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    Quote Originally Posted by Utopialove View Post
    Maybe you should have done that in our posts dont ya think?
    Why would he do that? He enjoys trolling your posts too much to act as a moderator...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stardog Champion View Post
    Let me get this straight. Are you trying to say that pagans (all those who are not of Judeo-christian beliefs, btw. Cuz that's how they are called. Just as Muslims call everyone who's not into Islam, "infidels") are to blame for the problems facing the world today?

    Paganisim is a umbrealla term most if not all religions are based on paganisim... So religion and paganisim go together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Utopialove View Post
    Paganisim is a umbrealla term most if not all religions are based on paganisim... So religion and paganisim go together.
    Regardless of whether Christianity and Judaism were based on paganism, paganism specifically refers to non-Abrahamic religions only. So paganism does not equate to religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beautifulmind View Post
    Why would he do that? He enjoys trolling your posts too much to act as a moderator...

    LOL.... I see that, and these are the moderators?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiamiSound View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stardog Champion View Post
    Yes, you did, man. But you approached it from all the wrong angles. That's why people took exception.

    Remember: it's your truth your fighting for. Not mine, for instance. Just like I fight for my truth, cuz it's my life and integrity that's at stake. No one else's.
    For some reason you don't respect my truth. But i can respect the truth of someone i don't like. Treat me with the respect i give you. That's all i asked in all my thread debates, but you guys insult me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Utopialove View Post
    Maybe you should have done that in our posts dont ya think?
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    Why would he do that? He enjoys trolling your posts too much to act as a moderator...
    Quote Originally Posted by Utopialove View Post
    LOL.... I see that, and these are the moderators?
    You won't listen to him because you feel wronged by him?
    Okay then I'm saying it now:
    Don't derail the thread. That goes for everyone, let's try to play nice here.
    /argument
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    that's what modern history states but it's not true...........

    WHAT isn't true after 15 differnt concepts have been introduced. Why ever do you think I'm basing that in world history and not gnostic precepts of find the truth for myself?


    Pagan have hidden behind my religions and secret societies.....

    And what are YOUR religions and secret societies? Oral traditions of secrecy were put into place to pass information down intact...plus no one knew how to write so you see the neccesity in that. Plus we don't give the secrets of fire away to the kids who will burn the house down.

    [B]The top level pagans wanted all who had knowledge out of the way so they could take over..........

    You can say that NWO and Illuminati execs are pagan's in the sense they could use the occult they decry from their religious pulpit the same way they'd use any other tool they can get their hands on to control and manipulate. You can say that I won't get offended, however you shouldn't clump all non abramic religions in a big clump of illuminati pagans. You should also know that is a handful of people, not a cohesive religion doing that. I know that it is rumored that occult is used in highest levels of governement and global affairs. But those aren't pagans in the sense of earth based religions and if they are they then Gaia will catch up to them eventually. I doubt that I, or anyone in here is that sort of pagan. Native Americans are pagans. Are you suggesting they were in Europe eons ago orchestrating the cover up of some secret knowledge?

    I will prove this later tonight

    I know...it's always later. :Later why don't you get a clear idea of what paganism is in order to understand what the hell you are perceiving as a enemy here .Its only what any real 'truth' finder would do.

    Quote Originally Posted by WARRIOR GOD KING ADONIS View Post
    that's what modern history states but it's not true........... Pagans have hidden behind my religions and secret societies..... The top level pagans wanted all who had knowledge out of the way so they could take over.......... I will prove this later tonight

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belial View Post
    You won't listen to him because you feel wronged by him?
    Okay then I'm saying it now:
    Don't derail the thread. That goes for everyone, let's try to play nice here.
    /argument
    Sure I have no problem with that request. I would like to request in return that all other threads be moderated in this way as well, even if you disagree with the topic or the person posting. Thank you.

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    Nope, one can be entirely pagan or gnostic and never touch religion. I for one am quite a-religious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Belial View Post
    Regardless of whether Christianity and Judaism were based on paganism, paganism specifically refers to non-Abrahamic religions only. So paganism does not equate to religion.

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    Oh my, my gnosis senses the onset of another moderator conspiracy.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by beautifulmind View Post
    Sure I have no problem with that request. I would like to request in return that all other threads be moderated in this way as well, even if you disagree with the topic or the person posting. Thank you.
    Fair enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticknot View Post
    Nope, one can be entirely pagan or gnostic and never touch religion. I for one am quite a-religious.
    True, as it doesn't necessarily refer to only religion, but also belief systems and spiritual practices.
    And it's generally also used to refer to nature-based religion, beliefs, and spiritual practices as well.
    But I think you know that so...sorry if I misrepresented paganism just now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticknot View Post
    To clarifiy some precepts here that have been mishandled, perverted, and ran around the block after being bred to twenty different other fawlty religions to create some unidentifiable offspring known as THE TRUTH.......


    Gnosticism (note capitol G) would be indicative of various religious organizations, Like Christian Gnostic for an example --there are several subsets of those. They tend towards roughly the same precepts as gnosticism (note lowercase g) which is a sort of spiritual philosophy that is not contained to any one faith or religious subset or structure. Not all gnostics are Christian Gnostics, but Christian Gnostics can be reasonably viewed as gnostics. Mani Gnostics would have been much different than todays Gnostics but ...still gnostics. Gnostics tend to be very relaxed about the variants in the order. They have a central origin that is accepted if not abided to by throughout both schisms.

    Gnosticism has and does come in many different sorts of flavors. It may either be an organized relgion or simply accepted into one's spiritual path as a philosophy or a belief (gnostic). Nearly all Gnostics and gnostics are well informed about gnostic origins of creation--prime creator, Sophia, Archons, Aeons, and how those are viewed from culture to culture. Today's American Gnostics typically tend less towards Sophia but acknowledge a Mother-Father God.

    gnosticism,(lower case g) the philosophy is typically found in many and varous non Abrahamic based thought or religions with its focus on inner self, personal truth seeking, source knowledge and individualized (as opposed to collective) salvation. Buddhism can be reasonably viewed as gnostic in nature, and so can most earth based (pagan) religions with their focus on inner wisdom and truth seeking.

    gnostic paganry Goes very well together and are not in the least bit of opposition.

    Christian Gnosticism (like Christianism--christian paganism) is very comfortable for those who like thier Chrisitianity but don't want to be bound to dogma. gnosticism in general is the central thread that runs through most New Age thought, and various non Abrahamic religions through out the world.
    I would call Abraham the patriarch of Gnosis. The one profound truth of Gnosis is the relationship with God does not require the intercession of religion or others interpreting the relationship of God and the individual. Jesus was not adverse to the orders of Earth components, which is the base of paganism. In my view, based on my studies, He acknowledged the cognizant ability of earth as a separate area, not an area for the priests of Judaism. The natural order of being within the structure of earthly existence has its own set of rules, still under God but considered in a different fashion. Just my take on it. I am a Gnostic, I am not affiliated to any religion, though I see and respect the value each system of faith holds. Gnosticism is simply a view that leaves one in peace and understanding of self within the greater tapestry. I am no more valid nor am I any more invalid than any other component of the greater works. God is in everything, and influences the patterens by subtle ways and overt miracle at times.

    One does not need the view of another to see these events, they are perceived infinite ways and all are correct. It is the individual that demands one to see things in one uniform view that is disturbing. Not harmful, just disturbing. How any one being on this level of existence where we are entrenched, can state emphattically that they are correct and any who disagree are wrong; how these can spout such ludicris statements with such surety is an astounding display of the depth of their ignorance. Gnostic view is wide and varied as the individual. It is not a religion, it is a relationship with God. Just as we each approach relationships by our own sense of attraction, compassion, and love. The relationship to God is as personal, as sacred to each heart.

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    Interesting TMT thanks for sharing that. I do tend to think of Abrahamic as non gnostic due to the decidely monotheist and rigid religions that spang from him, Islam, Christianity and Judaism. In terms of his personal experience, I suppose I haven't thought about it in a long time since I'm not a huge fan of OT.

    And thank you for adding the rest too ...starting with God does not require the intercession of religion or others interpreting the relationship of God

    That is what drew me to the philsophy in the first place. It's very empowering.

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    I was actually agreeing with you. The Nope threw you, I'm sorry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Belial View Post
    True, as it doesn't necessarily refer to only religion, but also belief systems and spiritual practices.
    And it's generally also used to refer to nature-based religion, beliefs, and spiritual practices as well.
    But I think you know that so...sorry if I misrepresented paganism just now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticknot View Post
    I was actually agreeing with you. The Nope threw you, I'm sorry.
    lol it's okay.
    And either way I wasn't entirely right, since it doesn't only refer to religion, but just plain beliefs and spiritual practices that may not be in a particular religion.
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