Spiritual corruption & Spiritual conditioning close to 2012

[Indigo Traveler]

HI,
two weeks ago iwas sharing and exchanging alot with a new friend regards spirtual curruption and spirtual conditioning.

I would like to ask you all which informations or experiences or advice do you have regards this toypycs

Many times we did hear that the spirtual systhem on earth is corrupted, up to many higher dimentions. I am very sure indigos might have the possibility in all this multidimentions to recognize the corruption and develop ways and proccess to solve it. did you had those experiences also?

Corruption and conditining are big words, normally we understand refre to standard normal" society, but if we realize that this kind of society is a result of a spiritual attitude on earth, and we see the naked truth beyound our pink wishes for "home", then we wil b able to really face the spirtual collective challenges inidgos, crytsals face right now.

I wonder also about the future, there are many paralel possibilities developing right now. And so far, while indigos stll acept earthy 3D and spirtual conditioning 4D, 5D and higher, what will hapend with indigos while 2012?

I know as usual this letter might challenge the truths you decided to accept about good and bad on earth and spirtual dimentions, but if you see everything with yur inner truth, and not with your fear o wishes for protection and "be-part-of", then mybe we can arrive to a truthfull understanding of indigos crystals situations beyond, the actual situation on earth and spirtual dimentions that act on earth.

I think that might be a key attitude for us...but still is just me and mayb few that talk opennly that way, and take a neutral attitude and identify more with indigo clarity , than to "argumnts and truth learned" while living on earth.

i feel very curious about your experiences of spirtualk condition, spritual corruption and more than that, about your indigos truth beyound this time on earth!


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[lillies1978]

spiritual conditioning/corruption for now only made me think of the church....lately i've been paying a bit attention to what for example is said in the bible and how the church uses it....looking at it from where i' am right now, i saw/felt the true wisdom of these old words, giving "instructions" for enlightenment....it becomes a question of interpretation....just IMO

>>>I know as usual this letter might challenge the truths you decided to accept about good and bad on earth and spirtual dimentions, but if you see everything with yur inner truth, and not with your fear o wishes for protection and "be-part-of", then mybe we can arrive to a truthfull understanding of indigos crystals situations beyond, the actual situation on earth and spirtual dimentions that act on earth.<<<

i believe this is "true" not just for indigos but for everybody, we can only grow to our full potential when we are willing and able to let go of anything....i'm not there, not even close, but i feel it's the right path to choose, at least for myself....every attachment i have holds me back, causes me pain one way or another...i'm not saying i want to stop caring, but i want to be able to truly trust in "god"(not the church god, just for the record), knowing that everything happens for a reason, for the greater good...even my own death or the death of my loved ones...and that whatever happens 2012 (or whichever year) will be ok! just spoken for me though!

love&light
Susanne

[greygoose]

We will know more after 2012. Focus is the key. Focus on the aboslute truth at the giving moment. In any deminsion I believe the absolute truth is the most powerful and purest path anyone can take.

[Indigo Traveler]

truth can be only perceived as it is beyound conditioning.
you need to recognize the patterns of on conditioning, before you let them go, before you get into the real truth...otherwise you will just follow others people truth.

when italk about spirtual corruption i dont alk about 3D beings, lick church and such kind of 3D institutions, but about 5D and higher D beings which support 3D corrupted institution,a nd conditioning...

i wonder if we can also perceive that?

just to mak it clar, maybe for me....and for some...to keep focus and wait for2012...is not at all my style, i habe been tere already, knows whyt will happend to me, and i know i can drive it in a new way.....

what i wonder is if the colective indigos, cystals and next generation...are, will make it to ascend all toghether...
does any one make this question to themselves?

2012?

[Indigo Traveler]

We will know more after 2012. Focus is the key. Focus on the aboslute truth at the giving moment. In any deminsion I believe the absolute truth is the most powerful and purest path anyone can take.

why to wait?

[BMoody]

We will know more after 2012. Focus is the key. Focus on the aboslute truth at the giving moment. In any deminsion I believe the absolute truth is the most powerful and purest path anyone can take.

Ahhh? But, what is "absolute truth" ? Seriously. I'd really like to hear your take on this.

Many people would argue that there is no truth other than what we perceive it be, as individuals.

So, do you believe that there exists one truth that binds us all to one another whether we accept it or not?

I am curious.


Barbara

[Eriol]

I may be off topic, but this is what this topic remind me of.



Let's examine what people spend like 80% of their life doing: Jobs.

Quotes from here: http://www.anxietyculture.com

Office employees are required to sacrifice more than just their time and energy. They're expected to yield their souls too. As early as the interview stage it's made clear to new recruits that total commitment to the company is mandatory. This means adopting the company ethos and believing in its "mission". It's like joining a cult.

Your employer requires your sincere devotion. Cynicism is regarded as an attitude problem, and will result in your behaviour being closely monitored. In this kind of environment you need to disguise your contempt, otherwise everything you do will be regarded with suspicion.

A major peril of office work is project assignment. If you thought aimless drudgery was bad, wait until you experience the planned, monitored kind. Projects don't alleviate tedium – they simply schedule it. Deadlines, progress meetings and status reports add nothing to the emptiness but an artificial sense of urgency.

Scheduling forms a big part of project work – you should expect to spend at least two days a week planning, reviewing your plans and fabricating your timesheet to make it look as if you're working to plan. The main purpose of scheduling is to somehow squeeze a week's work into the few days remaining after the scheduling is done.

This is impossible, of course. The result is panic, guilt, stress and more scheduling. Ultimately, you pay the price by working 60-hour weeks on a 40-hour salary. Then, when chronic exhaustion takes its toll, you become even less productive. But the scheduling process makes no allowance for this, because the project team is in denial.

Today I’d like to talk about some of the notions in our society which are misleading our young people and causing a lot of unnecessary misery. Firstly, the idea that you must earn a living. Within the notion of “having to earn a living” is the assumption that you don’t automatically deserve to be alive. For some reason this tends to make people feel somewhat depressed. I have it on the highest authority, however, that the only way to really earn a living, once and for all, is by being born (and I’m talking here about physical birth, not any religious metaphorical mumbo-jumbo). After that you deserve to relax.

Another misguided concept that I’d like to shoot down is the belief that you should be responsible. This whole idea puts people under tremendous strain, because you end up feeling responsible for all your imperfections. Society holds us accountable if we don’t comply with its definition of our responsibilities. You don’t choose your genetic make-up or the conditions in which you grow up, yet all the unfortunate things that happen are your fault. It’s time we let go of this burden of false responsibility.

Marketing and PR people are aware of the western cultural bias towards “self-determination” (ie individualist self-control). They know we’re more likely to yield to their persuasions if we believe we’re personally in control and not being coerced – when we sense coercion we respond with resentment and resistance. Corporations and government thus make frequent use of self-determining words (eg “opportunity”, “incentive” and “challenge”) as tools of resentment management.

The technique is to let you believe you have a free choice – when, in fact, all you have is a dilemma (a “free choice” implies at least one favourable option; a dilemma means each option is unfavourable). The language of the typical workplace is saturated with self-determining words, which hide coercion by disguising dilemmas as choices. In such environments, employees may actually come to believe they are performing repetitive, mindless tasks eight hours a day, out of personal choice, rather than economic dilemma.

And that's the truth about how our current job system works. It's slavery really. Doing mindless tasks you don't like, for countless hours, under stress, welcome to earth.

Stupid world, when is this hole of shit is going to end? >__>

[greygoose]

I really like this forum a lot can be discussed and learned here by all. I personally don't believe we should focus on anything beyond 2012. I think it will take every last ounce of all of our focus to suceed in 2012 If that is in fact the date the awakening of another conciousness or dimesion is to occur. I am almost sure I am receiving messages. I am lately able to predict certian things about others and I can tell them to a tee what is going to happen. I just tapped into this a few months ago. This is when I may have thru the crystal change. I think we will be given extra special senses in order to do our mission. It is scary to receive these powers though. I believe and individual that has these powers will be tempted by evil much more than non indigo/crystal people. The reason is you have much more to offer either side. The absolute truth in my opinion is trusting the information your receiving. You must see clearly and one cannot see clearly well being tempted with 3d desires money,greed, sex. I believe one must truly live on a nature plane with very little temptating to these evil 3d's to be able to tap into this power. With everything I do not trust very easily. But over the last 2 years I have learned to trust these messages and they lead me to great peacfulness and assurity without a doubt I have a mission. I am begining to believe it corresponds to 2012 as I am getting a strong feeling something will happen.

[PsychoActiveSoul]

why is 2012 such a big deal? I've actually seen very little evidence to suggest that this date is crucial. I know it is the end of the Mayan calander, but... so?...

[greygoose]

I do not believe 2012 will be an end but a new beginning. The reason I think it is coming is probably a bit different from others. I have a gut feeling something will happen in approx 5 years. I was telling all my friends about this when we were hanging out. The funny thing is I never really studied anything about 2012 or the mayan calander untill I joined this site just a few days ago. I was telling my friends about this feeling a few months ago before I really knew a whole lot about 2012 and the mayans. I am not saying for sure through out my life I was not told anything about 2012 but I can't honestly remember ever taking about it before entering this site. I can honestly say when I was telling my friends about my gut feeling the myans or 2012 theories had nothing to do with it, it was just a strong feeling I still have.

[Indigo Traveler]

is not only the mayan callendar...

the earth is actually changing...

the schumman frequency will match the magnetic field and all will open up or fall down, as you prefer to describe it, . themain point is that your energy, magnetic and light body was until now tuned with these earth pulse and magnetic field, then when both match, an unique opennes and interdimentional opportunity willl happend

normally this experience you can achieve inidvidually, but now will be collective, even the people not aware of it will experience it.

there for, i will rather prepare innerly for the event, and also try to have a clear colective and individual prescence in relation to the inidgo-crystals, becouse then we will have the chance to move collectively!

on th otehr hand i still conside very important and possible to achieve a crtical mass on earth, activated by the indigo-crystal grid. then the whole planet will be able to ascend. if not only us, or some of us will do.

The point of this thread is that many 3D and 5D and upper informations seems to be corrupted and have been conditioning indigos awakening and action over years, mostly with the 70s and 80s generation. otherise we could achieve the crytical mass already...

4 years to 2012...seems not to be a game any more...


there for i do recommend be very close and ready with the capacity to see the truth at any level of communication and interaction we might have

[Indigo Traveler]

I may be off topic, but this is what this topic remind me of.

Let's examine what people spend like 80% of their life doing: Jobs.

Quotes from here: http://www.anxietyculture.com

And that's the truth about how our current job system works. It's slavery really. Doing mindless tasks you don't like, for countless hours, under stress, welcome to earth.

Stupid world, when is this hole of shit is going to end? >__>

Thanky ou for your pst this is a normal 3D HHRR management systhem

I have been supporting organiztionsa nd teams tring to implement a change into their attitude, amny people and managers agree is needed, but is not easy.

Actually NLP and other methods d not help at all, but are designed to hidde a slaves systhem painted with sallaries and wages.

Freedom is sold everywhere around and actually is the opposite what have people been eating ala round

is the same as in th time peace as sold, or green....

actually ,i am afraid, si the same while INDIGO is sold, the opposite have been builded...

thats why i did open this thread...dont you see the truth?

i still wonder yh inidgos support so blindly the spirituals ysthem, whil the task is clear regards crytical mass and earth awakening: themain point i to gather and work toghether...not only 4D and higher, bit also 3D...

many still follow many books, and channelings and nicepink ideas,,,and time pass and pass, and many still engage only inown individual interests...i think we have also in addition to our individual needs and paths the posibility to bring to life inidgo gathering and network, the idea of network means interaction: interaction means colaboration and communication: that means we exchange an increase the power of the indigo-crystal grid.

if we achieve this interaction through any activity on 3D the grid will be empowered. but if we still accepting individual isolation and only 5D ineraction, the earth will not get the best form us.

westill can do alot through concrete 3D ntwork and colaboration into important needs fo indigos.

To heal one of us, suport an of us, ll crate a patter in the coollective mind that might help 100s and 1000s of other beings on earth. I think this is the best and most sure way to support earth now...

[greygoose]

I am at the point of challanging every idea, relearning with an open mind. Look at what humans have done to the earth. We are killing the planet with all this mining, forest destruction, carbon monoxide, widespread industial pollution. Why so we can build more material things. Funny isn't it we are killing living things with energy forces to make material things that society programs your mind to believe you need to survive or "fit in". What would have happened if the true peaceful natives were still living on the planet. Would we have had all this technology ? Would we have had mined the earth of all its resources ?. Somewere some societies turned to evil and only worried about greed and what they can ammass. They had land to live in. they had the richest castles. The had all the women. But they still wanted more. They had a neverending lust for more that can never be satisfied. They conquered the more peaceful societies and now we only survive intermingled thoughout the very societies that took us over.

[BMoody]

why is 2012 such a big deal? I've actually seen very little evidence to suggest that this date is crucial. I know it is the end of the Mayan calander, but... so?...

The known facts of the year 2012 are that it is the end of the 26,000 year precession cycle which will end on the infamous date, Dec. 21, 2012 which is also the end date of the Mayan Calender. So, the really interesting thing about it is that the Mayans had knowledge of the heavens that we were only able to determine in ths last century.

About fifteen years ago, an American researcher whose name I forget, did some calculations and discovered a connection between the I Ching, and the Mayan Calender's end date. Terrence McKenna, his name was. Well, between him and a Mayan priest, whose name is Hunbatz Men, Dec. 21, 2012 became world renowned.

Then, all kinds of people started climbing on the band wagon and somewhere along the way, they came up with all kinds of conflicting ideas about the meaning of the date and what will happen on that date. Do a google on 2012 and you'll come up with a number of book; each purporting to have ressolved the whole issue but, none of them jive with any other of them. So, I figure all we can do is wait and see. No one really knows anything.

Barbara