Cults

TheRavenMother · #1 (**permalink**) 01-08-2008, 10:11 AM

DISCLAIMER
This post is very needful currently; there is a difference between teams and cults.
It is also not a post to criticise or point fingers at anyone, so those who feel attacked only have a chip on their shoulder, something to hide or are just very sensitive people who need to snap out of it.
This post is not here to spur off another argument at all; this is written out of my deepest concerns.
DISCLAIMER

As I have said in previous posts before, when it comes to spirituality beware of anyone who tries to turn it into a business. I have also said to you, beware of becoming unbalanced, because too much light and love can be as harmful as too much dark and hate; you need both, or you will go mad or become vulnerable without you knowing and it is almost as bad as living life like an ordinary human being – in the unknown slavery they are not aware they are in, day in and day out as their governments are run by the illuminati.

You may all very well disagree, but I have seen huge changes to this site and I fear for the people who are on it. Well, some of them in particular, especially old friends.
Peoples personalities have changed greatly and although they think it’s great, it has actually been all for the worse. I mean their everyday personalities and views about the world, not just their views in spirituality.

I am especially concerned since people are loosing their grip a little too much here. By that I mean, people used to say wonderful things and stick to them, and were changing the world for the better. Helping bring in a balance, and now its all one sided again, all unbalancing again and this is causing disharmony, even though they do talk a lot about love – I see it as hypocrisy, because… whilst you are defending your views or attacking another person for their opposing views – whether you are from the sources of truth or light, you are actually causing disharmony and chaos, and what for? To prove a point!
Your opinions are fine, but do not try and seem louder than everyone else and for a balanced life do not dig up old graves as the saying goes (for the foreigners who do not understand sayings, this means that you do not bring up old arguments) because then it will never be solved.

Please also keep in mind that if anyone tries to dominate you, take over completely, and make you feel you have to join them, or anything like this, whether you like the person or not – it isn’t a good sign. This is how people can quite easily become involved in cults without themselves seeing it, until it’s too late. Your personality starts to slowly change and most people notice it except for you – and you go on in your light blindly thinking that it’s because you’re full of so much more love than everyone else, when in fact you are more disillusioned than the rest of the sheep’s in society. As indigoes and light workers etc, we are not born to swap one Shepard for another, even if they are our best friend.

I know I have mentioned in the past about the banners, but I said also this was only a vision and I didn’t quite understand it – only I thought the banners might be different levels or divisions of knowledge and teams which will be separated for a long while because of whatever, and through the chaos they have to pull together, and combine into one. I never said it was gospel and 100% would happen, which some people here always misinterpret. I also mentioned kings and queens from the old world – (the old world to me is where I believe my soul was manifested, the original home – not your home perhaps, but it was my home) the kings and queens are called such because I didn’t know what else to describe them – but they really should have been called the great gurus as they were the highest ascended beings in the universe before the war which caused problems and slavery on earth. It is very confusing and I never once fooled anyone that I understood it, because I don’t – I only say what I see. So my banners do not have leaders – they have highly advanced teachers which will help people ONLY if they want that guidance but they are not forced or influenced into believing anything we say.
Anybody who tries to make you think that what they say is right – or try and make you come away from what is in your own heart, is to be avoided! I cannot stress that to you enough!
I’ve met many new people in here since the summer, and I have seen people who are from cults or at least act like they are from a cult with how strongly they express their opinions on some people – and some of my friends, as sweet as they be get sucked into that persons way of thinking, and either vanish completely from the spiritual community and their homes, or their personalities change so abruptly that I no longer know the person and its not for the better good.

Also I want to tell you that if anyone shows too much stress in giving their opinion and does so on a regular basis needs to be questioned – and although this sounds like I am hinting at a particular person I really am not. I am saying in general, as so many people stress and get hyped up lately that it is worrying. Not only does is disrupt their lives and the person they are attacking, but it sends of negatives vibes to the whole board, sets other peoples emotions running, and empaths become very ill!
It is not fair for them to leave IS because of a few, and it is only a few – people who voice their opinions far too loudly in a negative manner which solves no arguments at all and fuels old ones again.

The people caught doing this and even defending those people, really should be considered deeply and dealt with – no, not by fighting fire with fire, and not by solving the problem with love. But by simply letting their words go out of one ear and out of the other. Because if you think too deeply with those people they can screw you up without you realising too!

This is all I have to say on the matter!

Just beware; I do believe there is more than one cult on this board! Hence why I have been a lot quieter in recent weeks – I’m observing them and I know who they are! I know how they work, because when I was a early teen, I had problems and almost lost my self with a cult personally, and this is why I am so defensive for other people here, I am one of the rare people who escaped – not many people do escape from those people.

Satisfiction · #2 (**permalink**) 01-08-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRavenMother

Please keep in mind that if anyone tries to dominate you, take over completely, and make you feel you have to join them, or anything like this, whether you like the person or not – it isn’t a good sign. This is how people can quite easily become involved in cults without themselves seeing it, until it’s too late. Your personality starts to slowly change and most people notice it except for you – and you go on in your light blindly thinking that it’s because you’re full of so much more love than everyone else, when in fact you are more disillusioned than the rest of the sheep’s in society.

I'm quoting this again, because it is a great description of what goes on. Thank you Raven Mother for expressing it well

Also for more details on cults:
www.cultwatch.com
www.howcultswork.com

sshenry · #3 (**permalink**) 01-08-2008, 11:41 AM

Excellent information Raven, thank you

ZZ23 · #4 (**permalink**) 01-08-2008, 12:47 PM

I think i totally agrreee with this- This seems to be happening alot on IS - - - Not much can be said other wise-

CJ-

Elleke · #5 (**permalink**) 01-09-2008, 11:04 PM

It's happening a lotttt

It's quite a thingie to balance in do my thingie, and not get absorped by the cult energy.

I am allergic to that, and in the same time I attract it in my life.
Lot of opportunities to say no.

I think it's not a cult, when you do things from your passion, caus eyou like it.
It's getting a cult, as soon as you put energy in the organisation.
And yeah it's a big cult potential here with IS. It can be done clear, but there are many traps you can fall into. My guess is, that most people have good intentions, but cultenergy is lurking guys!

It has been quite a refreshing experience in my life ( and ofcourse many many times in past lives) to experience cult stuff, and especially to step out of it!
By following my passion, and do things for fun.

As soon as passion dissapears its a warning, and maybe yuou havent even sensed that it's gone.

Have a great journey all,

Greetings,a nd loveeeeeeee
Elleke

PsychoActiveSoul · #6 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 12:06 AM

the energy is there. There are a lot of people here who seek the basic answers to those questions. I can see how the question of existence could easily be turned into a tool of control / manipulation. sometimes I feel uncomfortable in my own spirituality because I can see how things can be manipulated. twisted to mean things they don't really mean.

The trick is to tell enough truth to be believed, and then twist logic to form truth into the desired reality. Tell just enough truth to really tap into spirituality. DOminate the victim with your presence to reduce mental capacity. simplify everything, and divide the world into people who are against you and those who are with you. serve as a sort of father figure. All this influenced by the presence of the cultist. domination. Not understood as some looming threat, ut more someone who directly taps into the realms of alpha male, and social organization instincts inherent in the individual.

scary stuff.

TheRavenMother · #7 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 05:22 PM

This threads needs one heck of a BUMP! lately!

TheRavenMother · #8 (**permalink**) 04-18-2008, 04:33 AM

Everything about me is good! bumps your bum*

sshenry · #9 (**permalink**) 04-18-2008, 05:42 AM

*looks around at all the bumps*

Gosh, it must be cold in here!

TheRavenMother · #10 (**permalink**) 04-27-2008, 08:39 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I47ziDYyKrk

TheRavenMother · #11 (**permalink**) 04-27-2008, 10:28 AM

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...=&pagewanted=2

TheRavenMother · #12 (**permalink**) 04-27-2008, 10:29 AM

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=126362830

TheRavenMother · #13 (**permalink**) 04-27-2008, 10:30 AM

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so..._mindcon13.htm

Quote:

If such a Scenario does not occur, a new global religion will replace existing religions as part of the New World Order. In a remote section of Colorado, in Crestone County, a compound has been established to create the new religion. Staffed by representatives of various religions - each group having their separate living quarters, other residents allegedly include rebirthers, a group of midwives known as "Emissaries of Light" and such religious celebrities as Baba Ji. Reptilians have purportedly been observed there and mind-control activities occur. The operation is reportedly under the control of billionaire and former British intelligence operative Maurice Strong and is allegedly Rockefeller funded.

TheRavenMother · #14 (**permalink**) 04-27-2008, 10:38 AM

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,24971,page=1

Roier · #15 (**permalink**) 04-27-2008, 10:39 AM

This one does fit here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmecRimTFV4

This one too is a funny cult series, hehehe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iI2e...x=0&playnext=1

TheRavenMother · #16 (**permalink**) 04-27-2008, 10:41 AM

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Sai Maa and her "group" based primarily in Crestone, CO have been successfully flying under the radar for some time. Although Satya Sai Baba--her Guru to whom she is very close---is monitored by several groups, Sai Maa (his number one pupil) has escaped.
So far.

Indeed, her message seems harmless enough. She preaches that in this world there is only fear and love, one destructive and the other constructive. But like many cult leaders, it is not her message that is dangerous, its the way in which she presents it.

For example, she preaches that she is Divine Shakti (female energy incarnate) and that hers is the only path to true Love. In fact, she IS Divine love and the only valid love is one's love of her. Granted, being as cunning as she is...she rarely says this outright. But I have personally witnessed her harshly chastise someone who came to see her when he questioned her approach.

Speaking of cunning, she does a very good job leading her sheep to the slaughter. Firstly, she chooses people that feel lesser, unfulfilled and alone. Or people with addictions. She targeted someone I know when his home life turned bad, encouraging him to move with her to Colorado. She called him her, "special child" and doted upon him in ways she knew he hadn't experienced before. Preying on weak and vulnerable people is no way for any respectable spiritual leader to operate. I have heard many people utter the words, "I was addicted to [insert substance here] but then I found Sai Maa!". She indoctrinates with percision, too. At one point she told the assembled, "Put your fingers over your eyes and press down on them. You will see bright colors and lights, that is the Divine Light spreading over you."

Clever, no? Of course you see splashes of light...you're PRESSING ON YOUR EYES. This is just one of the many examples of simple ways she misleads her flock in order to further their fervor.

She's also running a brilliant business! By indoctrinating people (especially independently wealthy ones) she gets them to buy her full line of Sai Maa products. Not just books or CDs or DvDs. Oh no. Blessed Water! For $18 per 20 ounce bottle! They apparently have sacred geometry written on the outside or something, and she reccommends drinking 2 quarts a day. Any idea how much water that is? Any idea how much PROFIT that is? Oh but add to this the meditation pillow covers (only $117!) and bottles of supplements (supposedly "concentrated Vacha and Brahmi&quot

with no nutritional or ingrediant information on them! Not only is that rididulous (she reccommends taking these "pills" three times a day) its illegal. I've already started a complaint with the FDA over this, but I'm not sure whats worse: that she charges so much for a whole lot of nothing or that people actually buy and INGEST things, simply trusting that they're okay for them.

She tells people that all proceeds go to charity (can you say fraud?), while she walks around with pounds of gold jewelry. She has people to wash her feet and draw her baths...houses, estates, you name it. She asked for a jacuzzi for her birthday from her followers. Now thats holiness, right there. How, exactly, are you supposed to convince people of your humility while you speed on the Autobon in a Mercedes?

I'm risking a lot in posting this. My boss is deeply embroiled in Sai Maa's...um...organization, and goes for what I like to call "reprogramming" on a semi-regular basis. When he gets back from these "intensive" excursions, his eyes take on a funny look and he loves everyone. He often says, "She taught me to get out of my head and into my heart." That is a scary, scary thing. She brainwashes people, for all intents and purposes. A co-worker of mine overheard someone who had gotten back from one of said intensive sessions saying, "The first day was really hard. She had us up all day and night, chanting in a dark room. There were a lot of times I thought I wouldn't make it through. But then the next day, it was fantastic. I felt euphoric in her love!" Does no one else see what she's doing? That she's breaking them down with sensory isolation so they will bend easier?

She needs to be monitored, and closely. Her methods are atrocious at best, and she is sucking people in to use them for her own purposes.

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,12556,page=2

TheRavenMother · #17 (**permalink**) 04-27-2008, 10:44 AM

hugs Roier (in a not cult like way, I love you) hehehe

defuzz · #18 (**permalink**) 04-27-2008, 10:50 AM

bluefireism? not one hit in google
it made me think of similar sounding new age phenomona dubbed blue-rayism which apparently doesn't hit anything in google either.
it defines certain wishy-washy, airy-fairy channeling mediums lacking spiritual depth who brightly convey mushy romantic foretelling imagery, this will seem useless and brown ray to many.

source; muz murray, Sharing the quest

TheRavenMother · #19 (**permalink**) 04-27-2008, 10:56 AM

cults are like vampires... their strength is that no one believes or knows they exist.

What makes you think they still go by the name Bluefire? What makes peopel think they might still only be on those chatrooms and forums still? Think beyond the box.