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Naterade · #2 (**permalink**) 06-12-2008, 02:35 AM

So why would someone prefer to follow an ascended master, instead of a living master, other than that it is more desirable to the separate self? There is no valid reason for this. After all, a true teacher is nothing but an 'ascended master' that has not left the body yet. A true teacher has experienced the same 'next step' that an ascended master has - death.

The death experience is the final step in returning to Oneness with God, and attaining Universal Consciousness, and that is the major transformation that is vital. But after consciously experiencing death, living true teachers have just chosen to return to Earth to help, instead of taking the more pleasurable route of going on to a paradise plane with their enlightened brothers and sisters.

Another reason for having a living master instead of presuming to follow a dead one, is the personal attention and personal guidance that you get from a living true teacher. At best, going to channels or following an ascended master for your spiritual growth, would be like learning a complex new skill, like brain surgery, by a book or tape (and that's even IF the information you are getting is true and not from a faker, or a negative disincarnate entity). You can learn knowledge and facts through a book or tape, but to really master a skill, you need "hands on" interactive help from a teacher in the flesh. Having a real teacher in person, in the flesh, at some point in your learning, is invaluable to master a skill - even with minor skills, like golfing, scuba diving, gourmet cooking, etc., let alone something like spiritual enlightenment. The more important the skill, the more vital it is to have a teacher with you showing you the ropes, espeicially at final stages of learning. An inexperienced mountain climber in their right mind, wouldn't think of learning to climb Mount Everest without the help of an "ascended" mountain climber. Yet the most difficult and important skill in the world - achieving Oneness with God and learning to become a teacher - they can supposedly totally achieve with only books and spirit guides? No. In order learn and develop, we need to try applying what we've learned, then we need the criticism and feedback of a good teacher, in order to develop enough to master the skill. And attaining spiritual enlightenment, and breaking free from our programming and the bonds of the selfish separate self, is the greatest learning challenge you will ever have. Attempting it without a real living teacher giving you direct "in your face", inescapable, totally clear guidance and feedback, is like running around in circles chasing your tail. Or competing in the olympics without ever having a coach.

Getting "channeled information" is not much different than reading a spiritual book. It can help and inspire if it is true. But even if the information is actually 100% true, there is no criticism to the selfish separate self, no real feedback, no Unselfish Love to ignite your own, no example of manifesting the Universal Spirit, and no light to pierce the illusions and confusions "the darkness of self" throws up around you. How many times have you heard someone channel another being that was "getting on the channeler's own case" and telling them they'd better get their act together and change, or behave selflessly. Probably never. How many times has an ascended master really made anyone see and face all their real blocks that they were totally avoiding? You can't get away with anything with a real in the flesh true teacher. Even this text you are reading now, might help you, but it can only take you so far.

To summarize, the Inner Being of a living master, is the same Inner Being as any other master, ascended or not. Sure, there are subtle differences in the personalities and souls of true teachers, but the differences are insignificant, and do not provide a legitimate reason to avoid a living master in favor of an alleged ascended master. And they certainly don't replace the work that must be done with a living true teacher. Regardless of who has ascended, and who has not - the same Spirit of all the great saints and sages is ONE, eternally alive and manifesting through present day masters, NOW, in the present, always. And it has always been so. The Spirit is ONE. All Inner Beings are part of, and One with, the One Universal Spirit/Being. Don't Confuse the personalities that was actually a vehicle for the One Spirit. So they are really all the same, inside, where it counts. This is one reason why there are such similarities and connections between so many of the various spiritual traditions from all parts and times of this planet. This consciousness is within us all, and manifesting that Inner Being is a destiny we were all created to fulfill.

The ascended ones should only play a direct guidance role in your life AFTER you have achieved enlightenment. After you have completed your work with a loving master (your true teacher), and attained Universal Consciousness, you then follow the guidance of your Inner Voice, and Universal Will. After this attainment, you have a place in the cosmic order, and are connected with 'the hierarchy' (the vast order of ascended masters/angelic being who exist in interconnected ranks between us and the Source, the One). You are thus both guided by, and watched by the hierarchy. Beware of hearing voices or letting any being possess you to speak, That is not the way of the hierarchy. Who is the highest of consciousness in the hierarchy? When our order was founded, he was known in that life as grand master Thoth. The life in which he had greatest impact on the world, other than his first, was his last, known as Jesus. Although he had great effects, and would be known to you by other names from his other lives.

Something similar to following ascended masters, is “channeling”, or going to a channeler. For those of you who aren’t familiar with it, channeling is what occurs when a living person allows an “out-of-body”, disincarnate being or spirit guide, to possess the person’s body and mind, and provide information. The channeled information is generally given through speech, although it can be writing. When people channel, their goal is usually to channel higher consciousness disincarnate beings (ascended masters, spirit guides, etc.).

First let me say that truth is truth, wherever you find it. We should listen to wisdom whether it comes from a wise man or a fool. Or a channeler. And it can and does come from all the above. So if the information you have received from a channeler is positive, and true, give the wisdom the respect it deserves. With that in mind, let’s take a broad look at the limitations, and serious problems of channeling.

Channeling has become very popular, and I know that some of you reading this won’t want to hear about any problems with it. But the ancient teachings do point out some things that should be carefully considered. For one, when you reach a certain level of growth on your spiritual path, channeling is “outgrown”. And if you have an open mind, the common sense and truth revealed in the ancient teachings will shed new light on the entire field of channeling, allowing you to consider some new facts, and make up your own mind. So please hear me out with an open mind, and then decide.

The phenomenon that is called channeling can actually be several very different things:

Someone channeling an actual disincarnate being;
Someone believing they are actually channeling a disincarnate being, but they are actually channeling information from the Inner Being;
Someone believing they are actually channeling a disincarnate being, but they are actually channeling information from their subconscious mind;
Someone totally faking it.

Let’s start by looking at #2 and 3.

Some people really do channel disincarnate beings. Others just think they are channeling a higher consciousness being, but they are actually only accessing their own Inner Being. Now this isn’t necessarily bad, in fact, it can be safer and yield truer information than channeling a disincarnate being.

Here’s how it works. The channeler wants to and believes they are going to channel a disincarnate being, but for some reason this doesn’t really happen - yet they think it does. Instead, what really happens is their subconscious creates a guide or ascended master in their mind, in order to realize their desire to access higher information by channeling. But the information is really coming from the Inner Being, and/or their subconscious.
 For centuries, hypnotists have known about the incredible power of the mind to create the most elaborate stories and scenarios while in a trance. In fact, while some past life regressions are quite real, others are pure fabrications by the subconscious mind - down to details like the stitching in a suit. In part, this phenomenon works via the power of assumption, or power of belief, linked with a strong desire to please the hypnotist or therapist. You can also see this phenomenon at work in both ways with the use of an oracle, like a pendulum. For instance, when people believe a pendulum will give them answers from a higher source, it might, as long as they really believe it. It will even work for a skeptic, as long as the skeptic’s subconscious mind believes it. In any case, it’s not the pendulum itself that is doing it, it is the user’s belief that the pendulum does it, or is being guided, or gives them access, which actually gives them access. Yet oracles, and the type of channeling we are talking about right now, are in-between mediums - substitutes for being able to more directly, and more purely, get information from the Inner Being OR the subconscious. So, both the oracle user, and this certain type of channeler, use their beliefs in their methods, to access information from inside themselves - information that they don’t believe they have access to otherwise. Therein lies one of the problems. Using the methods can actually reinforce the belief and programming that the individual can’t access the information more directly. And that is a major spiritual limitation to place on yourself (this will be discussed more in a moment).

As we have established, the type of channeling we are discussing can access information from either the subconscious or the Inner Being. But it generally mixes the two. And therein lies another problem. You can get inaccurate information, that you believe is accurate. It can be partly true, but distorted by the subconscious mind’s programming. That’s because subconscious programming (& possible dark outside influences), can filter, distort, and even totally block out the true and accurate information coming from the Inner Being. I have heard good channeled information, but it wasn’t as good or clear as it could be, because of the consciousness of the person, and because of their subconscious programming. But there are times when it’s not just a matter of how good the information is. The subconscious and conscious beliefs of a person using an oracle or channeling, can seriously taint information, and cause a serious mis-guidance. And if serious life decisions are based on such channeled or divined mis-information, a person can make serious mistakes in life, that effect both themselves and others.

Using oracles and such is fine at a certain level of consciousness, a certain level of spiritual awareness and evolution. There are protections from on high for the novice who is sincere and has a good heart. A spiritual innocent is watched over by spiritual guardians, just as human adults watch over human children. But just like when a human child gets older, you expect them to be more aware and responsible about life, our hierarchical guardians expect the same of us as spiritual children. Thus, as you spiritually grow, you must become far more discrete and cautious. If you make a mistake at a higher level of consciousness, the consequences are much more serious. And the more aware a person is, the more serious will be the consequences of ignoring the things you are aware of. As you grow, as you become more aware, you are expected to behave differently. Again, using an example of a child, it is one thing to spin around until you’re dizzy, then drive a trike, but it’s another thing for a teenager to get drunk and drive a car. You are a spiritual adolescent right now.

Oracles are only 100% dependable in the hands of a true teacher, because a true teacher is clear, and because he will sense if the oracle is being tampered with by dark outside forces. Of course they can give anyone good, accurate, information. But you can never be certain of the accuracy unless you are enlightened. In fact, most oracles were invented by true teachers, for true teachers - they were never intended for those whose separate selves and subconscious selves and subconscious programming would confuse the answers.

Why would a true teacher use one since they are already enlightened? For a true teacher, an oracle is a quick and easy substantiation of their own Inner Voice - a sort of second opinion/double check system. But for an average person, who is not yet clear, an oracle can be confusing at times - usually when the separate self has something at stake. For instance, many times I have seen a person get such an incredibly clear and specific reading from the I Ching, that most people could not possibly mis-interpret it - yet the person is confused and mis-interprets anyway, because their separate self doesn’t really want the truth to be known. To give a personal example (authors, not mine), when I was avoiding finding my true teacher, but allegedly seeking my true teacher, I used the Ching to ask if I should speak to him, and if he was my true teacher. The Ching would come up with something like “Perseverance Furthers. To see the Great Man brings Good Fortune and Success”, yet I’d read that and say to myself ‘I don’t get it. What does this mean? What should I do?’ I got about fifty readings like that when I was trying to avoid finding my teacher. I kept asking because I was letting my selfish separate self pull the wool over my eyes, and so I figured that at some point the odds alone would make it give me the answer my selfish separate self wanted to hear. But I fooled myself into thinking I would just do it one more time just to be sure. When I was really looking for a way out. I was lucky that it wasn’t being influenced by dark forces, but I guess the environment I was in, and my destiny, sort of protected me against that. Also, the I Ching will stop you at some point, by actually giving you a reading that says that ‘there is no point in giving information to an impertinent fool, and that someone who keeps asking the same question over and over again is an impertinent fool’. Of course, that is a blatant example. But whatever your separate self is making you confused about, will usually not be remedied by information from an oracle or channel.