Indigos-Crystals vs The highest teachings and spiritual traditions in this universe?

[Indigo Traveler]

When i remember what i did experience along the last 35 years. I ask my self if that make sense really.

The first time i was idetifying in myself the indigo traits, was very clear an adventure was already waiting for me. What was not clear was all kind of challenges i will need to face and what i will need to learn, even i like it or not.

Did you ask youself about why you are here really?

If ones you just ask your inner self inside of your heart, the sacred place where you know...then you will know.

(Sometimes i dont agree the highest connection comes from up your crone...up there communication with your subtil consciousness happend but as well with other bings). the connection with the heart seems to be more unique and individual, for sure in synthony with all yoru centers, including the crone an higher ones.

I remember in the year 1992, a Gatherng was in my mind already, as a palce and space to build. That year i started meeting many indigos without knowing presicely why we met.

Along following years my intuition drived me to learn about this place, history, culture, behavior, langauges, meanings....to discover the matrix of life and conditioning. Ending up in more subtil levels of life.

Spiritual levels of the care and control over this planet and all kind of events in history, present and past, of agression and conflict, between spiritual groups.

Nowadyas i still asking my self, why indigos crystal came?

so far, "we have been told", indigo crystals will solve "the situation" and support a new step for the earth.

But which situation are we talking about?

What does it means?

Is a new step of teh erath or a replacement of the whole planet with inisgo-crystal and highe vibrations? How that will looks like for normal people, for old spiritual religiosn and groups that have been experience power and influence one earth since eons?

From a perspective and point of view in which there is no more duality, we experience freedom and our beings (inidgo-crystals) authomatically make balance and create a higher state of consciousness and being at any place we arrive. That is what indigo-crystals do, and naturally, just by beings themselves.

But, why the planet didint do that before? do we accep all "spirtual hitory" of the plante we find in abooka nd amagazine or a workshop as a real fact? Are the normal earth inhabitant ready for the change? did they ask fo it? will they respect what we do?

I remember very well year 1996, i was building already the bases for the first Youth center i wanted to run: probably an Indigo crystal center.

That year i did face the first (obvious) confrontation, between what i knew and what other religious groups wanted from me.

After that year, and since then i have been travling abroad looking for a palce and conditiosn to build a home base.

Nowadays i ask myself about history and cases of special individual contacting and meeting spirtual grouops, juts look for soem biographies or see yourself.......i remember how all religious were always ready to receive every high evolved being, educate him/her and use him/her as expression and leader representative of own group and believes...

does Indigo-crystals have the risk to be pushed and manipualted by many other religious groups?

Is our task to help spirtual groups to evolve or is just important we bring our own knowledge independntly from whyt here on earth exist?

Is this question important? will be that teh decision indigo crystals will need to take ones?

I remember i was always very naiv, tought the expression of love and counscioousness is only one. I thought by learning some of the highest teachings in this planet, i will be ready to share that erath-offered knowledge with more beings similar to me and to any being.

To do so was anatural feeling. But what i found, actually, along the way was a surpirse, a bitter surprise.

Recently, i was sharing with some indigos about the possibility that i offer a Living/survival training for indigos. Not only about living abroad traveling and other topycs, but also about facing such kind of challeneges as i did face. Human rights abuse, structure abuse, and spirtual groups opression. And even that keep alife and clear about whyt is necessary on erath and on my path.

We know, to be indigo_crystal mean also to face the challenge of lving with this traits. Not the main pont to be systhem busters: 3D, social, organizations or spirtual systhems), but to create network, communicationa dn establish a new kind of way of living on erath based in every one individual awareness.

What i did realize by learning with many siritual groups, was that i was looking for a teaching, spiritual teaching, that could activate my inner power, that i could use to go a step forward.

What doeas it mean. not to become any other kind fo being but to grow up as the being i am.

For a while, many times i thought i found it. to later come to the point to find those teahcings and groups limitations and intent to use me for their own sake.

What i did arrive at the end was to few kind of spiritual teachings very similar to the words and nartural expression and free spirit indigos-crystals have...

But, for my surpirse, and thanks of being aare, what i found after was an undercover sectarian movement, that probably for normal human swill still look like a way of freedom, but for inidgo crystals will mean actually an opressive systhem of manipulation at highes level of consciousness .

I feel only Inidgo.crystals ussing their inner skilsl will realize those spirtual groups behaviro is actualyl asectarina nd dominating being sthat look for frreedom fo their minds. and beings.

Not all in life, as inidgo crystal knows, is obvious to the eyes or senses in 3D. When we we talk about teachings at the level of the body, energy and mind or inner being we need to realize that will be not that easy to recognize manipulation at the level of the mind or other subtil levels.

And actually, only if you wake up your reall inner capaity, yu will be able to survive those kind of meetings and confrontations.

Even when a group say they are not sectarian, and in the level of the material world and energy they dont look like sectarian, but in the level of the mind, the invisible power is actually dominating and acting as a sect.

who will realize that if is not a being who is aware at that level?

i feel there is a big challenge for inidgos-crystals at this time, still , even we experience ths shift very clear 9.9... we are now empowered. But at the same time, we need to realize, that eons of spiritual teachings have been offered on earth, and many teachers are still use to old ways of teaching and hidding knowldge to keep power.

Power and control probably was very necessary, ones, while darkness was very deep and agressive. Even the agression against awakening did happend and is still present even into the social structure and systhem, even at your own families,a nd schools even in between your own DNA, we need to recognize, that not all spirtual groups are aware really about the meaning and function of inidgos.crystals. and our present might become a meaning of: new frsh power on erath to be used.

That put us again in a very interesting situation: no one can tell us what to do, but we us, have to realize what to do accord to teh circusmtance we live.

Back to old ways of teaching, in my experience with some groups i found many important patterns of behavior, developed by them in order to control youth, skillfull students, that are atracted to them. I will list few, maybe one day this information will be usefull for you.

SG: spiritual group
IC: Inidgo-crystal

1. SG will use many energy techniques to overcharge the IC energy and body systhem, creating only temporary umbalance. Probably the IC will do after being exposed to teh SG some beahvior and awareness mistakes. Then SG wil use these emotional or body or beahvior or attitude or mind "mistakes" to say: you see, you are IG but not ready and not superioir, you did that fault, then now you have to follow us, we are superior. We will help you. Becouse otherwise you will harm more beings.

An example is when you feel gulty, the times you felt like you did something that harmed your environment or other people: IC are very sensitivy and carefull for othe beings and event in life.

Maybe was a kind of energy or midn prsence influencing your weak points of counsciousness.

We need to remember other spiritual beings and with high teachings, are notcarefull at all.

2. From the satte of mind in which good and bad are not real, SG at that high level of behvior will decide the IC are behaving looking for change of the planet, and that is a non sense attitude: then is necessary to educate IC to "dont care about the planet situation". to dnt wate their time.

Many explanantions about how the spiritual life have nothing to do with improvng worldy sirtuations will be offered to confuse probably the heart of IC.

3. From the state of mind in which all beings living in this universe are ignorant of their real nature, and condition of suffering. Knowing that the only freedom that make sense is the freedom of the total liberation of the state of samsara, and realizing the real nature.

SG will probably decide that you, IC, and your group, are still believing this universe is something real, and you waste your spirtual path by engaging on activities to save it/change it/spirtualize it.Becouse accord to their point of view, there is no sense to change or spirtualize ilussion.

What SG will do will be to try to conquer your mind, your energy and body, to avoid you to engage in your own inner path. Those SG are very powerfull, and learned along eons in the whole universe to COntrol other cultures and species, in orderto teach them and save them.

As you can ralize, is like a missionary, that force you to learn but not at the 3D obviously, but at the level of the mind.


There are many methods, techniques and powerfull states of mind, that are meant to free the mind of people and beings. But what measn freedom for every being taht relates to you, is the question you probably need to ask, (also to yourself), before you decide somethng is for you or not.

And if any way ouy want to learn, is important t tget envolve and be carefull, without being blind becouse you feel you like to belong to a group of strong people like you.

But what we need to ask ourselves is what do they want? from you, for themseves, for this planet?

maybe si something to learn. but will you be ready to change your whole life, and forget your own Indigo-crystal quest for the words and promesses and belives of others? I will eb carefull in your case.

I feel is very important in this time, that Indingos and crystals realize the complex situation you are now.

Is not only about changing structures in our world life systhem. that is, we can say under us, a the bottom line of work. but we should not loose the perspective that exist many spiritual groups that experience very high states of counscousiness that will not at all receive the indigo crystal waves as something positive, wise or necessary, but the opposite, and will try to care for their students as indigo-cyrtsls are a problem for them.

These SG might welcome come an invite you to learn, becouse consider you need it, becouse you are lost. And becouse if they show to their students why you arelost an your lack of knowledge then they will keep their students controlled.

Then, if you are oens in such kind of situation, just be yourself deeply, even you imagine there is abig mountain in front of you, remember you have power of all universes, and accessto your inner truth without need of any help.

So, not always a friendly invitation of a SG is a meaning of spiritual friendship

As you, many of you might know now: the word god, love, compassion, knowledge and freedom, have many meanings, and all as usual in the spirtual world dependes on the perspective you talk about, on the point of view.

SO even at the level of the most higehst teachings this might be for you indigos cyrstals a challenge.

My work along last years was to reasearch, learn and experience what the highest teachings in the world offer and how do they behave and relate to indigo crystals.

I was not at all sucessfull, i foudn many challenges and limits along last few years, fining myself in troubels with few of them. (But i know i am not the only one doing thi kind of work and others might come one day with their own knowledge and experience). When i found some risky limits and challneges, to say i found few groups taht are quite alot more powerfull and dangerous than many others. And will not easily accept inidgo-crystals to guide them fr an erath change, and to mirro their own ways again. They actually dont like to be dicovered, exposed in front of their students, their KNowledeg is many times simple mind and energ ymanipulation, and use also ignorance to create a kind of teaching.

In general igonrance and lack of common sense is dangerous.

But high spirtual beings, could try to act against your natural process of awakening.Considering are helping you.

Probably that is a challenge we ll need to face and thank for becouse then you will afce two possiboilities: or you wake up or you end up controlled and following somebody.

If you wake up your inne rpower, then i possible for you to colaborate and relate with other IC as a cultural expreson, of a new kind of vibration and collective awareness.

What i would like to do with this letter is to warn you. AT our forums we talk about many things, but we are losting the perspective many times about the seriuos stuation we are now.

Just read teh additional informaton i did list here and ask yourself about teh complex situation you are now. If you choose to imagine and bealive whyt people, beings, oracles say, or if you go on your own experience of teh world and inner heart and do whyt you are mean to be and do.

I wish many of you ready to react to this letter will take it as it is and try to be less innocent regards the new planet we live now.

a shift and change will hppend and we are here for that. but is not only about the worldy 3D structure, but also at highest levels we need to be aware.

And not all will be found in books to be readed....and just to read the signs of this time will not mean you really see whyt is going on... maybe teh ral action is more clsoe to you, in your own field of energy, mind, spirtual state of awakening. Maybe you can ask yourself why are you not more awake.

For sure, we need to realize, what means for us: help, and what might mean: "challenge". And i am talking not about the world that will change, but about the "partners, and spirtual friends" that help us o challenge us: abot those ones that dayly tell us:look for teh same we do look for.

What is my suggestion, is for you Indigo crystals to remember, :

>when you meet, inidgo crstals more clarity come to you
>when you identify your purpose and clarity inside yourself, that is more important than what ever being , in 3D or other dimenstions can communicate to you.
>If you are aware in the level of the body, energy mind and heart, then you might be able to be free.
>Freedom is a state of mind, but also is concrete experience of clarity (no blocks)
>try to gather, and empower the collective vibration you all share, by experiencing this collective inidgo-crystal counsciousness around the planet
>trust yourself, and be aware that ilussion in the body, mind energy and high spheres is always possible.
>what you like or dislike, doesnt mean is good/ not good, always, for you. Try to know more about why you act or react to something. avoid to be manipulated in your life when life gives you something you like ro dislike: ask yourself...then..what will be aked or happend to me after i accept or reject this. In general in a state of freedom you keep free and dont need to accept or reject anything at all.
>what you need, you know it inside yourself, no one can tell ou who you are and you need, from outside.Even if they can tell everything about yourlife...you only you know and have teh right toi decide whyt to do yourself.
>remember there are many people who like to give "Candy" to children, to atract them, with selfish purpose.


At the moment, i would like to share with you that the poblem is not about structures, ego, organizations, but about attitude.

Attitude not only of thsi world, but also of the inidgo-crystal generaion who identifies themselesva nd get also into the patterns of behavior and thinking of thsi world. maybe there is something else to do, learn, express that to follow a fight against to whyt this world express and do today.

As in aikido is expressed: if you fight against, you increase teh force against you. But if you center in your ral knowldege, the tiny force outside wlld espear and only your real power, love and compassion will get established.

How you relate to each other and the serious time you use to learn, what you learn and are interested to....

All is up to you, and for your all will be fine....

But for the oens that are ready to experience and learn and act with more complex situatiosn and consciousness,a nd ready to take reponsibility, and engage in concrete work, i would like to invite you to reflect about my words in this article, about your life and path.

at IS we have many generations, and is necessary for us, to know, adn understand, we all pass through different stages of development and awakening and understanding.

Wish you realize first the situation you are... and then also care for each other and colbaorate to each other.

MAybe many complex dialogs should be held carefully. and newbbies need to care also about their own limits, curiosiy and 3D capacity to be free, and spiritual undertsanding, and be very critical about the world, own behavior and own situation and needs.

We need to be faster and inteligent. Not always easy. I know myself is not easy, and not always perfect. But keep still doing it

Probably the myths of origens of the inidgos crystals might be right, and as many did read already, might not be easy, to face again the patterns of our behvaior and tendences to cut processes and avoid confrontation. But will be necessary to stand the process and realize which position we will take on this planet and what will be your work.

In general i would like to say, it doesnt matter what you will do as indigo crystal so far you keep yourself related to the whole indigo crystal wave.

We all are different and unique and each of us or many of us as groups will manifest a variety of functions

soon, we will experience a new way of self organization. and few will represent your needs, intentioisna dn interests, but your own inner and outer individual work and walk in your own path will be the only one that will make concrete changes, and bring to the world what you will bring to erath yourself.

Information References:

Myths about indigo crystals

are you indigo

Emotionla and images memories or conditioning?


which are teh limits, experience living abroad travling, experience of human rights abuse, and spirtual groups abuse

http://indigosociety.com/far-can-we-...nce-t2052.html

[EnemyAtLineSix]

LOLOL @ that title "vs"

dude you talk about unity and then put vs.
let me tell you something
"indigo""crystal""octariane""source""Stan" whatever name you want to put to it doesnt make any bit of difference between people and teachings
since spiritual teachings are just that, and yes they require their own discernment as to what the information is, and yes everyone has their own spiritual achievement, understanding lessons whatever , perfection and perception. man this board is boring the piss out of me with some of the posts.

[Indigo Traveler]

LOLOL @ that title "vs"

dude you talk about unity and then put vs.
let me tell you something
"indigo""crystal""octariane""source""Stan" whatever name you want to put to it doesnt make any bit of difference between people and teachings
since spiritual teachings are just that, and yes they require their own discernment as to what the information is, and yes everyone has their own spiritual achievement, understanding lessons whatever , perfection and perception. man this board is boring the piss out of me with some of the posts.

Thank you!

The "VS" helped you to have a look on the thread or actually suggested you dont ahve to read it.?

VS is a word. thats all.

Spirtual teachings are not about information, but experience and diferent states of mind and being.

Unity is a very romantic concept.

Unity is still looked by muslims, cristians, budhists....

All of them have some how also access and own spirtual teachings.

So, we can take very valuable thing from them, but i will be carefull how i use the word unity as well.

Unity is also looked by and was looked for by Magno, Rome, Inkas, 3rd reich, China, and others....

Can we learn something about here too?

Even i agree the highest experience of self realization might be the same for every being, based on the sense that we all do share same nature. I am not sure at all that every path brings you to that high state, nither that the "idea" of unity will help you along any of those paths. A path is not information, is a sucession fo experiences that helps your mind and being to wake up all your potentility. This sucession fo experiences is designed in a way that you wake up in certain process and with some base and you willa riive some where.

Becouse is designed, have alos a certain point of view and conditioning.

But until we arrive there, i just a something we do "asume", that is the same final state for every being, and ta that state we can call UNITY.

UNITY....To asume INkas, Rome, Magno, and others were good people, is a matter of history you did learn, not a fact for all small cultures and people killed and considered less important, less evolved or developed.

If we react so emotional for every word we read, instead of reading the text properly, that will not help us at all to exchange experience and information.

No ones of your words, did respect or aknowledge my experience, you neither recognize that your individual indigo experience is as valuable as mine, or that you have no possibility to judge how truthfull is my experience when you just assume your have more clarity to consider i am not right.

Never get bored.

The question is how far you want to go trying to find out about the Indigo-Crystal experience and quest you have?

As you said, inidgo, crystal are just words, but...then why are you here? words doesnt change people or mind neither make from you somebody different.

there si something else, why people is participatig in IS, and why you write here too.

Spirituality have nothing to do with deciding intelectually or information based, what is possible or not. I m sure will be wise to have a look in all possibilties, or at least to find out : if you do some steps forward, whyt will happed with all the house you builded, of truths basedon information, wishes, imaginationa nd dreams you have.

Probably somewhere, in apoint in your path, you might ralize all consurructions of the mind are not valuable any more.

My question finally in this article, is...do exist an indigo spirtual path? Is that something we do offer as a path? or until now are our experiences of awakening something will happend only to inigos, and i mean spontaneusly.... becouse until now, thats how it is. Whyt ever reasons there are for this spontenaus awakening, it has to do with our "indigo inner conditions", the one that make it possible for us... to experience and know as inidgo know.

As usual, to us the word inisgo crystal, is just a help, becouse that word probably doesnt belong to the real source "inisgo crystal have"

What i feel is that the indigo experince is not only the AURA or VIBRATION we "inidigos" have, but also the qulity of its source, intention and behavior. And more o less i assume, that the clarity and influence inisgos bring to the world, §D or spirtual movement, means a change of structures.

But then, again.... will eb teh people ready for that?

Then, what happend when you are at the top of the teachings experience, in any religion or spirtual group you visit. Will be up there all fine or will you be asked to change, and not be "inidgo anymore"....

for teh oens who did arrive to that situation, i would like to know how their experience was...i said EXPERIENCE, maybe can share with me whyt you guys did and how did you react and face exchange and or judgement or discrimination from spirtual groups.

Maybe you can read teh article wrote again.

[EnemyAtLineSix]

all i have to say is you're funny.

im on the top of mountains looking down at valleys bro.
and thats a metaphor

[Indigo Traveler]

not always to think you are "up" the small hill, is better... maybe teh sun doesnt help you to see the stars

there are always higher places from where to see, and beigns up there too, but i am interested in deeper and truthfull places.....

i might be worry in your case, please try to talk to us about your concrete experiences, instead of only judging or writting that others are not right....

what for light can you offer to us, on the context of this thread, that is more concrete than to only use the BIG word UNITY?

maybe you can offer something, we dont know.

[EnemyAtLineSix]

of course there are always higher places to go, it wasnt a small hill either
it was by far thie biggest mountain ive ever been on, with a tiny little valley from the way i saw it. i have dreams of water running while im doing other things.
i also meditate in the astral plane

i offer plenty of light thank you, my own kind of light whether you see that or not is your choice your perception, im not going to sit here and try to convince you of anything, thats not my thing to convince anyone of anything, only to say what it is i know, and what i see and how my perception is, so again, i offer plenty.

[Indigo Traveler]

Well, so fgar i remember, you are not really getting into many teachings, learning with others, but more with yourself.

that i like very much.

this thread i did open, becouse i realize how difficut could eb sometimes when you learn with other spirtual groups...so i donrt know if this thread is realted to yoru practical concrete experience...where everyour place of observationa nd energy quality is now, and how ever high you feel you are...

as you said, that are relative perceptions, of our selves and others. not much sense to discuss about...

What i am interesting in, is to find out similar experiences or teh opposite, how other inidgos reacted on similar situations: learning with other spirtual groups, wht happened with them, if were kind fo confrontation or discrimination or manipulation...as i did experience in some cases, and how inidgos-crystals did overcome the agression.

i think thsi exchaneg will eb mportant, for sure for me, but also for others in similar situations, dont you think?

[EnemyAtLineSix]

yeah ive always experienced that kind of happening
but its always provided for a solid learning experience
everything makes you stronger, but to DEPEND on a spiritual resource for SPIRITUALITY eh.

[EnemyAtLineSix]

i have a lot of solid experiences with drug use too which also lead to me searching as well.
plus meditating at the age of 5 really helps too

[Indigo Traveler]

did you ever try o learn any ting with a spirtual group? how was your experience there?

[EnemyAtLineSix]

there really has never truly been a GROUP persay where i could learn things
i mean i got the chance to learn once with people who were older , MUCH older than i was, and it only went as far as it was allowed to, and MANY blessings to them for that. and the experience was an awakening haha...

so far i have yet to have the GROUP you speak of, which would be an enlightening thing to experience, something i rather seek actually, where i could in turn really up the anty on things you know.

[Indigo Traveler]

Sure, i feel not everybody will need or have to find one, but just talking about ym experience, was very important for me to notice i am awake and know, at certain level, and to have a mirror of myself....

what i am realyl able to do....

i am not talking about competition, but about knowing myself and challenging mysefl with people that say is very skillfull or have higher knowledge....

Later i did realize i had to learn, to be here, on a practical context....

but more than learn from them, rad bok, or have information, i had to wake up myself at the levels i needed. Or realize i am awake there already, spontaneusly.

some tme we consider dalai lama a great enlightened person...but what you know about his dayly challenges....mybe are similar to you...

i will be carefull soemtimes to put people, traditoions, spiritual groups very high up....

not at this time

[childofone]

you write funny ;p

[childofone]

Am I reading it right, is so long and incoherent that I didn't reread it, but you seem to fear other religions abusing indigos/crystals?
I feel that a time of the merging of tradtional religions is upon us, and the indigos are ushering that time in for those not as spiritually evolved.
True indigos, and especially crystal spirits, should be very aware of this manipulation you speak of. Just my two cents...Not worth much more than face value.
peace be with you sir

[greygoose]

I gained much spiritual knowledge. Not once was it taught to me. I tapped into it. It can't be taught just discussed which is the purpose of this board. Not to teach but to discuss each other personal journeys. When some starts teaching I stop listening right away.