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    I think people oftentimes are unable to step outside themselves and see how their emotions (and need to be accepted and liked) have taken them over. Without some type of self-observation it is nearly impossible to see how we affect other people with our "unintentional" actions.

    Yes, intentions are important and so is personal responsibility to ensure we do not impact someone else's ability to experience life and liberty and their pursuit of happiness; we need to be aware and not negatively affect other people's lives, whether intentional or not.

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    Rarely do I do something without good intentions.

    What I can not control is other peoples interpretation of my intentions.

    Usually if someone mis-interprets my intentions, there is nothing I can say to make it better. They will see what they want to see. Me getting sucked into their anger does not help either.

    If someone phoned me with an abusive tirade, I would hang up. I do not accept that behavior from anyone.
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    intent is the purpose for doing something
    Will is the dedication u have to execute ur intent
    Will+intent=manifestation...or that's how I see it...
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    most, if not all, intentions are self-serving.

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    The definition of "intention" is:
    purpose: an anticipated outcome that is intended or that guides your planned actions;
    It is rare that someone does something intentionally without SOME sort of personal expectation. Problem being that even the best actions done with personal expectation can be interpreted as negative or harmful by someone else, primarily because they do not serve THEIR expectations

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    Quote Originally Posted by beautifulmind View Post
    I think I understand Steph...

    So even though we may have good intentions or have no ill intentions whatsoever, because our intentions rarely come without personal expectation (expectation being a key word here) we can sometimes inadvertantly even accidentally hurt others in our endevors. So do you feel that we too often "expect" others to be aware of our intentions? And do you feel that when two different expectations colide that one expectation is more important than the other? Isn't this where consideration and reverence for another comes in? When even though we had no intention whatsoever to hurt another, we acknowledge that we did?

    What would you do in the case of the car accident above? Are you saying that the driver who got hit's expectations of the driver who hit him to pay attention to his driving and own internal state is unreasonable?
    I think that most of the miscomunication in the world results from people "expecting" that the other person will know (or should know) their intentions. While there is a mediocom of truth in this when it comes to close friends and family, to expect complete strangers (or even aquaintances) to be "intent readers" is unreasonable. Both individuals expectations are equally valid (to them) and both are going to see their expectation as the "working" expectation.

    In the case of your car accident, the one who was on the phone call expects that the driver of the other car will understand his being upset at the phone call and being distracted while the one who got hit expects that that one who hit him should never have picked up the phone, let alone have gotten involved in an argument while driving.

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    I am not sure that intentions can be placed in the car crash scenario. I think that sometimes we get so wrapped up in our own intentions and our interactions that we lose sight of the big picture. If we become so focused on our intention in that moment we lose sight of what is coming at us. In that moment the collision could be seen as a true crash or metaphorical.

    It was not our intention to hurt someone else, it was our intention to end the tirade being thrown at you from another source. In being caught up in it, there was a collision with an "innocent". Innocent being in the context of not being in the situation. Of course you would apologize for your mistake. It is your mistake because you have lost attentioned and focused on something that maybe insignificant in the long run.

    Because we stop paying attention to life around us, and get caught up in the small things we hit bumps along the way. If we are so caught up in our own intentions we may not see the swathe of destruction we leave in our wake. It is up to us, and everyone to be mindful of what they are doing at all times, and aware of everything. When we stop paying attention to everything around us and focus on the "negative" intentions of others, our good intentions have a harder time of showing through. In that light, even though your intention was good towards one person, it hurt another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beautifulmind View Post
    I agree to expect complete strangers to be intent readers is unreasonable. In the case of the car accident, It is apparent that both drivers expectations are the working expectation, but in a situation where someone can be potentially seriously harmed, is the expectation to understand the phone call and the intentions behind it realistic? When we are driving, aren't we supposed to be paying attention to the road and traffic lest we cause another great harm? And still, though we acknowledge that expecting complete strangers to "get" the others intentions, do we still not offer the driver who we hit the consideration of the damage we caused them by our carelessness?

    And with family and friendships... does it not seem reasonable that we do this moreso with them? And if this does not occur, if we expect our intentions to be understood without acknowledging the very real hurt we caused by our actions, would it not cause for consideration that these relationships were not what they really appeared to be?
    As to the car accident - this is exactly why so many states are making it illegal to drive and talk on the phone at the same time. There have been studies done that prove that we use more engaged segments of our brain when we carry on telephone conversations than when we are listening to the radio, or even to books on tape etc.

    As to our close relationships - what sort of "expectations" are we putting on the persons in question? Just because we have "known" a person for a long time, or have been married to them (or involved with them) doesn't mean that we can expect them to be considering our responses every time they make a decision.

    In the closest of relationships there will be NO expectations. The love and/or friendship can not be tarnished by anything that is said or done, because it is felt too deeply.

    Those relationships that can be tarnished by words or actions are based on expectations and therefore are subject to pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beautifulmind View Post
    Wow, as I said to Patryc yesterday I have a really hard time with that one...

    "In the closest of relationships there will be NO expectations."

    I am not saying it is not possible, but I have never experienced it and so it feels foreign to me. For me it feels unbalanced to have no expectations whatsoever. In Pats thread I asked, "So I should never expect my spouse to be faithful in our marriage. I should never expect my friends and family to consider me feelings"?... I become suspicious and cautios of being told I should have no expectations. Is it also possible that in the closest relationships, expectations can exist and because of the love and concern for the other, they can be considered, discussed, compromises made and balance found? To me that sounds more reasonable...

    yeah, I know Jen, it SEEMS unreasonable, which is why I said "in the closest relationships", this does not mean that the "closest relationships" will be those in which we are physically the closest.

    I have expectations of my marriage - I expect that we will share the responsibilities of house and children and financial obligations. I have certain expectations from my co-workers (I do my share of the work, they do their share of the work, we complete the project etc). I have expectations of my friends.

    But there are some relationships that trancend expectations because there is nothing TO expect, they just are. Many people have felt this relationship with what you can call "god" or "source", others claim that this can be felt in a twin-flame relationship. An overwhelming complete and total acceptance. You don't have to do anything. You aren't expected to do anything, because the love, the acceptance, simply IS. Anything you do in a relationship like this isn't done out of expectation, but because you WANT to do it, because it feels right, not because it is expected of you, not because you will loose any part of the person's or beings regard if you DON'T.

    I know that I've had glimpses of this in my marriage, in my relationships with my family, moments when I just WANTED to do something, not because it was expected or because anything was expected in return, but because it just felt RIGHT.

    Outside of my twinflame relationship (which just IS) I Primarily I feel it with my girls - so much I do because it is expected, yes, but so much I do just because I want to, because I love to see their faces light up when I do it. I don't expect anything in return.

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    how about those twinflamers?

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    Intentions include expectations. Expectations from yourself and how you will handle the situation/relationship, expectations from the person who is on the receiving end of your "intentional act".

    But in the end, what are expectations but assumptions? Assumptions about yourself, about the other person, about the outcome of the situation?

    You or I assume that we are doing this out of good intentions, we assume that the person on the receiving end will interpret our intentions correctly, but in making this sort of assumption, aren't we taking away their voice? Or, for that matter, OUR voice? Perhaps if we just let things unfold without INTENDING anything...

    Hmmm....

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    Quote Originally Posted by beautifulmind View Post
    Hmmm.... so we should let all things unfold without ever intending care, concern, reverence for anothers experience or life? Should we never intend to grow or change? Should we never intend to be on time or drive carefully? Should we never intend to protect our children or remain faithful in our marriage?

    Can we evolve without intentions? If we don't intend to get out of bed in the morning, will we magically find ourselves dressed and heading to work?
    LOL - that's not what I said Jen, I'm talking about expectations/asumptions in their direct relation to relationships.

    We should not ASSUME that our expectations/intentions are going to be interpreted correctly. We should not ASSUME that what we preceive of as good intentions actually are (we could have some subconscious need to prove ourselves that even WE are not aware of).

    Of course care and reverence should be included in all relationships - it is BECAUSE of our lack of being able to control the interpretations of intentions/expectations that we should proceed with care (and reverence) in everything that we do.

    But is there not a way to proceed in a relationship without resorting to intentions or intentional acts? Can we not simply take what comes and move on from that point? Can we not act instinctively (not with any pre-determined purpose, however noble its intentions), but simply act on what we feel is right at the time? Is it necessary to deal with assumptions and intentions and expectations in order to grow? Or can growth also come from learning to live without expectations?

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    You will find. That the more spiritual you become, possibly, the more you are in the illusion of being verbally or otherwise attacked. The more it seems to attract to you. Sometimes, my body has just had enough of it and I think, completely wrung out, my spirit takes control. This done by the contuation of sending love to there soul. This not only protect you from there emotions which can cause damage eventually. Hate can cause disease and problems. But it morally does the best thing by sending the "Gift" they are trying to give you back to them. And sending your love. The problem being that often physically it seems to wear me out. Spiritually it does not seem to.
    As for talking on a cell phone and driving, try to put an end to it. Learn the lesson. People were not ment to talk on cell phones and drive. Put the car in park first then talk.
    I have had to learn certain things to do and not to do when driving or I too would have been in an accident long ago.
    As for the other driver, also give love. Send his reaction back to him and give love. But realize you just caused a problem for him.
    Take a deep breath, forgive yourself for the accident. Get up with love for yourself, and stand up and forget about yesterday, it cannot be changed and begin to change NOW. And realize it is a new day to begin again.

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