Natural Enemies - does indigo/crystal have natural enemies?

[Indigo Traveler]

What a question?

As you know is not in my way to create war or opposition. But as the tiger when hungry will hunt rabbits, i go for concrete reality not only good intentions and nice big words

I reamember i did ready this thread talking about what i cal a myth, something one ORacle/medium said: about inidgos comming from a place in another galaxy, and a process of conflict with some other kind of beings.

I made a link here about these myths.

On the other side, i always hear, here and there, about natural enemies: this beings are doing that againts indigos, those want to control society...i heard many names about all kind of beings from angels, to ETs, to green snakes, to iluminati, to many...against indigos and crystal, but still not many concrete examples or cases...beside few i know from IS members and mine

In my experience i found into my own family and into spirtual groups, many individuals who were tottaly against my own development and what i am meant to do, what i know about my self.

I find many reasons from that, from cultural conditioning to spiritual ignorance to really spiritual agression, to side effects of DNA transformation.

Many old members of spirtual groups could not stand: i could read an feel their mind, intentions and emotions clearly, and knew they had double intentions along their spirtual studies, wekenesses, and challenges, as like ego, selfish , wish of power, greed and so on.. they could not manage to live in a transparent world

it took a while until i could really accept this happend, and notice these spirtual groups were full of such people, that created corruption and unhealthy spirtual studies places....

even i met teachers that used this unhealthy environment and people to teach, but also to manipulate people for own sake

I feel the highest conflict i had was with the dzogchen people, (they say...) who are like the highest spirtual teaching before the budha, and they say is present in all the world and galaxy in many ways, not always that name, but take many forms, not only budhist.(in general a state of mind beyound any good or evil, where no duality exist and where there is no limits, everything experienced is relative, and there is no need to do any change at all, and all other beings are meant to be conquered, becouse lives in ignorance)

The main problem were old people, who had own challenges and could not accept new young people knowing better and doing faster what to do, or having natural skills and spontaneus acces to knowledge and experiences....they could not just accept and be happy such kind of beings exist...they neded to keep a position to instruct every new one comming.......but this was teh surface...something else was moving behaind regards to indigos really, and when i did discover that i just be clear with them they should not treat inidgos and youth that way, but they didint want to hear, or wanted just to use me by saying: we hear you, but actually never, no change happend. then i did leave.

I cannot imagine indigos or crystal participating in that groups, when the common is to say: "here we study freedom", but at the same time a great conditioning is forced on begginers, no doubt about the teacher, always do and only do what teachers want, and alot of mind and energy agression between students, and hideen manipulation of spirtual practices and rituals as an agressive hidden act against new skillsfull young students...

just to hope and believ or create in your mind the idea of high spirtual people doesnt make them spirtuall or high or better...sometimes we just create good ones at places and people are not.

For me was hard to proccess.

Is possible i just made a doubt in my mind about the reality i did experience, i just created an excuse: "that swiss and italian culture where that way, oppresive, naturally, an not teh spritual group i was". But then what happend..."i realized that i was not wrong, that the opression and intent to control any new students with skills, or money or property was very present and even into the whole systhem of spirtual education.

I saw and experience these groups welcome "their enemies", becouse they espect to transform you and control you along the way, becouse they believe you are wrong or losted...and the best way to care for you is to push you , re educate your mind and controoll you, until you accept what they teach to you is the correct thing.

I am afraid that people with skills like NLP, hypnossys, and others long distance methods, like reiki, might some times develop also kind of controlling/power intentions over indigos. Why? maybe becouse cannot handle the truth that inidgos mirror to them. Maybe they just want to avoid to see the MIRROR indigos create for them: " an invitation for them to see themselves as they really are...." this experience they dont want, there for, instead of seeing themselves they intent to control, and ridicule or delete whyt indigos show...and later also delet indigos mind and spirtua power....I really feel many intent to assimilate indigos in order to avoid to change themselves.

If that happend with individuals in spiritual groups, i wonder what could happend in society.

Please see assimilation thread.
I am very courious wich information, you can bring about this topyc, natural enemies....

many indigo, crystals still see the situation as a kind of war....from my side, i recognize is a great effort. and opposition exists in concrete ways up to the point of agression and human rights violation

Maybe you can bring soem concrete examples of what you consider indigos.crystal natural enemies?

Understanding Indigos and crystals in general as a race or culture or any other source or collective identity, as you like (please explain).

for some caases of hard life inidgos experience you can also have a look at this thread

[EnemyAtLineSix]

no on is an enemy.

[defuzz]

if / then
enemy is on the inside and will be fed back in the 3d.
spiritual mobsters will assimilate what is possible, secular gangstas will take what they think should be theirs.
do not make it possible, do not make it theirs.
purge that investment from yourself.
if you tremble they will jump for it and there will be a they.

ultimately I think this is the point of being your own autorithy.
abundance is within me so i don't have to figth for it.
assimilation will then be forgiveness.

edit:
in the beginning a versus is fed
in the end you choose not to radiate as opponent any longer
and your of that map.

[Indigo Traveler]

I like very much the feeling of "no enemies"

I remember ones one of the main leaders of this Dzogchen group was starting a gossip i was their enemy, just becouse few times i thought i didint agree on whyt he was suggesting, becouse it didint made sense to me....but i did nothing else, to get an enemy title.

Later i was wondering why people start calling enemies to peoplethat just have another kind of experience of the world....later i did realize this man was really doing everything possible to make from em an enemy, provoicating em and trying to produce events, that he could make me an enemy....

until today, the last letter i sent before i left teh group was suggesting them to improve a couple of aspects of their group and own attitude. I dont feel like they are enemies, but what to do if they present themeselves as enemies?

I feel also teh batle is inside yurself, and that i how really is.I felt that very clear along last few weeks.

But again, whyt should ido if suddenly ina street in germany i meet a skin head taht wants to harm me...there ar stil many concrete experiences in this world...i might be carefull.

I started the thread not to go on law vibration or attitude, but to open up the thema, and find out how other inidgos and crystals react or expereinced confrontation with "real or not" enemies.

[EnemyAtLineSix]

anyone smart doesnt react, they just act.

[Indigo Traveler]

smart.... intelligenece is not a theme...no time to ask yourself if they are intellignt or not....

when you are under atack....you need to worry about being inteligent and fast yourself....

but i understand whyt you mean...probably i am now too much into the action field.....

[EnemyAtLineSix]

is your picture your alter ego?

[Carnage]

Yin Yang - there always will be opposites so yeh, doesnt mean they are bad or evil

[Belobog]

Just Kidding

[Roier]

I have just posted this on the threath HSP vs Indigos.

I am too lazy to writte it again because it fits. So I will just copy edit paste. CEP.

We are all one only being, the same beam of light, meeting again and again trought time and backs like a fibonacci spiral.

At least I picture the idea, makes me dizzy, but has not end. hehehe.

All connected.

So, why not?.

Different Stages of this same being.

Imagine a Universe with no matter, only light in it.

All black holes are full of pure trapped light and no matter, that some day will reach its freedom.

At least makes sense for me.

OK, mostly CP.

[Roier]

And Freedom will be matter.

[scorpio30]

Our war is againts the Illuminatti and the New World Order.....thats for sure

[EnemyAtLineSix]

HELLL YEAHthe darklords aka, the annunaki

[dEE]

Hi..

I'm Dee .

Do you believe that some of you in this community? or some of you with the indigos around the world are connected in someway? I have felt it to someone that I just known in this community. I'm so amazed and suprising. What about you? I think the connected its not only like or dislike; loved and hated but also the intimate connection that you cant pronounce in words. I dislike a gut here, without knowing him. And I like and adore a guy him, just by seeing his words and eyes. I dont even know him (u know who u are )

Thank you all...thank you for the community who has teaching me so well.
I'm glad can met you all here.

shinning and happiness to all .


xoxo
dEE

[ZZ23]

everything has its opposites- without that there is no "true" balance-- lets think for a while what are out there truly metaphysically that we can prove-- ther are demons- and angels a god and an anti god of sorts-- everthing has a balance-- there are others a people like ours who thier whole intent is to stop us the "first" of the children of the light-- or variations- it can come from anybody who is possesed- or well, another group--

i used to dream about something when i was younger, a people that were gifted like i was-- but seemed to constantly have a black aura-- i didnt realize it at first-- but as time moved on, all i could feel from them was negative- as compared to my white aura surronding me- which is annoyingly cheerful to most people that are around me-- i ended up calling these people the children of the night, or dark- it made since to me theyre auras were black-- and they seemed to have a void that surrounded them-- so that is what i have called them--- i have only in this life met two of them-- they seem to try constantly try to argue with me- funny thing, hard to beat a 3rd in the state debater, at what he loves to do, argue-lol- even when he changes his mind to argue against something he believes-- lol-- socratic seminar-- devils advocate--hehhehehe

[Indigo Traveler]

is your picture your alter ego?

you mean older ego?

[defuzz]

alter ego

[Indigo Traveler]

everything has its opposites- without that there is no "true" balance-- lets think for a while what are out there truly metaphysically that we can prove-- ther are demons- and angels a god and an anti god of sorts-- everthing has a balance-- there are others a people like ours who thier whole intent is to stop us the "first" of the children of the light-- or variations- it can come from anybody who is possesed- or well, another group--

Ones i heard about a state in which any demon, angel or beings you realte to or experience in your mind, is actually there becouse is also a manifestation of your mind

IN all possibilities, everything is manifested from teh same nature.

When we fight or fear anything, probably we just fear a tiny part of ourselves, of our possibility, and give power to it.

I feel nay body can play in the dark, but only few can transform it and free it into active creative and pure light

Remmber that wen all light coulours come toghether we have the black one.

Void and balck could be an experience also of high energy, i remember that commentary from a reiki teacher, who experience it as a very complex eneergy field....

In aikido you experience also teh dark HAdo, as a possibility and only very good and well trained people can manage it...becouse means toi transfrom hard compex "law" energies, thata re very powerfulland normally can dominate you. Then you need to compost them, and thats not easy always...

Any way....

I also agree we are just one manifestationwe all...

And the game we are in i just like the fun of realizing our true spirituality. origen.

Any wy, in this game, the beings play many roles, and soem times, some change roles too, while developing their own paths.... in any case i try to be aware, but nowadays i feel there is no need to accept any pain any more, but create also some bounderies.

I just read you talking about the Dark lords, like the siths from star wars. But notice they take their power from suffering, and hate...destructive emotions.... i know a toattyl realized being have no judgement beween good or evil, destructive or constructive, law or high, hate or love, is dfunyn o say it that way...but we are still thinking and pointing on dualistic thinking....

That giv us some week points, regards the beings that doesnt cosnider dualistic point of view....

In any case, i think even beyond dulity, is also the concrete world necessary to be considered and experienced, even a no duality point of view, i realize the game and roles beings take, and confrontation happend some how....

my experience

i also dont like to see enemies around, but different ways, intentions and point of view, but actually one destination....beyond time

[Indigo Traveler]

Hi..

I'm Dee .

Do you believe that some of you in this community? or some of you with the indigos around the world are connected in someway? I have felt it to someone that I just known in this community. I'm so amazed and suprising. What about you? I think the connected its not only like or dislike; loved and hated but also the intimate connection that you cant pronounce in words. I dislike a gut here, without knowing him. And I like and adore a guy him, just by seeing his words and eyes. I dont even know him (u know who u are )

Thank you all...thank you for the community who has teaching me so well.
I'm glad can met you all here.

shinning and happiness to all .


xoxo
dEE

Thanks to you for shinning here with us, and for reminding us that the intimacy connection exist and we all experience it...is i think, a side, joyfull, connecting, effect,.... a home feeling...

[Indigo Traveler]

alter ego

do you mean wiki ego!