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    ADHD - Great talk about the reality of ADHD

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    Unless you are physically faced with this condition on a daily basis , you might never believe it!

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    Great post. Thank you for finding this and posting it.
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    Drug-free Management of ADHD (Couldn't resist posting it, must be because of my impulsiveness or non-compliance) *giggle*
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    I'm the God mother to 5 children, and 2 of which are known to have chronic ADHD and are on meds, the oldest one is 9yrs old and the child psychiatrist reckons we're going to lose him to a children's mental health hospital by the time he is 11, he is getting a little bit dangerous lately. Which is strange considering the energies I picked up on him when I first held him in my arms when he was 3 weeks old!
    I had terrible visions when I held him!
    DONT DREAM IT BE IT!

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    I mean he has like a chronic form and additional mental health on top.
    DONT DREAM IT BE IT!

    Know thy enemy

    Don't live in fear of words alone, live in fear of the actions behind the words or what may happen if those words are never uttered!

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    ADHD IS A FARCE......GET OVER IT

    does not exist...

    Fake...

    it is brainwashing that enslaves us....

    Do not believe...

    Do not give your kids meth....

    please,please,please,please, nothing is wrong with your children

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    Well in regards to the 9yr old he has serious psychotic issues, and violent problems.

    The other child, his younger brother has no problems at all apart from stress of the violence his brother dishes out to him, yet his diagnosed ADHD.
    DONT DREAM IT BE IT!

    Know thy enemy

    Don't live in fear of words alone, live in fear of the actions behind the words or what may happen if those words are never uttered!

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    So the child has problems with agression and violence. The ADHD issue is prescribe to every child who requests to be diagnosed either by themselves or their parents. It is a way for drug companies to find a way to prescribe highly addictive drugs to children so that they become dependant upon the pharmaceutical industry. I mean since when did children pay attention? That is normal. They are new to this world, everything is new to them. They learn as much in a day as an adult learns in a month, of course they are hyper and inattentive. Speed, amphetamines, methamphetamines, stimulants make everyone concentrate better, but they also make people crackheads. I am speaking from experience. I have been through the system. I have had schools force me to take drugs that made me lose 40 lbs. and aggressive towards those who broke my focus, but hey I got my homework done. I became a zombie. I lost friends. Sometimes I threw up because I ate my breakfast at the wrong time. I had to take sleeping pills to get to sleep and antidepressants. None of this stuff worked. What did work is confidence, excercise, yoga, Tai Chi, Aikido, skateboarding, snowboarding, art, music, spirituality, support, support,support and more support.

    I was told I had severe depression and severe ADD and none of the therepy and drugs worked. The only thing that worked was respecting myself,energy, confidence, a peaceful mind, reckognition of harmony, caring, love, support, participation and discovering what it is that makes me who I am. I will never let any shrink take that away from me again.

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    Don't blame you...

    Quote Originally Posted by {{d*@*b}} View Post
    ADHD IS A FARCE......GET OVER IT

    does not exist...

    Fake...

    it is brainwashing that enslaves us....

    Do not believe...

    Do not give your kids meth....

    please,please,please,please, nothing is wrong with your children
    Don't really blame you here honey, I didn't believe it too! I used to think is all down to bad parenting, too much tv, diet , etc...
    But now I am facing it for 5 years everyday, I cannot believe its so true! It is a mental disorder, and saying its not real is like saying: esquizofrenia doesn't exist, dementia doesn't exist, depression doesn't exist, OCD doesn’t exist, etc etc .....
    I wish from the bottom of my heart you were right... but it is all down to genes... my little brother has ADHD too but no co morbidity with it so its much more manageable, and he suffered a lot in school...

    It's sad when you see a child trying so hard to be liked but that cannot control their impulses, cannot make friends, regrets almost all their actions, gets frustrated because cannot finish any goal, cannot sit still not even to meet their needs like eating, and has a quality of life really affected! I see it everyday and it’s heartbreaking!
    The co morbities make it really worse ( when another disorder is manifested in conjunction with ADHD) making it so hard to treat both and is much persistent.

    So when you say it doesn’t exist, I see myself 5 years ago before I ever seen it, I would be like you… and when I heard of parents giving meds to their children I used to think: Gosh don’t they love their children?

    Now I understand its for their own life quality, their own benefit, otherwise left untreated, it could have detrimental effects on their social, and mental health in the future!

    Bless you! xxx

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    That's funny!

    Quote Originally Posted by Verumi View Post
    Drug-free Management of ADHD (Couldn't resist posting it, must be because of my impulsiveness or non-compliance) *giggle*
    Hehehe! What a funny video, but for actual ADHD that wouldn't really work in reality! It's like hitting a child not to wheeze when they have asthma.

    xxx

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtistFerreira View Post
    Don't really blame you here honey, I didn't believe it too! I used to think is all down to bad parenting, too much tv, diet , etc...
    But now I am facing it for 5 years everyday, I cannot believe its so true! It is a mental disorder, and saying its not real is like saying: esquizofrenia doesn't exist, dementia doesn't exist, depression doesn't exist, OCD doesn’t exist, etc etc .....
    I wish from the bottom of my heart you were right... but it is all down to genes... my little brother has ADHD too but no co morbidity with it so its much more manageable, and he suffered a lot in school...

    It's sad when you see a child trying so hard to be liked but that cannot control their impulses, cannot make friends, regrets almost all their actions, gets frustrated because cannot finish any goal, cannot sit still not even to meet their needs like eating, and has a quality of life really affected! I see it everyday and it’s heartbreaking!
    The co morbities make it really worse ( when another disorder is manifested in conjunction with ADHD) making it so hard to treat both and is much persistent.

    So when you say it doesn’t exist, I see myself 5 years ago before I ever seen it, I would be like you… and when I heard of parents giving meds to their children I used to think: Gosh don’t they love their children?

    Now I understand its for their own life quality, their own benefit, otherwise left untreated, it could have detrimental effects on their social, and mental health in the future!

    Bless you! xxx
    Just take a breath....I have lived 29 years as an individual who was diagnosed with severe ADD and severe depression. I am eccentric, different, I think in a strange way, and my sporadic attention makes others cringe, but I am happy. I love my life. I have figured out how to adjust and what my place is in society or whatever your concerns for you child may be. Trust me, like I said before, I have been through it first hand and it is B.S. big time B.S. Look at how many of these so called diagnosed kids develop addiction problems and depend upon the assistance of chemicals to feel there way blindly through going through the motions of being this convoluted depiction of bland normalsy. These people die of overdoses, commit suicide, develop other more serious mental problems because it is reinforced that they are so damaged even they can't get their life under control. What kind of message is that to give a child? It is not possible for you to change your ways on your own. Trust me this can crush your self image. I became one of those tragic periods in my life before I realised how I can change my own brain chemistry.

    It is this simple every emotion, every detail of you psychology, your outward personality, self image,all this can be broken down into brain chemistry and can then be judge to be a disorder or an advantage. The pharmaceutical industry has people who research brain chemistry and find these interactions,label them a disorder, and then design a drug to sell that will cure this disorder. In reality whether it is a disorder or not is up to the individual. Once this is realised it is easy to see that it is only the individual who can truly make this chemical change. So in actuallity these disorders are in fact deeply involved mental states. That can be changed by changing ones perception of self, aka changing ones mind, aka locate the problem and change it. Unfortunately this realisation also requires maturity and thus patience on the side of the parents.

    Your child is more than likely just more advanced than you can even dream of. Be patient and I am sure your children will blow you away with their sophistication and resilliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by {{d*@*b}} View Post
    Just take a breath....I have lived 29 years as an individual who was diagnosed with severe ADD and severe depression. I am eccentric, different, I think in a strange way, and my sporadic attention makes others cringe, but I am happy. I love my life. I have figured out how to adjust and what my place is in society or whatever your concerns for you child may be. Trust me, like I said before, I have been through it first hand and it is B.S. big time B.S. Look at how many of these so called diagnosed kids develop addiction problems and depend upon the assistance of chemicals to feel there way blindly through going through the motions of being this convoluted depiction of bland normalsy. These people die of overdoses, commit suicide, develop other more serious mental problems because it is reinforced that they are so damaged even they can't get their life under control. What kind of message is that to give a child? It is not possible for you to change your ways on your own. Trust me this can crush your self image. I became one of those tragic periods in my life before I realised how I can change my own brain chemistry.

    It is this simple every emotion, every detail of you psychology, your outward personality, self image,all this can be broken down into brain chemistry and can then be judge to be a disorder or an advantage. The pharmaceutical industry has people who research brain chemistry and find these interactions,label them a disorder, and then design a drug to sell that will cure this disorder. In reality whether it is a disorder or not is up to the individual. Once this is realised it is easy to see that it is only the individual who can truly make this chemical change. So in actuallity these disorders are in fact deeply involved mental states. That can be changed by changing ones perception of self, aka changing ones mind, aka locate the problem and change it. Unfortunately this realisation also requires maturity and thus patience on the side of the parents.

    Your child is more than likely just more advanced than you can even dream of. Be patient and I am sure your children will blow you away with their sophistication and resilliance.
    Hey my friend, I have ADD and anxiety myself... I am also very eccentric… What you and me found in life, is strategies and coping mechanisms, and we are very happy yes! But it took years to get there, lets be honest!

    If you watch this video and pay attention until the end you realise that they are becoming two distinct mental conditions: ADD differs from ADHD a lot and now scientists want to split the two and call it something else.
    ADHD is much worse, it’s very real and is harder to treat, believe me.
    ADD people are much more successful in having coping techniques and achieving accomplishment in life because they have much more control of their impulses!

    The fact that ADHD people fall into drugs is because they self-medicate when undiagnosed!
    It is proven that treated ADHD people actually are less to self-medicate (drug -addiction) in the future because they are already being treated and supported!

    Medication also depends on the severity of the problem:

    For example, co morbidities, like ADHD and Speech and Language Disorder is very hard to treat if not impossible without the intervention of medication. How can a child be able to develop and acquire language and speech if he/she cannot stop to listen and concentrate? That would really affect her/his quality of life and ability to learn and could give them a less successful future.

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    I am sorry but that is brainwash talk. You've been bought and sold. Your money is already in their pocket.

    You give anyone amphetamines and you are developing a chemical dependance of dopamine, the reward chemical normal released for better reasons is released on a regular basis from the stimulation of the amphetamines. This means that the brain starts to react to the chemical stimulation by secreting less dopamine. This means that if your child takes these drugs long enough they will develop an addictive personality, which is much harder to get over. I mean seriously how long do you think it takes for kids to figure out they can crush it and snort it. I know people my age and including myself who have abused these drugs like this. I know people who ended up spending their junior year of high school in rehab. I quit taking dexedrine cold turkey one summer because my school would not let me stop taking them with out a doctors note. All the doctors would want to do is prescribe a different but similar drug. I quit taking my pills the day school ended for the summer and I spent the summer going through withdrawal. All at 17 years old, far too young if you ask me. If I could go back in time to the moment I stepped in that steaming pile they call the child psychology arena I would definately rather be a akward, high school dropout, than dealing with a forced addiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by {{d*@*b}} View Post
    I would definately rather be a akward, high school dropout
    Ok, I have to respect your own personal and individual opinion... Remember, everyone is an individual with different feelings, ambitions, needs etc and I am happy it work out for you my friend. All the best with it! xxx

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    Including your children. They may agree to take drugs now but later they may regret it and find out that it has damaged them in the long run.


    And of course you are entitled to your oppinion but I feel obligated to spread the word that druging your children and labeling them dysfunctional is not helping them be themselves, which is cruel IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by {{d*@*b}} View Post
    Including your children. They may agree to take drugs now but later they may regret it and find out that it has damaged them in the long run.


    And of course you are entitled to your oppinion but I feel obligated to spread the word that druging your children and labeling them dysfunctional is not helping them be themselves, which is cruel IMHO.
    It is not me honey, its society that label children... and this post it is not about medicate/not medicate, but the reality of the condition ADHD.

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    Oh and the important thing is I did not drop out of highschool. In fact I quit the drugs cold turkey and continued to do better in school and was accepted to my first choice college 2 years early. So all those guidance counselers and psychologists who didn't believe in me were quaks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by {{d*@*b}} View Post
    Oh and the important thing is I did not drop out of highschool. In fact I quit the drugs cold turkey and continued to do better in school and was accepted to my first choice college 2 years early. So all those guidance counselers and psychologists who didn't believe in me were quaks.
    Just like I said you and me were ADD with successful outcomes

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    Adhd is a personality type and the solution is a better educational system that caters to different personalities instead of molding individuals into a prescribed personality type. The thing that made all the difference to me was when I left my traditional prep school and attended an alternative highschool. The teachers really had much more of a sense of purpose and obligation to see through that the students enjoy learning and are comfortable with their own skills. They made sure that I was aware of my talents and that I got to develop my talents in my own way.

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    My personal view on ADD/ADHD, these kids were injected with foreign substances, they eat horrible diets (processed foods/dies/chemicals), there is not enough time from early on to give to them or when they become more independent parents just let them "play" instead of playing with them and teaching them. When this happens and everyone has to work since money is needed and there is no one on one attention given it produces a lot of issues, way beyond just this "disorder".

    I believe a lot of the problem is no one wants to deal with it. It's so much easier to medicate.

    I'm not judging, I lived it and have seen it. Children now are born into a world such as we are in and what do we expect? People have kids and think, "Oh, I'm having a baby, someone who will love me and be mine" and then arent emotionally mature or equiped to really raise a child. Then the child feels the pull of expectations of being a trophy and internalize it, then leads to low self esteem, aggression, depression, which all have similar symptoms of ADHD/ADD.

    Our society has it backwards. There is nothing "wrong" with them, it is us.

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