How do You Define Equality?

[Juice]

Peace.

[BMoody]

There is a lot of wisdom in what you just said, my friend. A lot of wisdom.

[Patryc]

the way I see it is :

we are all equal in love and light (capacity)

it is up to our free will as to how we use it

then there is resonance which is what attracts souls to each other, I guess this is a spiritual equality

[Juice]

Peace.

[Patryc]

this is capacity I'm talking about

how many people do you know who use their full capacity / potential

we all have a tendency to filter depending on the fears we install in ourselves

if you see someone do something yes you are capable of it no matter what you believe. It's actually your beliefs that you cant do it that limit you. If you truly want to and have that desire then you will do it I feel..

I'm not really referring to the sun here

[BMoody]

"But for me EVERY ONE, comes froma very special place and EVERYONE, is beatifull divine beings of magnificance, and ALL, are very specail in what they do and stand for."

Does special equate to good?

And, if everyone is "beautiful" and "magnificent" then that must include people like Jeffrey Dahmer, Idi Amin Dada, the current regime in Sudan, Milosevich, Hitler, Goebels, Dr. Mengele, Stalin and Lenin, Pol Pot, Mao Tse Deng, Franco, Il Duce, Rumsfeld, Karl Rove, Himself, Joe MacCarthy, Julius Caesar, Various Popes, Nero, All the Anarchists, etc, etc, etc.

Or did I misunderstand?

[Juice]

Peace.

[Patryc]

hehe - well those people have been shaped by their experience and hence they have limited their light/love with their fears and beliefs.

I'm not saying what I'm saying is 100% correct but it is my understanding and that is what I am sharing with you

[Juice]

Peace.

[Patryc]

indeed

you'd need to be in a permanent trace state I guess

lol

bring on the cactus

[Juice]

HAHA,
Cactus Love

[sshenry]

According to the Tao, all things spring from one source. The source is all powerful and can be used in whatever way one wishes (good/evil, light/dark, male/female). If we can get beyond our superficial layers - we find out that at the core of our beings we are all the same.

Just another view.

[psuedo-judo]

relativistically

[BMoody]

Gigggles your good with the short and curly questions Babara.

What I meant was EVERYONE comes from a very special place . where they first sprang from. Now in my personal beleaf, I dont agree that there was inherint evil, meaning, and the beginning of this creation and all creations,at the first creation of souls, spirit, etc, there was no evil. That came later.

In my veiw, All beings will return to the begining at the end of it all, which is really the begining.

So yes, at the begining ,which is also the end, all beings are GOOD.

Do you get my meaning?

Light and Love to ALL.

Yes. I do get your meaning. But, I would add one more thing, if you don't mind? I believe that in the begining all beings are neutral (or indifferent) and it is up to us as incarnates to make our personal choices as far as morality is concerned. IOWs We created morality. It is not innate in us. We are the philosophers, we are the creators of our own dreams and our own rules to live by as a gregarious species.

"To love, or not to love
ah, that is the question.
Whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of the nasty among us or, to take arms against a sea of troubles and by opposing, end them"

[Juice]

Peace.

[BMoody]

Sure ,I don't mind Babara , I find it interesting all the differant views everyone has, so I would never oppose or discourage any one from sharing there spiritual views and personal truths.

I actualy do feel there are neautral beings in the creation, and there was some from the beginning of soul clusters, like some soul clusters where neautral in energy,I feel in this creation there are also other genders other than male and female that are Neutral, and there are Neutral Beings that have nothing to do with gender.

For me I don't feel all beings where neautral in energy at the beginning, but agree with what you said about our choices, in that, I see, choices is how we grow.

It would take to many words to really explain in a good way my meaning, but I will try with a few.

For me, the true beginning of divine energy and its source come from before this creation was created, the creation we all live in, and everything is this creation has its beginning/ending there. Then when this creation was created (a cake is a good way to see it, or a cd with 7 songs.) a cake with 7 slices, those 7 slices being differant units of consciousness,diffrant frequencys of energys, levels of awareness etc, we on earth, are in the first cake peace, and cake peaces 2,3,4,5,6,7, are all much higher in consciousness, energy and awareness. like going from cake slice 1 to 7 the energy/frequecny/awarness gets higher at each slice. We exist in all those 7 cake peaces at the same time, not every one has a higher self in a "body" in all seven slices of the cake peace, but every one has a name and a higher self in all 7 slices,etc..

So a person could be on earth, but also be a ArchAngel in a higher cake peace like world 3 for example . all exsisting and liveing at the same time.

For me the true beginning /ending is energy of such high divine frequecny, much much higher than the highest world and highest evolved being in the blue creation. and ALL is present there, True oneness.

Creation love

I'm trying to make sure I get your meaning, here. I think you're saying that we each exist on various levels at the same time. Is that right? Is that the gist of what you're saying?

If so, that takes me back to some of the old ideas about what the dream-time really is... Am I more alive when I'm awake or when I'm dreaming? Is this material world the real world or is it the dream and when I think I'm dreaming I am actually awake and alive in another reality. Whoa! It gets really wild, here. Am I a woman dreaming I'm a butterfly or am I a butterfly dreaming I'm a woman? Oh, no. That's not right. I am actually both a butterfly and a woman at the same time...but, the butterfly part of me is only going to live three days so I'd better get a move on or ...or...Wait a minute. Three days for a butterfly is a whole lifetime for a woman....Wow! Ain't it a pain? But, this is the spice of life, huh?

It's a little hard to take you're cake analogy, though. Personally, I'd rather eat the cake than be the cake. But, that's just me.

I've had dreams in which I am conversing with someone who is very important to me in the dream then in real life, sometimes many years later, I meet that person and I recognize him and he recognizes me and we talk like we'd known each other forever...ooops! We have known each other forever! I forgot.

Forgotten Love,

Barb

[Patryc]

hehe yep ur definitely both

we all got a butterfly in our neck called the thyroid :P

[Juice]

Peace.

[Juice]

Peace.

[BMoody]

Thank you for your kewl sence of humour.


I'm trying to make sure I get your meaning, here. I think you're saying that we each exist on various levels at the same time. Is that right? Is that the gist of what you're saying?


Yes thats the gist. I was getting at.

Yep your dreaming thing is preety kewl to me, and I sort of see it that way. Like you could go to sleep here and then be awake as a butterfly or beatifull angel or light being in another reality, or you could if you knew what you was, before you went to sleep here, send your soul to a particular reality/world there while you sleeped here,and even ask for some memory to come back here so you remember it.


Futher expansion on the creation cake of 7 peaces/worlds analogy,is, the topping, like the cake decorations. is like ones total self, the combined total awarness of all ones higher selves in the creation worlds 1 to 7, giggles . I call the world that higher self is in, world 8, hehehehe.


For myself in meditation, even reaching out with the thought in meditation, "I want to connect with my name or higher self in world 2(for example), is very expanding for me,much energy I experiece. but I wouldnt like in meditation try and connect with a few worlds in one sitting,like try and connect with world 2 then world 3, giggles, other wise it gets way to confuesing and weird. (and yes I have tried it and it was way to weird heheh)


Interesting you mention the Butterfly, I have been taught, that the Butterfly is one of the symbols that represents Mother God, and the Dove one of the Symbols that represents Father God. many on earth, I found only speak of Father God, like male God, like most only conenct with that. So for me when i work with and connect with Mother God, many butterflys end up flying around my house, and if I am outside they come and fly around. So I sort of pay extra attension to the feelings of energy when Butterflys are around, hehehe.

Actualy with that thoguht I might go for a walk in anture and look for soem butterflys, hehehe/

Yes I have had such dreams also that you mention and then years later meet the person, it is inetresting huh. life can be so full of suprises and msyterys .

Butterfly Love

hey, Juice? You're in California, right? Us Californians have been the butt of the world's jokes for so long...flaky, fruity Californians! hahahahaha

If I were a fruit, I think I'd be a pecan; hard on the outside but sweet and crunchy on the inside.

Anyway....All the world's a symbol! And all the symbols sing different songs to different people, except when we're talking archetypes, though. Yes, some would say the Butterfly is a symbol of The Mother, and the Dove a symbol of The Father. It saddens me, too, to hear that so many people, Christians, Muslims, Jews, seem to think that God is a Man. They are the people who have created a God in their own images.

I have lived through the best and the worst of the Women's Movement. But, no matter what else it was it was a turning point. And, it was prophesied that it would happen. It was prophesied that us girls are going to rule the world in the coming age. They said that. Really!

We have just made a leap from an un-balanced-male-centered age into a slightly more-balanced-female-centered age. But, actually, we're kind of on the edge looking down...the two ages are over-lapping right now. Female energies are going to help get us through the next couple of thousand years, if enough of us make it over that edge, that is. But, as long as the two ages are over-lapping, there is going to be alot of nasty sh*t to go through. That's happening right now all over the world.

(I don't know why I just said all that. It was just what came out...kind of like a cough, you know? )

Love ya,

Barb