Celibacy or Tantra?

Fragments · #1 (**permalink**) 09-08-2007, 03:57 PM

Which approach do you think leads to greater spiritual growth?

Rossignol · #2 (**permalink**) 09-08-2007, 04:26 PM

I don't think one is better than the other. I remember a priest from this one church I used to visit who had a yellow aura (in my personal interpretations of auras, this means balanced, which is one of the highest states of being). On the other hand, Tantra may help with other personalities.

I think no matter what, people should be in tune with their bodies and not follow the mainstream idea of sex. People should find their own paths.

spiritzzz · #3 (**permalink**) 09-08-2007, 04:37 PM

well I was once celibate for a number of days only to wake up with my seed expelled in the night in a dream. What might that say . Now i am old and do not have that problem.

Doug

EnemyAtLineSix · #4 (**permalink**) 09-08-2007, 04:44 PM

stimulation of the organs there is reccomended, its a way of bringing extacy to yourself ,makes you feel better, kicks in your endorphins, celibacy is a way of suffering , fuck suffering lol

Rossignol · #5 (**permalink**) 09-08-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EnemyAtLineSix

stimulation of the organs there is reccomended, its a way of bringing extacy to yourself ,makes you feel better, kicks in your endorphins, celibacy is a way of suffering , fuck suffering lol

Some people might argue that they sacrifice a sexual union with another human in favor of union with God. If this is how they find their way to peace, then how is it suffering? Also, some people simply have no interest in sex, and that is valid. To each their own.

I personally think one does not need sex to live a healthy and fulfilling life. Sure it's nice, but not necessary. Sex does not complete a person.

spiritzzz · #6 (**permalink**) 09-08-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rossignol

Some people might argue that they sacrifice a sexual union with another human in favor of union with God. If this is how they find their way to peace, then how is it suffering? Also, some people simply have no interest in sex, and that is valid. To each their own.

I personally think one does not need sex to live a healthy and fulfilling life. Sure it's nice, but not necessary. Sex does not complete a person.

if priest in the U.S.A. are an indication of union with God we may be in trouble.

Doug

Fragments · #7 (**permalink**) 09-08-2007, 06:07 PM

Sometimes I wonder if both are irrelevant to spirituality, as long as moderation and morality are adhered to.

I really have no interest in sex though, and in my currenct stage in life I'm trying to decide whether or not to embrace complete celibacy or the possibility of Tantra. Sex and 'relationships' as protreyed by society just doesn't interest me.

EnemyAtLineSix · #8 (**permalink**) 09-08-2007, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rossignol

Some people might argue that they sacrifice a sexual union with another human in favor of union with God. If this is how they find their way to peace, then how is it suffering? Also, some people simply have no interest in sex, and that is valid. To each their own.

I personally think one does not need sex to live a healthy and fulfilling life. Sure it's nice, but not necessary. Sex does not complete a person.

its all relative, and subjective

hrishi · #9 (**permalink**) 09-08-2007, 11:35 PM

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spiritzzz · #10 (**permalink**) 09-09-2007, 07:21 AM

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this way or that,"ultimately" one Has to give up on Lust some day or other, to climb to higher happiness. there is no escape. this is not just by holy books or scripts, its simple logic, u dont want to be universal being with a feeling of LUST for others, ridiculous...

its a force tat pulls u down, its a down ward energy.sexuality is one step "towards" divinity,its a way thru and not the end of all. there are so many ways and approaches to One. its the individual who decides which one..

i donot know much about tantra,but celibacy sure is the right way to go about things and feel this is higher,it has more meaning, more understanding more wisdom than tantra, wat matters is knowledge , wat matters is removal of ignorance , and this is the right way.
celibacy is an intelligent decision one makes in expectation of something higher or superior, so its more direct than anything else i suppose.

Please excuse my crudeness but my experience is that many at the point of organism call out to God. I have often wondered if this could mean that at that particular moment there was not a closeness of some sort.

now I know not of the sexual experience of you who here write of this thing but unless you have a bit of experience with sex as lust as well as sex as love how in the world can you say what may be what and what is not? I do not mean to belittle anyone but I do get the feeling there is a possibility that the rules of society are bleeding into what you are writing. If sex was bad would God had made it feel so damn good????? On that point alone I rest my case.

Doug

EnemyAtLineSix · #11 (**permalink**) 09-09-2007, 09:26 AM

When the library of yourselves was torn from the shelves and scattered, and the DNA was split so that
there were only two strands left with very little data and very little memory, sexuality was left intact in
the physical body. It was left as a form of reproduction, of course-as a form for the species to stay in
touch with its own essence and bring itself into life. Very deep inside the mechanism of sexuality is a
frequency that can be attained that has been sought after and misunderstood by many people. It is called
orgasm.
The orgasm has been distorted from its original purpose. Your body has forgotten the cosmic orgasm of
which it is capable because society has taught you for thousands and thousands of years that sexuality is
bad. You have been taught this in order for you to be controlled and to keep you from seeking the
freedom available through sexuality. Sexuality connects you with a frequency of ecstasy, which
connects you back to your divine source and to information.
Sexuality has been given a bad name upon this planet, and that bad name is stored in your cellular
memory. This is not just from this lifetime; it is from thousands of years of misappropriation and
misuse. It is necessary for you to clear the negativity surrounding sexuality from this lifetime, as well as
to experience and examine how you utilize sexual energy and sexual expression in your
multidimensional selves.
The sexual parts of the body are avenues to pleasure that create frequencies that heal and stimulate the
body and potentially lead it to its higher spiritual self. Sexuality is so misunderstood on this planet that,
when it is exchanged between two persons, very seldom is there an intent to connect spirituality with it.
Sexuality invokes a spirituality that is free and that looks at itself as a creator. However, very seldom is
sexuality used as a bridge to take you to higher levels of consciousness.

EnemyAtLineSix · #12 (**permalink**) 09-09-2007, 09:27 AM

We have spoken with a number of individuals who have been utilizing light. Since finding the proper
partner in a monogamous situation, they have been able to achieve very high states of being. Monogamy
tends to work for most of you very well because of where you are vibrationally. When you have many
partners, you tend to be less than honest and to hide who you are: you share a little here, there, and
everywhere in scattering your seed. It is best to be with one person, but this does not mean the same
person forever. Be loyal, be open, and be sharing with the person you are working with, and go as far as
you can with them. If it happens to be your whole life, wonderful. If it doesn't, then when you come to a
place where you are no longer communicating and serving one another, and you feel the relationship is
not going to be able to make a leap, terminate the relationship and find another person who works with
your vibration.
When you work one-on-one intimately, you develop trust. Most of you have difficulty trusting
yourselves because you don't have a role model for trust. You can learn about trust in a relationship
because a relationship acts as a mirror for you, showing you what you cannot see from your own
viewpoint. It shows you yourself outside of yourself when you have open communication within
sexuality and deep intimacy, and when you are not using sexuality as a distraction for getting close.
Many of you have used sexuality as a distraction and a way to avoid intimacy rather than to develop it.
You begin to get energo and to look into one another's eves and to feel all hot and excited. Then, instead
of exploring each other intimately and spiritually, you shut down your feeling centers, put on your
armor, and have shallow, genital sex because it is too frightening and too intense to go the deeper route
of full body and full spiritual connection. Sometimes hot sex feels great and is wonderful. We are simply
saving that there is more. There is much more, and no one is keeping it from you except yourselves and
the beliefs and fear you have of letting down your boundaries and walls.
Many of the fears you have are based on what you have created for yourselves and what you have done
to others in your sexual life. Your sexual history affects every other portion of your soul, so all of your
soul's issues are broadcast loud and clear throughout your body. You don't want to look at this
sometimes because it is too painful, and you judge it because you think it is bad. Stop judging, and get
neutral about what you have done-no matter what you discover, no matter how heinous it seems, no
matter how difficult it seems, and no matter how much violation it involves. Understand that your
purpose has been to gather data and to understand your selves.
Sexuality is a frequency. It represents what was not taken away from you even though your history, your
memories, and your identity were removed and scattered. The way you were left intact with the ability
to discover who you were was through the sexual experience. Of course, you were never taught this. We
are going to do some church bashing here. So sorry for anyone who is a member of the churches. The
churches came about as organizations-businesses to control religion and spiritual development and to
create jobs, to create a hierarchy, and to create a club. Very few churches came about with the idea of
bringing information to people. You don't usually think of religion as something that keeps you
informed, do you? Any religion that brings information is a religion operating on the vibration of truth.

EnemyAtLineSix · #13 (**permalink**) 09-09-2007, 09:28 AM

Spiritual realms are places of existence that the human bodyis locked away from. Because sexuality was
an opportunity for human beings to regain their memory, or to connect with their spiritual selves and
spiritual creator, or to find an avenue to the spiritual realm that you are sealed off from, the churches
came about and promoted sexuality for procreation. They taught you that the only reason you had
sexuality was to produce little humans.
Sexuality was promoted as something very bad. Women were told that sexuality was something they
had to undergo to serve men and that they had no control over the birthing process. Women believed
this; hence, to this day, you believe in general that you have no control over that portion of your body.
You must realize that only you decide whether you are going to birth a child or not. This is not such a
complicated thing as you have been told. Decision and intention are what bring the experience to your
being. You can control whether you have a baby or not. If woman had had this ability for the last several
thousand years, and if she had been able to explore her sexual self without fear of having a child,
perhaps men and women would have discovered that they were much freer than they had been told they
were.
The discovery of the highest frequency of sexuality arises from the love experience. It has nothing to do
with relationships being either homosexual or heterosexual. It has to do with two human beings bringing
pleasure to one another in a way that opens frequencies of consciousness. You have bought many ideas
about what is proper and what is improper within sexual expression.
Love is the essence that is to be created in all relationships. If you love and honor someone, it doesn't
matter what your composition of density is. What matters is the love vibration and how you explore this
love, which ideally is gifted and coupled with the integration of the male and the female counterparts
that make the twin flame.
Ideally, sexuality is explored through feelings. The third and fourth chakras connect you to the
emotional and compassionate selves, which connect you to the spiritual self. The spiritual self is the part
of yourself that is multidimensional through which you exist in many forms simultaneously. It is vour
assignment and agreement and task to be aware of all these realities in the identity that you are. When
you are aware, you can time into the different frequencies, remember who you are, and change the
vibratory rate of this universe.
We love to talk about sexualitv because it is so mvsterious upon this planet. Certain mystery schools
have held some of the knowledge about the potential uses of sexuality in secrecy. You are
electromagnetic creatures, and when you come together physically with another human creature, you
bond your electromagnetic frequencies together. When your frequencies are attuned and joined by a love
frequency, incredible things can occur.
Thousands of years ago, when society had more of a matriarchal view in certain areas of the planet,
Goddess energy was coming through and working with certain individuals. The female understood her
power, her intuition, her feeling center, her connection, and her desire to create life. She also understood
that she never had to conceive a child if it was not her intention to do so.
In order for the patriarchal society to come full circle and prepare Earth for this shift in consciousness,
female energy needed to take a back seat. So female power, energy, and understanding of sexuality were
suppressed. In modern times the past two thousand years-it came to be upon the planet that women
believed they had no control over when they could have children, that sexuality was deemed bad and
disgusting, and that sex was taught to be performed only within the rights of marriages and so on. All of
this was a marketing program.
Some of the present-day marketing programs to create an even greater fear of sexuality and its
expression are the new diseases: AIDS, herpes, and all the other things. You read about these things in
your newspapers and become frightened of your own expression, frightened of your own intuition, and
frightened of your own joy. Do you understand?
Before DNA was rearranged, the way many people reached the higher realms and were able to climb the
ladders of themselves and reach into off-planet frequencies was by electrornagneticallv bonding through
love. They created a rocketship-like experience to propel them out into other systems of reality. This has
been one of the best-kept secrets upon the planet.

EnemyAtLineSix · #14 (**permalink**) 09-09-2007, 09:30 AM

Many we have spoken to have had absolutely profound experiences with their sexuality. We would like
to point out again that we are not making distinctions or judgments about who you happen to bond with
in a relationship, and we suggest that you give up that judgment as well. It is old programming. It does
not matter whether you bond with a member of the opposite sex or a member of your own sex. We are
talking about two humans coming together by physically joining themselves in whatever ways are
appropriate for them to join and create love, because they are sharing love. When integrity and love are
missing from a joining of human bodies, that is when human beings do not think well of their
experience. This can create all kinds of damaging results within the physical body.
You were left with the frequency of the orgasmic experience in sexuality so that you could remember
your higher identity. When this energy or history of yourself is revealed and you discover who you are,
you will unite many bodies of your personal multidimensional identity in your physical form. To receive
the full impact of the gridwork of your identity, let the twelve helixes fit in your body and allow the
light-encoded filaments to rearrange themselves. This process has to do with the mental body, which is
of course connected to the physical body. The emotional body, which is connected to the spiritual body,
is the body that everybody wants to skip. You say, "I want to evolve. I want a rapid acceleration, but I
do not want to go through the feeling center to do it."