Second Bible Study

**Clear Blue Sky** · 02-28-2009

Eeeee Gads!!! Solomon wrote the entire book of Proverbs to help his kids wise up! And he had so many children he could have chosen from. Man, if I were Rehoboam reading over my dad's shoulders him writing these words about me, "who will know if the one who comes after him will be a wise man or a fool..." And considering what happened with Rehoboam and the kingdom and all...

Very, very sad, in a way. But also a comfort, in a way, because evidently this Solomon saw this in his lifetime, or guessed at it, and found meaning in something else (God). You wonder in his later life his "sin" they talk of, all the women and the idolatry, coming from these inner conflicts. . . as a History, and as a regligious text, but also as a person sharing private thoughts through the ages. His legacy lives and memory lives on.

**chise** · 02-28-2009

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i) There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven:

This is a realization that dawned on Solo as he contemplated life. Every activity under the heavens has it's time and place

ii) A time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot,
iii) a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to hear down and a time to build,
iv) a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance 'under the moonlight',
v) a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain,
vi) a time to search and a time to give up, a time to keep and a time to throw away,
vii) a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to silent and a time to speak,
viii) a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.

thus what we might consider good or evil is actually a part of the scheme of things according to the good book? every season having its time and place

ix) What does the worker gain from his toil? x) I have seen the burden God has laid on men. xi) He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men;...

Nevertheless every activity and season still retain their meaninglessness in the end. The drudgery of living, doing, breathing, thinking is the gift of God itself. All experiences under the sun are beautiful moments in time in their own way when men self-realize their infinitude.

xii) I know that there is nothing better for men than to be happy and do good while they love. xiii) That everyone may eat and drink, and find satisfaction in all his toil- this is the gift of God.

**Charity** · 02-28-2009

Originally Posted by Clear Blue Sky

Eeeee Gads!!! Solomon wrote the entire book of Proverbs to help his kids wise up! And he had so many children he could have chosen from. Man, if I were Rehoboam reading over my dad's shoulders him writing these words about me, "who will know if the one who comes after him will be a wise man or a fool..." And considering what happened with Rehoboam and the kingdom and all...

Very, very sad, in a way. But also a comfort, in a way, because evidently this Solomon saw this in his lifetime, or guessed at it, and found meaning in something else (God). You wonder in his later life his "sin" they talk of, all the women and the idolatry, coming from these inner conflicts. . . as a History, and as a regligious text, but also as a person sharing private thoughts through the ages. His legacy lives and memory lives on.

Rehoboam is just sad. "My father chastised you with whips. I will chastise you with scorpions." That quote sounds so evil. It's like he didn't know how to think. The thing I like about the Bible, and Christianity as a whole is that it's about humans relation to the divine. The main characters are us on Earth, not deities on a mountain. God is the producer & director.

I identify with Soloman alot. I thirst for knowledge and have committed idoltary.

**Clear Blue Sky** · 02-28-2009

Charity, you are so right! Rehoboam was clearly focused on the wrong thing -- on all the stuff that evidently Solomon himself found not to be terribly meaningful. And if you read Solomon's alledgedy-written, in ways very personal works: Proverbs "listen, my son..." and Ecclesiastes. . . .

The best "greats" before God 1) had an empathy/relationship with God that transcended their own goodness. 2) would at times argue with God, or interceed on behalf of others at times dealing with God, 3) were honest before God.

And yes, we are all so imperfect. I swiped someone's book on the memoires of the late Pope, and he makes his own imperfection and human frailties and the love that comes from recognizing each/our own frailities quite clear. You wonder how history woudl have changed if Rehoboam or one of Solomon's other 100's of kids had a heart and been in power and listened to the people.

**QuosVadis** · 03-01-2009

Here we go again…. We mix God with Jesus… Jesus was an identity with a name but the God of the old book is many… Which god are we are talking about?? The god of the old book?? That was a god of profit and power of riches and nothing else. Salomon believed in a supreme mind but nothing to do with that funny old clown of Abram David and so on…God …...Is the word God means that either we believe that stereotype of the god of Moses or nothing?? Salomon dint not believe in that god ….I believe in a God but not that god that everyone wants us to believe…and in regards the god that Salomon believe we automatically associate him with the clown….And this is for you Dreamwalker that you read the bible like a child…And interpeter like other have done before you and pretend that you know the intention of God…
24 There is nothing better for a man {than} to eat and drink and tell himself that his labor is good. This also I have seen that it is from the hand of God. Your response:, And you interpretation << God does enjoy seeing his creation do what he intended >> Did he??? Ill answer you with the bible then>>>>>Genesis..: 6: from 5 to 8……Are you Pentecostal or a Baptist??…You sound to me like a unturned bagpipe…

**Charity** · 03-01-2009

I believe in the Trinity, which is stated in the Niceane Creed established around 300 B.C (not know date off hand). At times I had thoughts otherwise, but none of them made sense when I put them under scrutiny.

I would like to remind everyone of DFisher's policy of no negativity. Debate is good, but no insults.

**QuosVadis** · 03-01-2009

That is way lots of people like Sturbz become a non-believer...That is because we make people believe that God is out there to judge people. God doesn’t judge no body.... because He has given us the great gift to judgement, not only in regards others, but primly ourselves!!!...I’m not good on writhing, I’ m much better to hold a discussion and explain verbally…Ok…. way don’t we reed the story of Don Bosco??? He was out there to help the one that have been violated, abused and finally regarded as peasants and good for nothing?? He got him self against the very true religion that he associate with in the first place, and steel he was against the teaching of the Catholic Church. And that is way??? Because that was the only Christian religion available at the time!!!. . Same as the old testament …If you want to believe in a God hither you believe what they want teach you or you are doomed….Is that what God said and more so what Jesus said???? I’m telling you this… that in the eye of God not even Hitler is no different from any one else!!!!!!The "great" people in the past have done worst.....

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**Clear Blue Sky** · 03-01-2009

Quos..... Solomon built the temple in honor of that God of David and Abraham and to offer sacrifices somewhat according to the commandments attributed through Moses to be served by the priests descendents of Aaron? (okay, not withstanding in the Moses stuff there's a statement not to build an altar with steps....)

Yeah, there are contradictions and changes with time and authors and cultural encounters. Some of the stuff makes us squirm. Pray your squirming...

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Ecc 3:14: I know that everything God does will endure forever; nothing can be added to it and nothing taken from it. God does it so that men will revere him.

Whatever is has already been,
and what will be has been before;
and God will call the past to account.

And I saw something else under the sun:
In the place of judgment -- wickedness was there,
in the place of justice -- wickedness was there.

**QuosVadis** · 03-01-2009

Ok ..not in the mood …. But this will let you know what I’m saying… … Would you like me to look for the passage?? I will soon if you really need too…..God and not the god, of that funny man, like Abram …He said …I HAVE NO HOUSE OR TAMPLE ON THIS HERTH, AS EARTH IS NOTHING MORE THAEN A PEDISTOOL TO REST MY FEET…YOU HAVE DONE NO MORE THEHN IMBELLISH YOUR HOUSE WITH RICHES AND I CAN HEAR MY PEOPLE STARVING…. Those funny bastards dint very much like if some prophet talking to them, in that manner and they all got murdered… And, in regards of sacrifices??? Common…. Common.. We have enough proof that the Hebrew of that time has sacrificed children to show power!!!!! Jesus went in the temple and condemned sacrifices. .Doase God need people to sacrifice, to know that you respect him >>> what a shit god is that?? My GOD is ABOVE ALL ,and as well Jesus God…I think that we. Jesus/me and Others in this site are respecting the same/similar GOD….A God with out any label….A God above all, a God that understand Human Kind!!!!!!….....

**Clear Blue Sky** · 03-02-2009

Quos Quote: "Ok ..not in the mood …. But this will let you know what I’m saying… … Would you like me to look for the passage?? I will soon if you really need too…..God and not the god, of that funny man, like Abram …He said …I HAVE NO HOUSE OR TAMPLE ON THIS HERTH, AS EARTH IS NOTHING MORE THAEN A PEDISTOOL TO REST MY FEET…YOU HAVE DONE NO MORE THEHN IMBELLISH YOUR HOUSE WITH RICHES AND I CAN HEAR MY PEOPLE STARVING…. "

Okay, not in the mood either. Quos, I think you have pretty good vision in both of your eyes, though I do feel you might benefit from working to get them focused together so you can see three-dimensionally as well as clearly but with two conflicting images.

The stuff about God doesn't live in a temple or need a temple and cannot be contained ina temple -- Chronicles or Kings somewhere, two times. First when he talks with David about building the temple, and says he will build David's House, not the other way around, and that Solomon will build the temple. The second what Solomon admits even as he is kneeling, praying to god before the people, admitting that the temple is not the final adequate focus for God. (Have you watched Rattatouille? the movie? Like the temple is more like the chef... and in visions later and in the OLD testament that is stated, but I won't go into that on an Eccles. thread. If you want to continue this discussion please start a new thread we can talk there, okay?

**QuosVadis** · 03-02-2009

The temple where just like the churches of today.. . None of those people really have talk to God. . Especially the personalities that Moses created... They where nothing more or less then markets.. Money making institution.. . Moses never existed any way, and so Abram and Job ...And so Adam and Eve and also Cain and Abel…. If was so, how can any would made it all the way trans ocean??.... The old testament its just a story and has been documented that those people never existed..... The bible its nothing more then a strategic book to mislead people and to suck money from the gullibility.. It happened before and it’s happening more so now...I have great respect for Jesus and if I must follow the teaching of Jesus I can not follow the old book…There is far to much warning in regards the way people worshipped God back then…. I believe in History, and even that claims that those people never existed. If God wanted us to follows that teaching, how come that he dint live a proof of all that?? Just a book that was create by the usurers.. And we must follow blindly because people said so?? Like those people had the vision of a God, others could have too!!…. What??? God is going to punish people for something that was written 4000 years ego and if we don’t obey what he is going to do??? Destroy 95% of the world people that has existed in the past and plus another 95% of the people that exist now…What kind of merciful and just God is that….a lot to ask …If that was the case Satan has more consideration then He….. Peace..

**Clear Blue Sky** · 03-02-2009

Quos,

I don't think anyone in this forum is advocating following blindly. Just pointing out that Solomon and also Jesus did maintain a continuity with the God found within the books of the Old Testament. I commend your sentiment wanting to make a clean break from the ghastlilness often expressed there, and yeah the did happen/didn't happen myth or history issues with the OT. Either the ghastliness was in God, or the ghastliness was in the people, or the ghastliness was in the imagination of the writers in that time period. Maybe the story of the Wisdom of Solomon and the two mothers dividing the baby sheds light on the best relation to God and Judgement and Authority and the deepest intent and longing behind it all? The true mother did not say "By your command, O mighty one."

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Getting back to the book of Ecclesiastes, though:

"Ecc 3:14: I know that everything God does will endure forever; nothing can be added to it and nothing taken from it. God does it so that men will revere him.

Whatever is has already been,
and what will be has been before;
and God will call the past to account.

And I saw something else under the sun:
In the place of judgment -- wickedness was there,
in the place of justice -- wickedness was there. "

I find this intriguing, since it is purportedly written by Solomon, the King and Ruler and Administer or judgment and justice in his Kingdom. What is a king doing lamenting lack of judgment and justice if that is his job?

**QuosVadis** · 03-02-2009

That is because the God of the old testament was the only God that people back then new, and wanted to believe...Tell me how Jesus could have break the news that the God of the old book was to be changed??. You cant tell me that he dint try to change a lot of it!!. If it’s hard to change it now, can you imagine changing it backs then?? He did try, and he wasn’t very successful!! Matter of fact the Hebrew regards Jesus, steel today as an impostor. How come that they are the experts of the Old Testament, and they are the one that just don’t get it?? Well I can only assume that it’s all speculation…And in regards the book of Ecclesiastes lets not fool our self’s that was written by Salomon.. There is a mountain of controversy who wroth it.. When was written also… some evidence claim that was written by a woman, that was written by 2 people. Many agree that was written couple of hundred years BC…and also there is proof that was written in different language also…so how can I support the old book??? Just have fate?? My fate tells me that I should not follow it at all. It just doesn’t go in harmony with the New Testament, because if would have, the Jewish people would have eventually agree with it also…. How come that we have dozens of different religions/denominations that use the same book and they contrast each other??? So I must also think that they read it to fit the bill.. They all want to teach they version…I think that my religion/version is the best, because its mine, and I will keep it, and when the time comes will see if I deserve to go to hell.. ..Any way there is no such a think as HELL or EVEN…We are all in the same bag … I like Ecclesiastes because suite me, and justifies the cacca that I did years back…If was ok for Salomon,( and lets not forget David as well, he had a lots of fun also).. , well, must be ok for me as well……..Peace…

**Charity** · 03-02-2009

Justice in ancient times is a complicated topic.The fact that the rulers appointed by God were called Judges points that law & fairness are important to Him. I am not sure about the judicial system of Ancient Israel. I know that the Ancient Egyptian was riddled with corruption and cases drawn on for years.

**Clear Blue Sky** · 03-02-2009