Today's Election (7th Nov)

[prometheus]

I'm not American, can anyone explain to me the implications of today's election?

[Electra]

I'm not American, can anyone explain to me the implications of today's election?

Dear Prometheus I don't know what you are asking exactly, but here is my take---It is a third dimensional game in which there are alleged opponents, both of which are really on the same side.

People run to the voting booths with the idea that they are "doing something" or "preventing something" and when they get there booths are either broken or "fixed".

Someone wins, someone loses and The System remains in tact.

That is just my view. I know others feel this is an important priviledge...that in totalitarian regimes would not be permitted. And that I have forgone my freedom and duty as an American citizen.

Today, I just don't feel like "playin'" anymore.

Maybe by the presidentials I will feel different. We will have to wait and see.

[prometheus]

Well I don't know how your system works, so I'm doing a tiny research. I didn't even know what were you voting on! And then I hear something about Bush, that the results of these votes will determine if he keeps the presidency. I found that you'll make your presidential votes on 2008 and then found this:

Americans are going to the polls in midterm elections that will determine the balance of power in the U.S. Congress, and early exit polls suggest that corruption is the top issue on voters' minds.

The national exit polls also showed that voters had more than just local issues in mind, with 62 percent saying that national issues made the biggest difference with their votes and 33 percent citing local issues.

On CNN International, I see those graphs on balance power between democrat and republican. I don't understand nothing of these politics. Don't know what makes a republican and a democrat.

So my question was what will these polls really determine, regarding Bush or what will happen in a perspective of power in your country.

[DFischer]

Democrats lean towards the left (radical)

Republicans lean towards the right (conservative)

Each have a different personality in how they see politics and pass laws. (Domination of the house)

The domination of the house is based on the ratio of democrats to republicans in the house. Meaning more democratic laws would get passed if they have the majority of the body.

Right now it's in the republican's favor, if the democrats take over many things will change in terms of laws. But since it's not more than 2/3's then it's not really going to cause any radical changes. This is because the president can veto each law and that requires 2/3 of the house to pass it. So it would also require the opposite parties vote for it to pass, if veto'd.

Make a bit more sense?

All it is, is basically law.

[Kristofori]

Dear Prometheus I don't know what you are asking exactly, but here is my take---It is a third dimensional game in which there are alleged opponents, both of which are really on the same side.

People run to the voting booths with the idea that they are "doing something" or "preventing something" and when they get there booths are either broken or "fixed".

Someone wins, someone loses and The System remains in tact.

That is just my view. I know others feel this is an important priviledge...that in totalitarian regimes would not be permitted. And that I have forgone my freedom and duty as an American citizen.

Today, I just don't feel like "playin'" anymore.

Maybe by the presidentials I will feel different. We will have to wait and see.

Interesting take on it all. I just didn't feel like voting, couldn't really put into words why I felt like that, but now I think this explanation will suffice.

[leroyskagnetti]

If Democrats take over the American congress it makes it quite a lot easier to Impeach (remove) the Cowboy, George W. Bush.

[Addis]

Democrats lean towards the left (radical)

Republicans lean towards the right (conservative)

if radical is another word for liberal, then yes.

liberals, in general, lean more towards a socialistic governing plan. They are for higher taxes, but with those taxes come health care plans and a more reliable social security for everybody. A democrat believes in a strong federal government, leaving less up to the individual states to govern themselves, but leave more power to the people to make their own big decisions. Abortion is a perfect example of this.

conservatives are generally anti-federalism, and believe that the national government should mind its own business, and each state should be able to run its self. They generally believe in lowering taxes and financial individuality. This is where you hear the phrase "the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer."

George got alot of his votes from people in the upper tax brackets. The irony of this, is that the people in the lower tax brackets out number the higher-tax bracket people by a huge percentage. Bush probably wouldn't have been elected again if all of the people who said "1 vote doesn't make a difference" got their ****ing a**es out and voted. Appathy will be the death of this nation.

I realize that it does seem futile to vote. All of our candidates are groomed with a fine pick comb, but it comes down to choosing the lesser of two evils. I'm sure if there would have been a "hanging chad" problem in any other state besides Florida, where good old brother Bush governed, W. Bush wouldn't have been elected in the first place. But to think that all elections are rigged is a very pesimistic view for our nation.

America might not be the best place to live, but you're living here, so you might as well try to make a difference in the way it is run. Isn't that the point in this website anyway? Get everybody together who can and do make a substantial difference in the vibration of mass consciousness. It seems like we should be doing everything we can.

/rant

-Addis

oh man... this like like my 4th post. you guys are going to hate me

[Kristofori]

I don't hate you, Addis.

You bring up some valuable points, and I would agree, if I believed the country was running the way it should be.

I believe there's more behind the curtain of secrecy than we know. People give Bush Jr. too much credit. He's just for show, I don't think he makes any decisions. Leave the bashing for the Bilderbergers and the other secret establishments that now have control of the polls and the government.

But that's just my take. I would have never believed it until I saw and read things concerning it. (And I've done a lot of reading on the matter.)

Cue the flames.

[Addis]

I don't hate you, Addis.

You bring up some valuable points, and I would agree, if I believed the country was running the way it should be.

I believe there's more behind the curtain of secrecy than we know. People give Bush Jr. too much credit. He's just for show, I don't think he makes any decisions. Leave the bashing for the Bilderbergers and the other secret establishments that now have control of the polls and the government.

But that's just my take. I would have never believed it until I saw and read things concerning it. (And I've done a lot of reading on the matter.)

Cue the flames.

I actually completely agree with you on this one... but like I said, I think it comes down to choosing the lesser of two evils. I'd say its about time for another american revolution, but I think the world wide revolution will come before we even get a following

[prometheus]

if radical is another word for liberal, then yes.

liberals, in general, lean more towards a socialistic governing plan. They are for higher taxes, but with those taxes come health care plans and a more reliable social security for everybody. A democrat believes in a strong federal government, leaving less up to the individual states to govern themselves, but leave more power to the people to make their own big decisions. Abortion is a perfect example of this.

conservatives are generally anti-federalism, and believe that the national government should mind its own business, and each state should be able to run its self. They generally believe in lowering taxes and financial individuality. This is where you hear the phrase "the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer."

Thanks for that light, I feel more informed!

I'm in favour of a government who serves the people, being the power within the people. People should be making their own decisions and not give away all their power to a government.

Btw, I do think Bush is a puppet.

Even if the government is corrupt, I think you should vote. It's worse if you don't make your choice. Can't you vote blank? If you can't even choose the lesser of two evils, like Addis says, vote blank, but vote.

This is something I learned with my father, and I strongly agree with him because I see his point and he's very right. I add that it's not about being just a good citizen, it's about making yourself known to have a voice and a stand/choice in the country you live in. Voting is not just a duty, it's a right. It's a right to own our power.

Whenever a person doesn't vote, that person his giving away his/her power. In that way, one can't complain about an elected candidate when one doesn't vote.

I strongly urge everyone here to please not feel offended by what I said, since this is something that can lead to self-guilt. It's not my purpose for anyone to feed negative feelings about oneself, not by a million miles. Everyone is responsible by their own thoughts and feelings and no external sources should have that responsibility.

[Electra]

if radical is another word for liberal, then yes.

liberals, in general, lean more towards a socialistic governing plan. They are for higher taxes, but with those taxes come health care plans and a more reliable social security for everybody. A democrat believes in a strong federal government, leaving less up to the individual states to govern themselves, but leave more power to the people to make their own big decisions. Abortion is a perfect example of this.

conservatives are generally anti-federalism, and believe that the national government should mind its own business, and each state should be able to run its self. They generally believe in lowering taxes and financial individuality. This is where you hear the phrase "the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer."

George got alot of his votes from people in the upper tax brackets. The irony of this, is that the people in the lower tax brackets out number the higher-tax bracket people by a huge percentage. Bush probably wouldn't have been elected again if all of the people who said "1 vote doesn't make a difference" got their ****ing a**es out and voted. Appathy will be the death of this nation.

I realize that it does seem futile to vote. All of our candidates are groomed with a fine pick comb, but it comes down to choosing the lesser of two evils. I'm sure if there would have been a "hanging chad" problem in any other state besides Florida, where good old brother Bush governed, W. Bush wouldn't have been elected in the first place. But to think that all elections are rigged is a very pesimistic view for our nation.

America might not be the best place to live, but you're living here, so you might as well try to make a difference in the way it is run. Isn't that the point in this website anyway? Get everybody together who can and do make a substantial difference in the vibration of mass consciousness. It seems like we should be doing everything we can.

/rant

-Addis

oh man... this like like my 4th post. you guys are going to hate me

Addis - I appreciate your sentiments.

As for me, I AM doing everything I can. I think more so than the average citizen. I am working on other levels as well... in ways I believe have wide effects.

Every year I have voted, but this year I have just seen it for what it is. I stand outside of it for one election and look at it. I sent a lot of intentions, prayers and magick for the highest good. I have undying faith that this works miracles. I am following my own truth and you are following yours. It will all work.

[IndigoWolf]

"conservatives are generally anti-federalism, and believe that the national government should mind its own business, and each state should be able to run its self."

My belief is that this is where Bush created his greatest problems. Yes, conservatives believe that the national government should mind it's own business. You don't do that by attacking the constitution and civil rights and trying to take bites out of them.

The term "Radical" would refer to the veryfar left or right. The majority of people in this country are not radical in either direction.

One of the most significant changes this election will present is the ability of the House or Senate to halt the enactment of any more laws the Bush regeme might attempt to pass. They could, in effect, tie Bushes hands. Will they? We will have to wait and see.

As for the government behind the government we see...yea, that's there too.

Indigo Wolf

[Addis]

I am following my own truth and you are following yours. It will all work.

I realize this more than you probably know. I am very sorry if I offended you or anybody else with my comments. I just know far to many passive complainers and I get a little riled over this subject... I suppose its time to look inside and release a belief system or two.

Thanks to everybody for this chance to heal.

-Addis

[prometheus]

Very good!

[arielle.d]

this is a helpful link - http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/
it gives some basic information
on our government system.

by keeping the presidency, i believe the source was exaggerating the fact that Bush (a Republican) will butt heads with the legislative branch (now Democratic majority): House of Representatives & Senate (who for the past decade have been a Republican majority). "in a perspective of power in the country", the democratic party now basically controls the law-making branch of the government because they outnumber the republicans in each branch (house of representatives & senate). though, there has been talk about impeachment - i don't think that will happen - especially since the secretary of defense, who is publicly blamed for the war, just resigned today. interesting timing, huh?

the CNN polls demonstrate growing dissatisfaction with the president, the war, etc. Since the beginning of this year, scandals involving dishonesty, pedophilia, and domestic violence perpetrated by republican senators & house reps have broken into the news - i think this, teamed with dissatisfaction with the president, caused voters to vote democractic. really horrible truths have finally been brought into the open - and though painful, it couldn't be at a better time.

this all falls in the year of the Fire Dog - dog, a chinese zodiac sign, known for its loyalty and quest for truth. along with a pretty intense 11:11 ascension (this month is an 11), this paves the way for truth, painful or smooth, to come out.

[QUOTE=prometheus;1739]
Btw, I do think Bush is a puppet.
[QUOTE=prometheus;1739]

in the constitution, the president is referred to as a 'figurehead', which i think is very apt - seeing as this president, more than most, seems to be a mask behind which others express their self-fulfilling actions. what is beyond me is how long it took for the country to become dissatisfied with the administration. even with the dissatisfaction, we are still focused on issues that don't have anything to do with our true needs as human beings. californians voted against a bill that would reduce energy waste by 25% just because it would raise their sales tax - yet 8 states have voted yes on amendments against same sex marriage! some of these amendments are so cruel that they state no further law can affect the initial one.

i agree with you regarding the importance of casting your vote, prometheus and adis - though, i don't mean to judge anyone. i feel along with spiritual work there some times needs to be a corresponding physical action, which to me, voting strongly represents.

ultimately, though, i think the lesson we learn from our actions or inactions is most important. i used to be really disenchanted with voting, the government , and the societal institutions that seemed so extraneous. but, i think every increment of energy and physical intention we send forward brings us that much closer to our goal.

light & love,
a

[Sunsolei33]

Dear Prometheus I don't know what you are asking exactly, but here is my take---It is a third dimensional game in which there are alleged opponents, both of which are really on the same side.

People run to the voting booths with the idea that they are "doing something" or "preventing something" and when they get there booths are either broken or "fixed".

Someone wins, someone loses and The System remains in tact.

That is just my view. I know others feel this is an important priviledge...that in totalitarian regimes would not be permitted. And that I have forgone my freedom and duty as an American citizen.

Today, I just don't feel like "playin'" anymore.

Maybe by the presidentials I will feel different. We will have to wait and see.

Oh, if Boroc Obama (sp!!) runs for pres, I will RUN, not walk, to vote for that man. I love him! He is so sweet and genuine. He spoke at the democratic convention, such an inspirational speaker.

[Sunsolei33]

Well I don't know how your system works, so I'm doing a tiny research. I didn't even know what were you voting on! And then I hear something about Bush, that the results of these votes will determine if he keeps the presidency. I found that you'll make your presidential votes on 2008 and then found this:



On CNN International, I see those graphs on balance power between democrat and republican. I don't understand nothing of these politics. Don't know what makes a republican and a democrat.

So my question was what will these polls really determine, regarding Bush or what will happen in a perspective of power in your country.

Republican=right wing, anti-feminist nazi's, fiscally conservative, extreme right wing Christianity (very fundamentalist), pro-war in Iraq, pro-war period, like to drive gas guzzling hummers, don't want to pay taxes to help the poor even though they are rich, etc.

Democrat=fiscally liberal, but foolishly so, at least they make attempts to help people and protect the environment--but politics rules over sensibility here.

I VOTED FOR KINKY FRIEDMAN (independent) FOR TEXAS GOVERNER!!

STRAIGHT TICKET DEMOCRAT EXCEPT WHEN THE CANDIDATES ONLY INCLUDED REPUBLICAN AND LIBERTARIAN--THEN I VOTED STRAIGHT LIBERTARIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

I THINK WE MAY HAVE GOT A DEMOCRAT TO REPRESENT TEXAS IN CONGRESS!! HAVE TO CHECK!! IF SO, WOO HOO!!!!!!!!

[Sunsolei33]

if radical is another word for liberal, then yes.

liberals, in general, lean more towards a socialistic governing plan. They are for higher taxes, but with those taxes come health care plans and a more reliable social security for everybody. A democrat believes in a strong federal government, leaving less up to the individual states to govern themselves, but leave more power to the people to make their own big decisions. Abortion is a perfect example of this.

conservatives are generally anti-federalism, and believe that the national government should mind its own business, and each state should be able to run its self. They generally believe in lowering taxes and financial individuality. This is where you hear the phrase "the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer."

George got alot of his votes from people in the upper tax brackets. The irony of this, is that the people in the lower tax brackets out number the higher-tax bracket people by a huge percentage. Bush probably wouldn't have been elected again if all of the people who said "1 vote doesn't make a difference" got their ****ing a**es out and voted. Appathy will be the death of this nation.

I realize that it does seem futile to vote. All of our candidates are groomed with a fine pick comb, but it comes down to choosing the lesser of two evils. I'm sure if there would have been a "hanging chad" problem in any other state besides Florida, where good old brother Bush governed, W. Bush wouldn't have been elected in the first place. But to think that all elections are rigged is a very pesimistic view for our nation.

America might not be the best place to live, but you're living here, so you might as well try to make a difference in the way it is run. Isn't that the point in this website anyway? Get everybody together who can and do make a substantial difference in the vibration of mass consciousness. It seems like we should be doing everything we can.

/rant

-Addis

oh man... this like like my 4th post. you guys are going to hate me

I agree with you.

Another important point is that Republicans are pro-death penalty---but anti-abortion.

Many of the poor who are most affected by the Republican Regime are ex-cons (non-violent) who are no longer allowed to vote. Or homeless people with no address to vote from.

People like my dad. We must stand up for those who cannot speak for themselves. Those who have had their voting rights taken away (in some form or another).

IMHO drug addicts don't deserve 25 yr sentences. Rep think they do. Yet sex offenders get off in nine months. Isn't that nice??

[Electra]

Oh, if Boroc Obama (sp!!) runs for pres, I will RUN, not walk, to vote for that man. I love him! He is so sweet and genuine. He spoke at the democratic convention, such an inspirational speaker.

Funny I was just checking him out the other day.

[Electra]

I realize this more than you probably know. I am very sorry if I offended you or anybody else with my comments. I just know far to many passive complainers and I get a little riled over this subject... I suppose its time to look inside and release a belief system or two.

Thanks to everybody for this chance to heal.

-Addis

Dear Addis, you never offended me, quite on the contrary. I love a person who is willing to walk into things and discover what it is all about. I appreciate your conversation and I honor your opinion.