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dont you think its time to write a proposal to the government and then walk down the road to the post box?

youve filled thirteen bloody pages on here so far...
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dont you think its time to write a proposal to the government and then walk down the road to the post box?

youve filled thirteen bloody pages on here so far...
Hahaha PJ I appreciate that more than you realize..

What we are doing right here right now has FAR more efffect on calling attention to the problem than taking it to the government(s) to solve. Here in the States your letter would be filed for an indeterminant amount of time and then referred to a "Department" Bureaucrat. From there it MIGHT get sent for review to a Policies And Procedures Comittee and if it REALLY scared them with the very real tale of Impending Global Toxicity a NEW Holy Bureaucracy would spring up to deal with it. FUNDING for that bureaucracy would take at least two years.. From the time your letter was posted to the first effort at gathering plastic for Indigo Isand or any governmental conservation effort, it would likely be the year 2014.

I know the subject becomes tiresome after a while. but this thread has had over 4,500 hits.. SOME of those folks cause things to happen be they government, media or just concerned conservationists.. SO if the subject matter deserves an updating "bump" .... Hey, I am willing.

Just watching how this problem LOOMS into our future and HOW (if) we deal with it, has already got my curiosity aroused. If we keep the updates relevant and not boring, there may be enough material here for a TV documentary. If enough people see that, conciousness is raised.

I sense your frustration PJ We've gone far astray of the original Indigo Island concept. The fun is not gone, it's just taking a different priority. Like learning to swim before surfing.

We, as stewards and caretakers of this planet - have shit our pants. The wind is changing. Soon it will be noticed. Soon.


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Hey FreeSpeak, We get plenny da kine fishermens out on da islands. Dey need fo sometin' to do, cause no mo fish ya. Come up wit da funds and I'm sure you can find da help.

I was just thinking, if we drug a net counter to the current we could have the ocean collect it for us.
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Lavella, is salmon seriously ending up gone?

This reminds me of the quote, only when the last river has run dry, the last tree has been burnt down and the last fish has been poisoned will we realise we cannot eat money.

I didnt realise i would be the guy living through that!
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Lavella, is salmon seriously ending up gone?

This reminds me of the quote, only when the last river has run dry, the last tree has been burnt down and the last fish has been poisoned will we realise we cannot eat money.

I didnt realise i would be the guy living through that!

This may or may not relate, PsuedoJudo........ but there have been at least two huge waves of starfish die-offs near Kent, England.. A few days apart, thousands upon thousands of dead starfish have been washing up on the beaches....

It is a world away from the Pacific Gyre BUT in the end, everything is everything.

If Zen O has it right, fishing around Hawaii, ain't. You can't. Nothing there. On the Northeast end of the gyre the salmon aren't worth fishing. That means there are gonna be a bunch of hungry, pissed-off bears in that part of the world and they ALREADY are a problem.

Here in America the monster farming operations that USED to supply the Bread Basket of the world with wheat for flour.... are growing GM Corn to be used as fuel in cars and trucks. It NOW costs $1,000 to fill a truck with diesel in the states.. that has shut down most independent operators.

Meanwhile the GM Corn remains inedible. Animals won't touch it. It has it's own Genetically Modified insecticide and I suspect it to be the real problem killing the honeybees. Any hint of that story will be immediately suppressed by Monsanto.

Meanwhile, the world begins to worry about enough flour to make bread. There ain't. We used to be able to buy a small sack of flour for one dollar. Now it is $4.00. Part of that is economic, part supply/demand.

Yes indeed, your generation is emerging into The Lie that has been created by greed - over money that has no value. Your generation is emerging into a reality that is essentially, False.

I don't want to over-dramatize the situation so I will present this as an understatement;

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Hey i can make a gauss gun and ive been fasting for years, its not like ive got much left to fear!

Bring on the famine and anarchy, its time to taste the other'other' white meat!

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♥ Oh Hell Yes - Why Didn't I Think Of That - More Death...

I can dig it PS and it may be coming to that near the turn of the centrury, where Long Pig becomes a staple and where the hunter becomes The Prey.

Still in all, the way WE THINK AND REASON is focused on DEATH rather than LIFE ro feed The Lie. Until that changes, the black hole we are falling into will be simply, the reflection of our appetites. Fewr salmon? Rather than investigate THE CAUSE of fewer salmon, we now eliminate the competition.
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By Teresa Carson

PORTLAND, Oregon (Reuters) - Washington and Oregon can start killing sea lions that feed on migrating salmon to help preserve dwindling U.S. Pacific Northwest salmon populations, a federal agency said on Tuesday.

The National Marine Fisheries Service granted permission to the states to target as many as 85 sea lions a year near the Bonneville Dam on the Columbia River. Oregon's Department of Fish and Wildlife said removal will start after April 1.

Salmon-gobbling pinnipeds have been a problem in West Coast waters for over a decade and at Bonneville Dam for about five years. About 100 California sea lions make the 150-mile (240-km) trip upriver to feast on spawning salmon channeling into the dam's fish ladders, according to Oregon.

Authorities have tried to deter the sea lions by installing physical barriers and driving them off with rubber bullets, firecrackers and other noise-makers with little success.

Only sea lions seen gobbling salmon during between January 1 and May 31 can be killed, according to the order. Before sea lions are killed, they must be trapped and held for 48 hours while fisheries managers try to find them a home at a zoo or aquarium.

There is a provision, however, that allows sea lions to be shot in the water if the animals are not easily captured. The decision raised the ire of one animal protection group.

"This is a waste of money, time and lives and diverts attention from the real problems the fish face," Sharon Young, marine issues field director for The Humane Society of the United States said. The HSUS supports "non-lethal harassment" of sea lions at Bonneville Dam.

The decision comes just in time for the peak of the spring salmon run in April and May. Washington, Oregon and Idaho were required to ask permission because the sea lions are protected under the Marine Mammal Protection Act.

A male sea lion, which can reach 1,000 pounds (454 kg), consumes about 30 pounds (13.6 kg) or five to seven fish a day. The National Marine Fisheries Service estimates that the sea lions ate nearly 4,000 salmon last year, which accounted for about 5 percent of the spring salmon run.

About one-third of the salmon eaten are endangered, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

State and federal governments have spent billions trying to protect the once abundant fish and fishery managers have also proposed a virtual shutdown of salmon fishing this year in California and Oregon coastal waters.

(Editing by Daisuke Wakabayashi and Eric Walsh)
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Ha ha, "its time to taste the other'other' white meat!" I remember when some Hawaiians caught flack for marketing a t-shirt that said, "Haole, the other white meat".

I don't know, I have not heard such grim tales out on Hawaii. but I have been gone for a few months. Last I heard the gyre was still 1000 miles north of the islands, Though we probably get a little extra drift during storms. And though the fisheries are depleted, It is not like there was nothing left. Some groups are working to restore the ancient fish ponds, http://ksdl.ksbe.edu/heeia/pages/history.html# Though more local control and less governmental interference would help in getting the ponds fully functional again. It's an ancient technology many other cultures could adopt and benefit from.

And heck, with all these people eating all the salmon, perhaps we should declare open season on them. Come here, fish breath!
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I am doing a direct cut/paste from RENSE.COM
There are many OTHER interesting articles there as well.

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10 Million TONS Of Trash
Floating In Pacific
By Frosty Wooldridge
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If you should see this amazing floating pile of plastic in the Pacific Ocean, it's called "The Great Pacific Garbage Patch." It features three million tons of plastic debris floating in an area larger than Texas. An eye-popping 46,000 pieces of plastic float on every square mile of ocean! Humans toss another 2.5 million pieces into our oceans hourly.

Captain Paul Watson, www.seashepard.org, composed an essay, "The Plastic Sea." He wrote a penetrating piece on humanity's desecration of our oceans. If you ever see this plastic 'monster' as I have, it will sicken you to the core of your soul. But the terror it manifests sickens you further!

"On the beach on San Juan Island, Washington, Allison Lance walks her dogs every morning," Watson said. "She carries a plastic bag in her hand to carry the bits and pieces of plastic debris she picks up. Each morning she fills the bag, but by the next morning there is always another bag to be filled. Joey Racano does the same in Huntington Beach further south in California. The harvest of plastic waste is never-ending. Allison's and Joey's beaches, and practically every beach around the world is similarly cursed.

"Recently in the Galapagos I retrieved plastic motor oil bottles and garbage bags from a remote beach on Santa Cruz island. Every year during crossings of the Pacific, Atlantic and Indian Oceans, spotting plastic is a daily and regular occurrence."

Let me repeat this: the United Nations Environmental Program report estimated 46,000 pieces of plastic debris floats on or near the surface of every square mile of ocean.

"We live in a plastic convenience culture; every human being on this planet uses plastic materials directly and indirectly every single day," Watson said. "Our babies begin life on Earth by using some 210 million pounds of plastic diaper liners each year; we give them plastic milk bottles, plastic toys, and buy their food in plastic jars.

"Every year we eat and drink from some thirty-four billion newly manufactured bottles and containers. We patronize fast food restaurants and buy products that consume another fourteen billion pounds of plastic. In total, our societies produce an estimated sixty billion tons of plastic material every year.

"Each of us on average uses 190 pounds of plastic annually: bottled water, fast food packaging, furniture, syringes, computers and computer diskettes, packing materials, garbage bags and so much more. When you consider that this plastic does not biodegrade and remains in our ecosystems permanently, we are looking at an incredibly high volume of accumulated plastic trash that has been built up since the mid-twentieth century."

You may ask, "Where does it go?" The answer grows uglier every day: the ground, air and into our oceans!

All the plastic that has ever been produced has been buried in landfills, incinerated, and dumped into lakes, rivers, and oceans. When incinerated, the plastics disperse non-biodegradable pollutants, much of which inevitably find their way into marine ecosystems as microscopic particles.

"Back in 1991, my ship, the Sea Shepherd, was anchored in the harbor of Port of Spain, Trinidad," Captain Watson said. "A few hours later, the entire surface area of the harbor was dirty white, as if an ice floe had entered this tropical port. The "floe" consisted of Styrofoam, plastic bottles, and assorted plastic materials, as far as the eye could see, and it had come down from the streets, gutters, and streams into the harbor. And, of course, it was all washing out to sea, dispersed by wind and tide.

"What happened to it after that? The sun and the brine broke it down into little pellets of Styrofoam and little pieces of plastic - each an insidious, floating, deadly mine set adrift in an ocean of life.

"And over the years these little nodules have drifted. Many have been ingested by birds and fish. Weeks or months later, their victims decompose on the surface of the water or on a beach, re-exposing the nodules to the light of the sun, to be blown by the winds back into the sea. These vicious little inorganic parasites continue to maim and kill in an endless assault upon life in our oceans."

The simple fact is that when you drop a Styrofoam cup onto the street, you're causing more damage than you would by dropping a stick of dynamite into the ocean. You set in motion an invasion of thousands of killer plastibots that will cause death and destruction for centuries to come.

"Eighteen billion of those disposable diapers end up in the oceans each year," Watson said. "Americans alone toss 2.5 million plastic bottles into the sea every hour. There is no place in the oceans where a fine trawl will not reveal plastic nodules. Studies by Captain Charles Moore and the Algalita Foundation found that even in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, plastic nodules have been found to outweigh plankton by a ratio of six to one."

In the movie "Castaway," Tom Hanks, marooned on a desert island in the South Pacific, finds a plastic siding of a portable outhouse washed up on the beach. The stuff floats everywhere. Watson found plastic bottles with Japanese, Chinese, Russian, and English writing littering the beaches of even the most remote Aleutian Islands.

"Drifting in our seas are tens of thousands of miles of monofilament ghost drift nets and lines," Watson said. "This same netting ensnares ship props and the necks of sea lions and turtles. Over the years, my crews have retrieved hundreds of floating monofilament nets from the sea. All of them contained the rotting corpses of fish and birds.

"In a well-documented beach clean-up in Orange County, California, volunteers collected 106 million items, weighing thirteen tons. The debris included preproduction plastic pellets, foamed plastics, and hard plastics; plastic constituted 99 percent of the total material collected. The most abundant item found on the beaches of Orange County was preproduction plastic pellets, most of which originated from transport losses. Approximately one quadrillion of these pellets, or 60 billion pounds, are annually manufactured in the United States alone. You never hear about these spillages in the newspaper, and there is not a single plastic pellet spillage response crew anywhere in the world."

Watson continued, "Oil spills occur every day in our oceans, and major spills occur on average every two weeks somewhere in the world's marine ecosystem. Although these oil spills are notorious killers of marine wildlife, their deadly impact is confined to relatively small areas geographically, and the impact is reduced with time. The Exxon Valdez spill, for example, was confined to Alaska's Prince William Sound, and although the impact on wildlife was felt for many years, the ecosystem recovered. Yet this other kind of petrochemical spill is more invasive and permanent.

"I don't think that I am exaggerating when I say that the spillage of plastic resin pellets poses a significant and unappreciated threat to survival of sea life. The oceans are becoming plasticized. The impact of this spillage contributes to more casualties than all of the world's annual oil spills, yet we know very little about the problem."

Captain Watson added, "Of 312 species of seabirds, some 111 species, or 36 percent, are known to mistakenly ingest plastic. In Hawaii, sixteen of the eighteen resident seabird species are plastic ingestors, and 70 percent of this ingestion is of floating plastic resin pellets. Seabirds in Alaska have been found to have stomachs entirely filled with indigestible plastic. Penguins on South African beaches have suffered high chick mortality from eating plastic regurgitated by the parents, and 90 percent of blue petrel chicks examined on South Africa's remote Marion Island had plastic particles in their stomachs."

We face a global problem, and for seabirds no safe places exist. For most people, the ocean provides a virtual toilet. Unfortunately, nothing flushes away; it circulates forever.

"The oceans pulsate with powerful currents, and these currents keep plastic debris in constant circulation," Watson said. "As a result, debris travels in what are called "gyres." The gyre concentrates the garbage in areas where currents meet. For example, one of the largest of these movements in the Atlantic is called the central gyre, and it moves in a clockwise circular pattern driven by the Gulf Stream. The central gyre concentrates heavily in the northern Sargasso Sea, a place that is also host to numerous spawning fish species.

"Birds, turtles, and fish mistake the tiny nodules for fish eggs. Garbage bags, plastic soda rings, and Styrofoam particles are regularly eaten by sea turtles. A floating garbage bag looks like a jellyfish to a turtle. The plastic clogs the turtles' intestines, robbing the animals of vital nutrients, and it has been the cause of untold turtle losses to starvation. All seven of the world's sea turtle species suffer mortality from both plastic ingestion and plastic entanglement. One turtle found dead off Hawaii carried over 1,000 pieces of plastic in its stomach and intestines. Another could not submerge from so much Styrofoam in its stomach."

Unending amounts of plastic pellets wash onto beaches worldwide. In New Zealand, one beach was found to contain over 100,000 pellets per square meter. Thus, it is not so farfetched to suggest that people are in fact sunbathing on plastic beaches - literally.

"I have stopped my ship in mid-ocean and found flip-flops, suntan oil bottles, plastic Coke bottles, garbage bags, and even large floating industrial plastic sheets. In each place sampled, we have also found plastic pellets," Watson said. "Once, on the bottom of the Mediterranean off France, I witnessed a scene that appalled me. The entire bottom was made of plastic. Bottles and plastic bags swaying with the tide, replacing the sea grasses and algae. It was sad to see one little fish scurry from behind a white plastic bag to take cover from me in a sunken automobile tire.

"Brushing aside another drifting white bag, I spied a flicker of red on the bottom. What I found was a plastic face staring up at me with a great big smile and two enormous plastic ears. It was the decapitated head of a Mickey Mouse doll."

What can we do to change this destruction of our natural world? We need an incentive driven, 10-20 cent deposit/return on all plastics sold anywhere in the world to ensure return. Such an economic incentive will make certain that all plastic will be returned either by the customer or an army of kids picking up plastic trash for money. Simple, easy and effective!

How can you take action:

www.plasticrecycling.com;
www.greenerchoices.org;
www.seashepard.org;
www.peopleinaction.com

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Geoge turned the White House Easter egg roll into a push for Ocean Conservation. The best I can understand from the read other than cleanliness - is that George wants to somehow save the waves??????

From breaking???????

The whole thing turned into a social event - and probably a new Bureaucracy.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_New...ervation/9177/

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♥ A Wave - Powered Boat?

There is HUGE power in waves. There was an experimental device a few years back that anchors to the ocean bottom, rises and settles with the tide but MOST IMPORTANTLY is connected to FLOATATION DEVICES [like the brownie squares floating all over the gyre that haven't been compressed yet]. They have the lifting power of HUNDREDS of pounds and if allowed to stretch and relax a spring-loaded ratchet system, they could initiate MUCH horsepower and torque!

The application COULD be used to help power indigo island yes - but there is ANOTHER use for those heavy waves that weigh many tons EACH and are MOVING.... A wave-powered boat!

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Welcome TheRavenMother ! I bet you meant to land in the Island Dreams! Great place. Here, we are barely afloat and not ready party but you betcha - a foot rub is the least we can do to welcome you.. I use coconut oil if that's OK.

Gerald sent a message over looking for "The Lady With The Smiling Eyes" is that you? I haven't seen the hunting dogs but Gerald is great with them, I know. Tell him "Hi from Indigo Island" when you get there. Come visit again!

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DO here? Mostly we sit here staring at this mountain range of plastic and wonder how to scoop it together so we can build an island on it. So far, we figure there is emough for a floating island the size of Manhattan, a huge, floating plastic iceberg.

We're like everyone else -- it is too big a job for even 100 of us. We don't even know where to start.

So that's what we do... just sit around and dream, like on your island..

Hey - tell Gerald not to eat the dogs.... he may not know.

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