Several folks on IS are dreaming of a place where Indigo folks can gather and live -- a commune, if you would. The most likely scenario is a farm somewhere BUT that calls for a gathering of "strange" people within a social structure (government) that is already based on control - and must inevitably fail. NOT Indigo-friendly.

So here we go with a most absurd proposal - Indigo Island. Before you say "Oh, sure" please READ this link. It is from a little research I did regarding the string started by Zen called "Affinity For Islands".

Read, chew and consider WHAT IS POSSIBLE - and yes, unlikely.

http://ecoble.com/2007/11/18/250000-...land-paradise/
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Fascinating, eh?

How does this relate to the concept of Indigo Island? Obviously with enough bottles and bamboo you could build an island of ANY size. But bamboo eventually degrades - even in salt water. Storms and hurricanes can wreak havoc - and did - on such a fragile structure.

Off the coast of California and particularly in the middle of the Pacific there are places where the ocean currents meet and form what is called a GYRE... a swirling collection of anything that floats. There are six of them off the California coast and they are full of plastic... Styrofoam, fishing line, insulation, shopping bags and God-knows what. Scientists say it will never go away.

It is trash. It is also a resource. It is floating stuff that can be used to build an island. Indigo Island. Read more....... please.

http://www.montereycountyweekly.com/...er_story/print
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This stuff will float forever poisoning fish and birds. Blocking sunlight from the ocean beds of oysters amd seaweed.... unless someone does something.

WHAT IS POSIBLE

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Styrofoam has a melting point of approximately 250 degrees. All this plastic COULD be skimmed up, pressed together and MELDED with parabolic mirrors reflecting solar energy. MELDING is not melting. Melding softens the material and makes it stick together. This mess in the ocean contains its own reinforcement. Fishing lines, strips of wood and fiberglass, clumps of oil, plastic bottles, panty hose. When you press somethinng like that together into a large BRICK - say 2 feet by four feet - you have a manageble floating, structurally solid, building material. Stack an acre of those building blocks together - say 40 feet high and 1 acre in area and you have the beginning of Indigo Island. One more or less impervious to storms... and even tidal waves.

Chew. Read.

http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Moo...ntral-Gyre.htm
http://www.vincentcorp.com/applications/issue171.html
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This stuff is such a huge industrial problem that there are companies that would probably GIVE you the stuff... PLUS a couple of fat grants for food for the crew.

Ok ... ready for the resource?

The Pacific Gyre of styrofoam debris at this point? It's twice the size of Texas. If you gathered it all together, it could make Indigo Island probably the size of Manhattan.

It could be its own independant, self - governing, soverign community

Here - have a dream. They're free.


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Ooooooooo I like! I wanna do that!

Kinda reminds me of the movie " The Beach" with leonardo dicaprio where they follow a map to an unmapped island and find that there is a small society of people living there. Great movie btw Follow me to see

Dood thats the fatest idea.

After 2012, If you get a boat and a net ill come and help you build, depending on what happens.

my mate said he always wanted to live on an island too.

As always the first part is money... but ya know, money for something like this - industrial grants, connections through maybe Greenpeace - whatever.. the money part MIGHT just be the easiest part of the whole thing.

Still dreaming

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I was pondering, maybe get some land first to test the waters, hehe.

On present Earth, 100 thousand dollars can get decent land somewhere.

My earth math is not the best, but I think 500 people 2 thousand dollars US each,gets 100 grand, if not correct me ,I cant find a calculator.

Then Tent it until things get built.

Well something like that.

Unless some one, wants to man up and by the land outright, and then the 500 could fix them up.

and then if we wanted to maybe test 2 places like that 4000 grand each, heheh.

One in Australia and One in America, mmm

But where would the 500 yummy people come to be? maybe its on the new earth? this yummy dream for me. when one no longer needs money for particular necesasitys.

Dreaming Love

"Come Sail Away" by Styx just cued up on iTunes while I am typing this.... Serendioity/Circumstance/Godspeak.

Avast ye landlubbers. Imagine a bunch of individuals in their personal boats of many sizes..... Look what has already happened in Sausalito, California.

I say mateys..... drift to the dream, detach from the land and those madmen who live by telling others how to live. That much floating plastic is a monstrous resource, available for the gathering. Not only will it float, IT IS FUEL. It was once oil. Operationally, it might even sustain itself as an alternate form of fuel in place of solar energy.

This can be anyone's dream. There can be MANY such projects that can learn from each other and maybe some day, come together. The United Floating States of The Pacific.

Hahahhaah. Try to find a Head Of State in a Funcional Anarchy of floating islands. It's like herding cats - to quote Bruce Frank,

This can be anybody's dream. Those that dream it will find each other.


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Thats so amazing!!! Amazing beautiful dolphins..lol I cant help but comment on the peaceful energies that are flowing..

Love you all and Happy thanksgiving tomorrow

flow floooww freespeak you rock

you can come visit my floating houseboat island anytime

I Like very much this ideas!

i could suggest to think practical.

2012 somebody mentioned...to wait until
BUt to wait what?
Then somebody sayi 2012...then no money needed...

I ask really?
what makes a difference, to start do something now, and if 2012 all blows up, then we just did loose a dream, but any way we did something toghether, and i find that the moest important think

regards money, money is not the problem: for exacmple another calculation.

We say each of us save 10 USD every moon, we have 13 moons every ear. in 4 years you will save:

10x13x4=520

if 500 people doit we will get: 260 000 USD
at the end of the four year which means already 2012


10USD monthly might not be a terrible complex problem, if you have workinng permit (or even, if you dont)

so, how goes the idea on?

wow i really like that idea traveler

i know its the easiest for some, but if everyone set aside a little bit every whenever...

youve inspired me im gonna start doing it

It is anybody's dream - it really belongs to those who make it come true.

For my part I envision a large part of Indigo Island as an industry... straining plastic out of seawater, compressing it into large blocks, tying those blocks together and building a huge, massive floating foundation for almost any kind of structure on the top pf it. Styrofoam blocks very high - forty feet - with stairsteps cut into it down to the water with boat slips and fishing docks. It would be high enough out of the water for protection from even tidal waves but whatever were added to the top would sink it down some into the ocean. It might even require ballast or an anchor.

MORE DREAM: No money on Indigo Island. Hugs, handshakes, barter and trade. No IOU's on the island. If you can't remember you owe me a little, forget it. Money would be necessary for dealing with the mainland stuff but the na$ty $tuff should be left on the mainland in a bank somewhere and NO CASH on the island. Poisons a society.

As far as RAISING MONEY for the project, I would bet that we have enough writers right here on IS that could apply for GRANTS GRANTS GRANTS from petroleum companies (who have GOT to be embarrased by all their products destroying the oceans) to cruise lines who are adding to the trash..... VERY embarrasing.

Actually a "blanket" grant application could be created by a few of us, posted here on IS, mailed with picture or say, a sample of what is floating around out there to each of the companies and manufacturers who are contributing their trash, unknowingly. Imagine a Coke bottle covered in barnacles accompanying a grant application to Coca-Cola.

BEFORE any of this would happen, Indigo Island would need some mainland connections. I realize this seems scammish but because of confidentiality laws in Nevada - I would recommend a bank and office in Las Vegas or elsewhere in Nevada. FIRST an office (Post Office Box) a Board of Directors (a networked group here on IS), Legal Incorporation and a 501(c)(3) non-profit identity would need to be established. AFTER THAT all funding would come from outside the organization. Thje big bite? Legal fees and even THAT might be donated or volunteered.

Perhaps this could really bring together the Indigo Society. Maybe we'll get some opinion from Daniel Fischer, Prometheus, Zen and others. For that matter Indigo Island could form its ow legal entity. But a dream is a contagious thing and I bet these guys are already thinking.

MEDIA ATTENTION to this would probably be monstrous. As huge as the Gyre itself. On a global basis, this is the other elephant in the living room. NOBODY wants to talk about this. It's too huge. It's too ugly. Definately a compost pile for grant$.

Whoever does something RESPONSIBLE about it is gonna be a hero.

It is anybody's dream.


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FreeSpeak, I love your passion and your ideas are really getting me thinking...

But does anyone else see the humour in setting up a bank and office for a floating island in Nevada?

Freespeak you always have the most trippy pics in your comments. Its great

THANKS all you guys for the comments. Actually YOU are the inspiration for all this.. I'm like a G00gle program gathering all your thoghts and connecting them into what is possible.

The Vegas connection has to do with the saying "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas". It's for real. The Feds, IRS (and others) are walking all over what used to be privacy ethics in business. If there is money there, they want it. It is so bad that the US Army is trying to make wounded soldiers REFUND their signup bonuses because they can't fight. That should tell ya something about the falling dollar.

In Vegas, privacy is paramount all the way up to the corprate level. Therefore a non-profit has a better chance of staying intact. Actually, an off-shore corporation out of the Carribean might even work better - it's just that grants are easy ro squeeze from US sources if you are a US entity.

This can be anybody's dream. We just need to get there before Donald Trump.

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ALoha Ron, Bruce and all,

I am living on the "Indigo Island", aka, Hawaii/The Big IsIand/Mu/Kawikii/the land of Pele.

Such flotation devices are being looked at, as a way to float our Bay Front Buildings, as the ocean rise, from Global Warming

The indigo is bright in our Rainbow. We have many "Indigo Children" here.
Look into your Na'au [gut feelings] and you will see.

Thanksgiving starts the Makahiki Season, the time of Malahie [Peace] and Loki'i [Unity]. A time Mahalo [Graditude]

Aloha, Kana Dan Covington
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Lillies1976 is there, too.



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I know that because of climate change some inhabited islands might actual disappear. We could build these islands for these people to utilise.

dreaming rules!!

Here is an example of the lifting power of styrofoam. The more MELDED it is, the stronnger it is. The more LOOSELY COMPACTED it is, the more air it contains. The more air, the bigger the lift.

This is a melded take-out container like you might get from a restaurant. Imagine how many of these are floating around in that Pacific Gyre.

Same as any ocean-going ship or other craft - fire. A fire on Indigo Island would be absolutely devastating. The whole island could dissapear right down to the water line, in an hour. This would be the most primary problem to solve IN ADVANCE.


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Indigo Island would be made from large bricks of styrofoam salvaged from the Gyre and snatched from the jaws of fish and birds if necessary, who are about to poison themselves thinking it is food. Other than being naturally toxic, styrofoam and plastic is wonderful stuff. Perfect insulation against heat or cold. Easy to work with, can be cut and shaped with a hot wire, a long bread blade or a chain saw.

One suggestion came from my son, that Indigo Island be made in one acre octagonal shapes. It would look like a honeycomb from space. Each acre would be individually owned and should the inhabitants of that acre so choose, they could disconnect from the rest of the island and go their own way.

FIRE woiuld be the greatest threat to Indigo Island, Putting it out QUICKLY would be absolutely necessary. PREVENTING a fire would be a far better option. Here in the Southwest and western states, ADOBE is made from straw amd mud. The bricks are heavy but they work well. They are much smaller than styrofoam bricks that I propose for Indigo Island. But there, a lesson can be learned. Adobe structures here are covered in STUCCO - a type of concrete that can be mixed, spread and even sprayed on as a mud. In swimming pool construction they call it GUNNITE. It's about an inch thick, clings to anything, dries to about 40% of its applied weight --- and is fireproof.

The reason I suggested Indigo Island be 40 feet tall is so that an entire ECOSYSTEM can be built on top. A vegetable farm. Fresh water cisterns gathering rainwater, down - 15-20 feet INSIDE the island. The heavier the island is, the deeper it sinks, the more STABLE the structure would be.. Even in storms with 20' waves the water UNDER the island would not be so active. AVERAGE wave height in that part of the Pacific are estimated as between 8 inches and seven feet. There could be monsters in storms or tidal waves.

If the whole thing were coated in STUCCO a fire could be easily controlled. it woud also add mass and weight for stability.

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INCREDIBLE strides are being made in solar energy.


Thirty cents per watt. That is cheaper than coal AND it might double in sheets as a passive heat collector for water heating!
Additionally, sheets of this stuff can gather rainwater like a tarpaulin! Read more about it here;

http://www.celsias.com/2007/11/23/na...per-than-coal/

Please add your comments, observations and ideas - it is anybody's dream but be aware it is contagious and once you start dreaming about it, it is hard to stop.

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Look at it this way - each idea that we toss around here is now a part of our thinking - even if we can't physically create wonders like this now - we can offer the solutions to others when things get "bad".

Excellent island, Free!