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    Lightbulb Has anyone else ever felt like this before?

    Picture this: You make yourself a little microwave meal for dinner one night. You sit down and begin to eat. Nothing's too out of the ordinary here. But then you have an epiphany. You look at the plastic container you're eating your food from and it fills you with sadness and disgust. For the first time in your life, you realize that this doesn't seem right. You see that that piece of plastic you have in front of you is only a part of your life for the duration of its use, 20 minutes max. And what happens after that? It's put into a big bag (plastic, of course) and shipped off to some landfill where it will sit there for all eternity, and if not that, far greater a time that you'll even be on this earth. We do this every day with countless items. We use and dispose with very little thought about it.

    To this day, it deeply saddens me whenever I see someone who is living in that mindset. A person who is maybe cleaning their basement one day and fills bags with all types of items, from old children's toys to outdated clothes, and feels no guilt in sending it all off to the dump. To them, it's as if all of those items will cease to exist once they're gone and out of their life. But no, they will just be sitting in a landfill, waiting. It's disgusting.

    It really makes me wonder why the human race has become so wasteful and ignorant within recent centuries. Before that, sure, we lived simpler lives. Heck, plastic hadn't even been invented yet! But we did not have the modern landfills we do now. I feel that something must be done. People need to understand that our current system is just not right.


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    I quote an online page of information on the history of landfills:

    Garbage in landfills does not break down - a landfill is more like an airtight storage container. Even biodegradable items such as grass clippings and paper break down very slowly in a traditional landfill, making the space unrenewable. Though landfills cannot be used over and over, they are often put to good use. Closed landfills are turned into parks, golf courses, ski slopes, and parks. Homes and other buildings are not usually built on closed landfills due to settling.

    You can find more information at http://www.superpages.com/supertips/landfills.html

    So yes, they can reuse the land for certain things, which can make some people feel better about it then. But it also makes me wonder about what will happen as time goes on. The will come a point where we can only have so many golf courses and ski slopes. In the future, will the foundations of the homes we build rest on ancient landfills? Will your great grandchildren live a few feet above where your plastic water bottle that you use today rests, eternally awaiting decomposition? In other words, will our future be built on your trash?

    Now, besides worrying about settling, as it says above, there are other reasons for not building structures above old landfills. Chemicals, for instance. There are many chemicals involved in trash that can be very harmful to human (and nature's) health. It would be impossible to remove those dangerous chemicals from already established landfills, and as it is, we aren't paying much attention to them now! Our people will continue to become sick with diseases like cancer in the future if this continues to happen. That is part of why so many people today are getting cancer, because our environment we live in (and the food we daily eat [out of those little plastic containers!]) is toxic!

    You may be asking yourself what can be done then, to reverse all of this. On a personal level, you could decide to recycle as much as possible, especially glass and plastics. Purchase items that come in biodegradable packaging. Bring home your groceries in your own bags instead of plastic ones. And become an advocate for those things! Make people aware of the truth behind their garbage, and then show them how they can make a change!

    On a larger scale, the only way we can overcome this sadly wasteful cycle is to get more people aware of this. What needs to be done is having more producers of goods using more biodegradable materials in what they make, and also using recycled materials. We also need to have a more complex system of waste disposal. Japan does this. They are big on recycling what they can because, if you think about it, they don't have much room to use for landfills as it is. They have several different days of the week where different recyclable items are picked up. If we adopted this system, I can say right now that we would be drastically on a much better path for the future of this planet...

    The only other thing that begs to be talked about is the current energy problem we are facing. Summed up, fossil fuels = bad. And that there are other alternative power sources that are largely untapped and could be highly useful *and* environmentally friendly! But considering I just wrote that whole thing about what to do about our current waste problem, I will save that for later.

    What I'm trying to get at is that there are actual solutions for these problems we face today. We have the power to do seemingly impossible things, such as stop and even reverse global warming and make the world into a beautiful place with very few waste problems. We can be the masters of this world we occupy. If we were to all realize this and want change, change would come. The only real problem we face now is our own ignorance.
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    LOL.....this is ironic as I am currently visiting my daughter and she is laughing at me for asking her to look at the big picture. What are our footprints leaving upon this earth. Truly you are an earth angel....great thread...xxoo


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    What would you say to nuclear power considering that it is actually a clean sources of electricity production?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan View Post
    What would you say to nuclear power considering that it is actually a clean sources of electricity production?
    I am highly in favor of the use of Helium 3. It produces only very low levels of radioactive waste and would be a great incentive to get us to the moon, which has large deposits of Helium 3 in comparison to the earth. We would only use the dark side of the moon, of course, for that. And when we get to the moon and have permanent settlements, we will be able to more easily conduct studies of the solar system and have a base to explore other worlds.

    But for more personal energy (such as in homes) I would recommend more use of solar and wind energy. Helium 3 should only be for the big stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan View Post
    What would you say to nuclear power considering that it is actually a clean sources of electricity production?
    Tell that to Chernobyl

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    Tell that to Chernobyl
    I tell that to the melting polar ice cap . In any case when nuclear plants are managed properly they are quite safe as you can see from France.

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    what do they do with the waste?
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    they burry them in a site near le havre it is like burried with cement container, like 3 miles under ground or i dunno what, supposedly, even if there is an earthquake or stuff it shouldn't be uncovered =) the stuff remain radioactive for like 30 000 year lol next to side a pizza box in a landfill is already biodegraded no but it is rather safe, and it use very few quantity, it is ike little uranium bar, i dunno it is the size of a snicker, and i saw them transported , they carry those on trucks, there are in big cement cylinder, for a little bar, even with an earthquake the container would not break, and radiation do not get out of the thing



    it looks like this, and they burry those deep under the ground, in granit area etc
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    , It's better than what the British used to do with their nuclear waste. They used to dump it into the Irish sea...

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    there are lots of little secret surprises laying around on this planet...

    didn't someone say there are terrible (hushed up) fires going on in russia burning thru old nuclear dumps?
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    Yea.....we,re getting the smoke here in Canuckville

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    Yes, it's disgusting! i hate that feeling. I have various different kinds of that feeling for different situations, usually ones where i'm forcing myself to do things i think are wrong, like eating fastfood or getting really wasted and getting half naked in public.

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    well theorically in france it can't happen =) it is in granit, so it can't burn, and it is deep enough etc =)

    but i know also there are place where they did nuclear test, in those the ground contains radioactive dust, and this is another story, in the city i lived before, it is in the suburb, there was a ex-underground nuclear testing base, at the time it was built, this part was not inhabited, but as paris grew up, the part got inhabited, and there is a whole area forbiden to go, a friend who grew there told me once he was getting there and smoking a spliff there, cause it is forest, there are MIB who came and threw them out, it is like watched 24/24, and it is in the middle of a crowed suburb, supposedly it is not dangerous, but the area is still radioactive, they tell it is ok if you spend less than X hour / year in the place, but well yes if there are fire or such, i don't know what happen =)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_de_Vaujours

    The Fort de Vaujours, located in the commune of Courtry, Seine-Saint-Denis, near the town of Vaujours, is one of the forts built at the end of the 19th century to defend Paris. The fort became a research center for the Commissariat à l'énergie atomique (CEA), France's Atomic Energy Commission. The center was closed in 1997.

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    The CEA conducted pyrotechnic experiments at the location, using shock tubes and similar apparatus to study high-pressure shock waves in uranium.[3] The Vaujours facility closed in 1997. The CEA proposed to sell the property, but concerns about radioactive contamination have stalled the sale.[4]
    this place is odd, lot of mystery, it is a classified site, but it is radioactive =) they are trying to wash it more or less, and the underground supposedly, it melt with rain and water and the uranium is getting carried along or such, some association tried to dig the matter but got hit by a wall of military secret =) and it is in the middle of suburb =)

    but the waste from nuclear power plant supposedly they are taken care of =) until the day it will be judged too expansive and they will put less cement, or more bar in each container or they won't burry them that deep or what =)
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    So is margerine...coffee mate....the list goes on and on...

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    I think FirstWave means that plastic is made from oil. Oil products kind of makes one think of like you said, margerine. Plastic, on the other hand, is made from crude oil. Not the same.
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    but yes for domestic wastes, (which imo is the the worst kind of wasted), including yeah plastic, wrapings, this is also because of agriculture, things we buy come from very far and need lot of stuff like to protect them, it is in big part what create lot of waste and pollution, thing need to be transported from very far, and so need lot of wraping and stuff like that, this plus marketting, need painting and estetic stuff, for food the problem come from there, if there was more little local food production , it would save a lot of the need for wrapping and transport, and reduce polution a lot, but now the tendencies is more to create giant farming plant, who feed the whole country of even more countries etc remind me alittle doc i saw on african tribe, ppl were like amazed that ppl eat canned food, like how the animal died like more than 2 day ago, i won't eat it lol 'normally', we should eat thing that died in the day, and just get it from farm to plate diectly =)

    there is a nice little doc about this , made by a guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3AyWcptRx0 (Isle of Flowers) it explain this nicely


    there is also everything linked with electronic, computers, fridges, micro wave oven and such, but those are not generally sent in dump or landfill because they contain precious metals, so they are sent in india or africa, and ppl recycle them, and they contain also very harmfull chemical, they are dismounted by children or such , they don't even use masks or such, and today, most electronic or domestics machins are made to live appromixatly 3 years, when first fridge and electronic appeared, they were really made to live way longer, some of the first fridge made 30 year ago are still functionals, some of the first computers like amiga also are still functional , now any electronic is made to live no more than 3 year, after it become obselete, and it is better for economy, and i even heard ppl who told that some things contained some know flaw or defect, that made them destroyed in few time, where they should live longer, but they add defect for that ppl buy a new one regulary, somewhere yes it is a bit sick lol

    and industrial waste also it is still another story, with radioactive materials , metals, and all kind of chemicals

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    but yes for domestic wastes, (which imo is not the worst kind of waste), including yeah plastic, wrapings, this is also because of agriculture, things we buy come from very far and need lot of stuff like to protect them, it is in big part what create lot of waste and pollution, thing need to be transported from very far, and so need lot of wraping and stuff like that, this plus marketting, need painting and estetic stuff, for food the problem come from there, if there was more little local food production , it would save a lot of the need for wrapping and transport, and reduce polution a lot, but now the tendencies is more to create giant farming plant, who feed the whole country of even more countries etc remind me alittle doc i saw on african tribe, ppl were like amazed that ppl eat canned food, like how the animal died like more than 2 day ago, i won't eat it lol 'normally', we should eat thing that died in the day, and just get it from farm to plate diectly =)

    there is a nice little doc about this , made by a guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3AyWcptRx0 (Isle of Flowers) it explain this nicely


    there is also everything linked with electronic, computers, fridges, micro wave oven and such, but those are not generally sent in dump or landfill because they contain precious metals, so they are sent in india or africa, and ppl recycle them, and they contain also very harmfull chemical, they are dismounted by children or such , they don't even use masks or such, and today, most electronic or domestics machins are made to live appromixatly 3 years, when first fridge and electronic appeared, they were really made to live way longer, some of the first fridge made 30 year ago are still functionals, some of the first computers like amiga also are still functional , now any electronic is made to live no more than 3 year, after it become obselete, and it is better for economy, and i even heard ppl who told that some things contained some know flaw or defect, that made them destroyed in few time, where they should live longer, but they add defect for that ppl buy a new one regulary, somewhere yes it is a bit sick lol

    and industrial waste also it is still another story, with radioactive materials , metals, and all kind of chemicals
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    human beings are too stupid to deal with these poisons. there is no valid rationale for using them.
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    some kiwi businessman has spent a billion dollars or something on a factory in the USA which makes plastic bags, takeaway containers and the like.

    just. plain. stupid.

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