Shaministic Visions?

I hope I don't get banned/kicked/flamed for sharing this, as I don't know this group's views on shamanism or the use of hallucinogens/enthogens. But I'll take the risk to share what has been revealed to me. I add, however, that I am still strugglig with what these images mean, and due to society's influence, I grapple with wether these are really messages from the divine, or if i was just "tripping".

First Vision, August 2004
Enthoegen: Cannabis

I sat with my two closest friends (Bryan and Jon), my spirit dislocating from my body and recombining about every minute or so. At some point, I am standing outside of my self, looking at the room from the ceiling, seeing my body (which is male) and my soul (which appeared to be female) sitting behind my body.

Second Vision, March 2005
Entheogen: Salvia Divinorum

Again, with my two closest friends, after inhaling the first time, I percieved my skin as being made of dark indigo or balck velvet, covered in cold silver stars. The second inhale transformed my body into the mast of a large wooden sailing ship, the bed into the main deck, and the room into an ocean. I began to rock with the ocean's waves, and tried to say to my friends "Dude, reality's a boat", which threw me into a loop of rocking side to side on the waves, hearing the echo of "It sometimes floats, it sometimes floats" though the words kept chnaging and I can't remember them all. I should note, it was late at night, and very dark outside (in physical reality) but I percieved above the ocean a clear blue sky in bright daylight. Within minutes, I found myself taking the form of a Native american woman, dressed in seer skins, paddling a canoe down a river in a forest, again, in daylight, filtering through the green leaves. This lasted a few minutes more, when I suddenly realized that I have legs. (Which seemed terribly important - I had forgotten all about them) I was now in the form of a young girl, maybe 8 or 9 years old, sitting on a quilt on a large bed. A mother figure, and a sister figure were also sitting on the bed. For an instant, I thought I was back into "consensus reality", until I remembered what my bedroom and my friends looked like. I was suddenly in a box, looking through a glass wall, where my best friend(Bryan) had reappeared, my other friend had not yet. I reached out to put my hand on the glass, my best friend took hold of my hand, shattering the glass wall, the box, and the entire other reality. I found myself back inside "consensus reality" with my other friend holding my other hand.

Third and Fourth Visions, Late 2005 or early 2006
Entheogen: Cannabis
The dates are kind of hazy on these...
In the third vision, I was with Jon and some of his friends, and the room we were in became the inside of a geode. The only way in or out was through an ethernet cable which I percieved as glowing at its end.

The fourth was with Jon on the back porch of one of his friends' houses. I percieved the earth as a sailing ship as I looked up at the stars, felling totally exhillerated percieveing the winds of the cosmos gently blowing by. I felt a kind of light/energy within, saying that God wants us all to be happy.

Fifth Vision, June 2006
Enthoegen: Blue Tea (tea brewed from psyllocybin mushrooms)
I had iTunes running, playing music, and drawing visuals. Listening to Alanis Morissette, and some middle-eastern-style music, I saw the entire history of shamanism play out in the kaleidoscope on the screen. There was a story, about the plants that the Gods placed here to at as messengers, so the Gods could speak more clearly to humans. It told of how we've moved away from Nature, so they sent us LSD to try to draw us back, but a sense that we must return to nature, and sooner is better. Later, I looked out my kitchen (again, it was late at night and dark outside in consensus reality) For a moment, I saw the sun shining, and a garden growing outside. I felt so at peace, and so at home. Everything seemed so beautiful, and seemed to whisper that God wants me to be happy.



Well, In the few hours I've been on this board, I've come to sense that you're all very open-minded people, and hopefully this post won't offend anyone. But, what does anyone think?

In retrospect, I hope this post wasn't inappropriate....
I'm hoping it's just a case of no one has any idea what to say in response, and not a case of not dignifying it with a response because I posted something I shouldn't have. Maybe it's a topic nobody here wants this board to be associated with, or nobody wants to touch this with a 39 1/2 foot pole.....

Or maybe I'm just being overly paranoid. I hope that's the case.
And I hope neither of these posts have offended anyone.

LoL indeed, IndigoFuzzy, you're drowning on your own self-doubts. Don't be so worried as to what others think.

For me to be offended by your post is like saying I would be offended if you told me you went mountain climbing last week!

Just post what you want and let others decide on their own. When you "fear" other's judgements, it's you that's jugding yourself.

Be free, my friend!

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Hi Indigofuzzy,

Heavy stuff. I think your visions are real.

I have this theory on cannabis or rather where it came from and I have a strong feeling that someone told you exactly that in your vision.

First of all there is mention of cannabis in the Bible.

Then cannabis is the only plant on this planet with DNA such as the cannabis plant. It's an alien plant, so to speak.

There is a male and a female plant. The male plant is useless for the cannabista, it's the female plant that gives the weed you can smoke. Now when a female plant is in heat the weed that it produces becomes stronger.

I was wondering who is responsible for bringing this fantastic plant to this planet and for what purpose?

Btw, did you know that George Washington used to grow it to smoke it and that cannabis used to be legal in the USA. In certain states it was illegal not to grow it. You could be thrown in jail if you didn't grow it. Fact of the matter is that there are about 10.000 products you can produce out of cannabis. Cars, fuel, organic plastic etc. etc. etc. we could be producing about everything without violating Mother Earth.

It's not hazardous to your health it's hazardous to capitalism. THC contains stuff to cure breast cancer and lung cancer, THC reduces tumors. Well let's stick to the subject. I always tend to wander in my conversations, well in my whole life come to think of it.

Well anyway, I myself am a cannabis smoker, yeah well Holland home of the coffeeshop, and personally I've never experienced visions on cannabis. I've done mushrooms but no visions so I don't think it works with everybody. I am clairsentient and sometimes I have foreseeing dreams.

So I think that everybody in his or her way communicates with the Source or whatever you want to call it.

Cool runnings Indigofuzzy,

Blessed be

You should read Cosmic Serpent by Jeremy Narby. He's an anthropologist who did some ethnographic work with South American Ayahuasca shamans. Very interesting. A life changing book.

Salvia is insane. The last time I did it I broke through. The fabric of what is became twisted and everybody's faces came to a point. I asked the guy who the salvia belonged to what was wrong with his face. I looked to him as if he understood what was going on, as if he saw it too. The hallucinations were very real. I started becomming attached to the person sitting next to me. My body was being sucked into his, sucked into the book shelf. I was laughing uncontrollably. I became one with everything that was, physically. It was like being reality's toenail. A toe nail could not survive without a body. I could not separate my atoms from everything. It was like being an inanimate object.

But the most important thing was that I resisted. I was too attached with reality to let it take me anywhere. I tried to walk through the energy that seemed to have total power over me. It was hard to say the least, and shit levitated as I stepped over it. I'm not sure if the other person in the room saw that or not.

It lead me to stop taking psychedellics for a while. I realized that I wasn't ready.

I must agree that Salvia is *really* out there. I've heard thye experiences fo a few other people, my best friend included. For him, he said he was watching the end credits of reality roll by, and tried to resist it. He said Gravity was pulling in the wrong direction (toward a wall) for the next 2 hours. Another friend of mine told me of his experiences and nothing made sense about it.

I've found mushrooms to be a much "Gentler" entheogen/hallucinogen. The trips for me so far have been mostly mental with only a few visuals thrown in. The feeling of mushrooms to me is one of being able to see more clearly than usual, seeing "beneath the surface" of things into a realm of hidden meanings.

Cannabis is purely a "mind-trip" for me. My surroundings take on a more joy-full vibe. Although my synesthesia sometimes increases drastically, and the "subvisuals" (the minds-eye colors, shapes, textures, and sensations) become much more vivid and complex.

Decided that the former content might be a bit too much for the internet.

Dear Indigo Fuzzy,

No need to feel uncomfortable. We all have our own thing and way of getting there. The cool thing about your sharing, is that you really understand something! Do you know how many people do this kind of stuff with the only idea to escape or numb out of their life!

I studied with people who use certain plants for sacrament. This was always with the idea of participating in a sacred manner. I personally never was involved in these rituals, but saw the effects on the levels of awareness and consciousness...wisdom, insight, etc.

The things you are discussing I had happen to me spontaneously at a reiki session. However, I have subsequently done a lot of reading to find out what it was that happened! Come to find out the literature closest to what I experienced is found in the writings of Tim Leary, Terrence McKenna and others. I love the website deoxy.org. I love the whole idea of a tripping kind of consciousness.

People have had ET contact, tapped into future science, evolution, dreamtime and all kinds of things with shrooms, cannabis, and LSD.

Very cool discussion...

I will post some articles some time that I found to be very truthful in this realm of consciousness exploration.

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I took ayahuasca three times, and in the last time was about two days ago and my most higher experience was that i enter in the programation of the System and I saw various paralels worlds and dimensions. And a weirdo thing that i saw that persons of the other dimensions let here a kind of dummy here and gather to other dimension.
When the ritual was over i looked to the sky and they look brighter and closer than other days.
Oh, i forgot to told when i having my visions (was inumerous) the time looks to stop and i had the power to control it. I saw past, present and the future. And I understood that I am half-angel, half-indigo.
That´s it, i´m here to help as an indigo as an angel and my mission is restabilish peace, don´t care how many times i must came down here.
Peace and Strenghts

oh, i forgot to told... UFO´s are angels with their "flies" so don´t be afraid of them, and stay away from chemicals drugs.

"chemicals drugs"? as opposed to "natural drugs"? Just guessing here. So chemical drugs would be things like Lysergic Acid Diethylamide (LSD -- did a chemistry report in high school about that one. Had a styrofoam model of it on my ceiling for years. Oops, I digress.), Crack, Meth, Ecstasy, and natural ones would be like Cannabis, Psylocybin mushrooms, Ayhusca (sp?), Salvia Divinorum, etc?

Hmmmm, so is smoking tobacco still in? Or do all the wierd additives count as a "chemicals drug"? Maybe "Natural american spirit" is ok? No additives...

I miss acid ...except for the bad trips.
weed... hmm never liked it
K ... hurts my nose
Ahh Ecstacy... gets ya chi flowing... "Hadoken!"

Sometimes I look at drugs as cheating devices. I remember my first acid trip late night in the park. I learned so much about my own personal reality that I said something crazy like "Oh my god Im cheating!" My friends an I swore we were scientists make break through discoveries... should've seen how crazy we sound. LoL!

Anywho, Im past the drug phase... my body didnt want it anymore, the same way it did with niccotine and alcohol. I want to experience spirituality w/o the aid of drugs.

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lisergics have a minor power to "control" the mind, thus isn´t so dangerous.
the role of the drugs is relax from the duties.
in the Ancient Egipt the elders had the formulae of the drugs and how to use that, so to speak, use them to cure people.
that was the prime intention, but we don´t need the drugs to cure cause the cure is within us.
so the natural drugs are useful to relax.

as IndigoFuzzy stated the better way is the "free american spirit", no addictives

the tobbaco selled in stores is filled with chemistral junks.
here in brazil have tobbaco in natura in some shops but is skinky.

Hello dear, thanks for sharing your beautiful journeys... i wanted to share some wisdom with you. In my groups that I lead journeys, they experience the same thing without any natural herb or sacred drug. It is done well. If one can journey, they can journey. In my journeys I take men to reclaim their female side first in the jungles of central and south america before they can go on the soul retrieval. I do my work to reclaim karma in the underworld. Most male shamans around the world do it with drugs and take you to the middle worlds, thats where you went with your journey with the drugs. Just know that when you are ready when your older, that you can go to the lower worlds with someone like me, a death shaman.

In my dream incubations I take people on three and four day visions without drugs and they build with strength and clarity long dream journeys, and are filled with energy, clarity and vision that are bridged to this side...

Blessings and Love...

Maria Katahryna Patruha Frankuzka Czarnik Novak
13 star nation shamanka dreamkeeper of the primordial
grandmothers before 300,000 bc of the bear clans of
ursa major under the current black jaguar nations

http://people.tribe.net/dreamkeeper