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    As for talking about HOME, goodness, I've watched that probably 10 times now... sometimes I play it in the background while I am making hemp jewelry or painting. Matter of fact, I want to watch it again and go paint my wand after 5 years. Gosh, I know what to do today!


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    Quote Originally Posted by makwaiskwew View Post
    It was the point in that other thread we were in giggling over worms(well I was anyways). These times are upon us. And why I am seeking a water system to share info on. Help me. Blacksheep made a suggestion...we need plans so people can affordably build their own. When this crash comes and you are on a water system that is not of your making....well I wouldn,t trust the water is all I,m saying.
    Very wise, who could deny such common sense? Very great words you've got in there.. they hit home for me and resonate. It proves true that you shouldn't trust your food providers. You SHOULD be your food provider.. and water is a food, so you should be watching that, too.

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    By george I think you got it..... ..xxoo

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    i guess this fits here, maybe-- anyway, good news!

    www.NaturalNews.com Originally published August 3 2011

    Court rules organic farmers can sue conventional, GMO farmers whose pesticides 'trespass' and contaminate their fields
    by Ethan A. Huff, staff writer

    (NaturalNews) Purveyors of conventional and genetically-modified (GM) crops -- and the pesticides and herbicides that accompany them -- are finally getting a taste of their own legal medicine. Minnesota's Star Tribune has reported that the Minnesota Court of Appeals recently ruled that a large organic farm surrounded by chemical-laden conventional farms can seek damages for lost crops, as well as lost profits, caused by the illegal trespassing of pesticides and herbicides on its property.

    Oluf and Debra Johnson's 1,500-acre organic farm in Stearns County, Minn., has repeatedly been contaminated by nearby conventional and GMO farms since the couple started it in the 1990s. A local pesticide cooperative known as Paynesville Farmers Union (PFU), which is near the farm, has been cited at least four times for violating pesticide laws, and inadvertently causing damage to the Johnson's farm.

    The first time it was realized that pesticides had drifted onto the Johnson's farm in 1998, PFU apologized, but did not agree to pay for damages. As anyone with an understanding of organic practices knows, even a small bit of contamination can result in having to plow under that season's crops, forget profits, and even lose the ability to grow organic crops in the same field for at least a couple years.

    The Johnson's let the first incident slide. But after the second, third, and fourth times, they decided that enough was enough. Following the second pesticide drift in 2002, the Johnson's filed a complaint with the Minnesota Agriculture Department, which eventually ruled that PFU had illegally sprayed chemicals on windy days, which led to contamination of the Johnson's organic crops.

    PFU settled with the Johnson's out of court, and the Johnson's agreed to sell their tainted products as non-organics for a lower price, and pull the fields from production for three years in order to bring them back up to organic standards. But PFU's inconsiderate spraying habits continued, with numerous additional incidents occurring in 2005, 2007, and 2008, according to the Star Tribune.

    After enduring much hardship, the Johnson's finally ended up suing PFU in 2009 for negligence and trespass, only to receive denial from the district court that received the case. But after appealing, the Johnson's received favor from the Appeals Court, which ruled that particulate matter, including pesticides, herbicides, and even GM particulates, that contaminates nearby fields is, in fact, considered illegal trespass, and is subject to the same laws concerning other forms of trespass.

    In a similar case, a California-based organic farm recently won a $1 million lawsuit filed against a conventional farm whose pesticides spread through fog from several miles away, and contaminated its fields. Jacobs Farm / Del Cobo's entire season's herb crop had to be discarded as a result, and the court that presided over the case acknowledged and agreed that the polluters must be held responsible (http://organicfood.einnews.com/arti...).

    Precedent has now been set for organic farmers to sue biotechnology companies whose GMOs contaminate their crops

    The stunning victories of both the Johnson's and Jacob's Farm / Del Cobo against their chemical-polluting neighbors is huge, in that it represents a new set legal precedent for holding conventional, factory farming operations responsible for the damage their systems cause to other farms. And with this new precedent set, many more organic farmers, for instance, can now begin suing GMO farmers for both chemical and genetic pollution that drifts onto their farms.

    Many NaturalNews readers will recall the numerous incidents involving lawsuits filed by Monsanto against non-GMO farms whose crops were inadvertently contaminated by GM material. In many of these cases, the defendants ended up becoming bankrupted by Monsanto, even though Monsanto's patented materials were the trespassers at fault.

    Be sure to check out the extensive and very informative report compiled by the Center for Food Safety (CFS) entitled Monsanto vs. U.S. Farmers for a complete history of Monsanto's war against traditional American agriculture: http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/...

    But it appears that the tables are now turning. Instead of Monsanto winning against organic farmers, organic farmers can now achieve victory against Monsanto. In other words, farmers being infringed upon by the drifting of GM material into their fields now have a legal leg to stand on in the pursuit of justice against Monsanto and the other biotechnology giants whose "frankencrops" are responsible for causing widespread contamination of the American food supply.

    Genetic traits are highly transmissible, whether it be through pollen transfer or seed spread, and organic and non-GMO farmers have every right to seek damages for illegal trespassing when such transmission takes place. It is expected that many more organic farms will step up and begin seeking justice and compensation for damage caused by crop chemicals, GM materials, and other harmful invaders.

    For too long, Monsanto has been getting away with suing farmers whose crops have become contaminated by Monsanto's patented genetic traits and chemical materials, and winning. Thankfully, the justice system seems to now recognize the severe error in this, and is now beginning to rightfully hold polluters and trespassers responsible. Monsanto, your days are numbered.

    Sources for this story include:

    http://www.startribune.com/local/12...
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    Instead of Monsanto winning against organic farmers, organic farmers can now achieve victory against Monsanto.
    excellent news. there are smart people in the 'gov! Who would have thought?

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    an energy shift? corrupt institutions falling?
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    here is mak's article:

    www.NaturalNews.com Originally published August 3 2011

    Breaking news: Multi-agency armed raid hits Rawesome Foods, Healthy Family Farms for selling raw milk and cheese
    by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor

    (NaturalNews) This is a NaturalNews exclusive breaking new report. Please credit NaturalNews.com. A multi-agency SWAT-style armed raid was conducted this morning by helmet-wearing, gun-carrying enforcement agents from the LA County Sheriff's Office, the FDA, the Dept. of Agriculture and the CDC (Centers for Disease Control).

    This story is now being followed and widely reported on InfoWars (www.InfoWars.com) and the Drudge Report (www.DrudgeReport.com). See updates below...

    Rawesome Foods, a private buying club offering wholesome, natural raw milk and raw cheese products (among other wholesome foods) is founded by James Stewart, a pioneer in bringing wholesome raw foods directly to consumers through a buying club. James was followed from his private residence by law enforcement, and when he entered his store, the raid was launched.

    Law enforcement demanded that all customers (members) of the store vacate the premises, then they demanded to know how much cash James had at the store. When James explained the amount of cash he had at the store -- which is used to purchase product for selling there -- agents demanded to know why he had such an amount of cash and where it came from.

    James was handcuffed, was never read his rights and was stuffed into an unmarked car. While agents said they would leave behind a warrant, no one has yet had any opportunity to even see if such a warrant exists or if it is a complete warrant.

    Law enforcement then proceeded to destroy the inventory of the story by pouring the milk down the drain and / or confiscating raw cheese and fresh produce for destruction. Video now posted at NaturalNews.TV: http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=A...

    Note to NaturalNews readers: We believe this was an ILLEGAL raid being conducted mob-style by government thugs who respect no law and no rights. This is an all-out war by the government against people who try to promote healthy raw and living foods.

    James is now being held at the Pacific division police department at Centinela and Culver in Los Angeles. He is being held at $123,000 bail with no possibility of using bail bonds. Law enforcement has demanded that if he comes up with the money to cover bail, he must disclose to them all the sources of that money. (This is an illegal demand!)

    Massive public protests are needed to teach these criminal law enforcement agencies that they cannot illegally arrest and persecute individuals merely for buying and selling raw milk and cheese. We are organizing a public protest day in cooperation with James. Please watch NaturalNews for an announcement of that. Story is developing... [rabana's emphasis]

    Right now, James needs help raising money with his legal defense needs. Our non-profit Consumer Wellness Center is currently serving as the collection point for donations. You may donate right now at www.ConsumerWellness.org (100% of the donations go directly to James' legal defense needs, the Consumer Wellness Center keeps nothing).

    See this video of James Stewart talking about his farm:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foKg...

    Story on InfoWars.com:
    http://www.infowars.com/raw-food-ra...

    Here's background on Healthy Family Farms which was also targeted in the raid:

    Healthy Family Farms in Santa Paula, California:

    "Healthy Family Farms is a sustainable, pasture-based farming operation. We raise all our livestock on pasture. We raise all of our animals from birth. We do not feed any of our animals soy, choosing instead to feed animals as they are designed to be fed. This results in healthy, sturdy animals needing no hormones, antibiotics, or other artificial "enhancements." We harvest our animals humanely by hand before they are delivered to the farmers markets. We never freeze our products. In addition to farmer's markets sales, we have an active CSA, which offers discounts to our valued members."

    Watch NaturalNews.com for more breaking news on this story. We are fed up with these illegal mob-style raids against the raw foods community! It is time to protest and fight back against tyranny!
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    Quote Originally Posted by makwaiskwew View Post
    yeah but mike is now able to bombard TPTB with 20,000+ emails from the public. that saved the home garden woman. if infowars and drudge report are onto it also thats another sign-- the general public is wakening up.

    this health freedom issue is all conservative/libertarian stuff at present. i wish the progressives would join them.
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    Sooooo hold on. We can grow pot in Cali but a family can't sell their milk... o_0
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    Not without goverment inspection and pasturization here.It,s all underground

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    Huh. Fucking idiots.
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    There's so much breaking news on the Rawesome Foods raids today that I almost don't know where to start, so let me just start with the good news:

    The MASSIVE amount of public exposure NaturalNews has brought to this incident (with the help of several other key alternative media leaders who are credited in these articles) has had a measurable impact. Bail for James Stewart was lowered from $123,000 to just $30,000 today, and word is that he'll be out of jail probably by the time you read this. The public pressure is on!

    Victoria Bloch has also been released from jail. Here's the full report on this good news:
    http://www.naturalnews.com/033234_Ra...ws_update.html


    NaturalNews also confirmed today that the usual LA County District Attorney won't be taking this case. Instead, a special environmental prosecutor will be handling the 13 charges against James Stewart as part of the new "environmental crimes" agenda that's rearing its ugly head in America. I bet you didn't think the "green police" were going to be prosecuting raw milk sellers, huh?
    http://www.naturalnews.com/033233_gr...al_crimes.html


    In another feature story today, I also ask the commonsense question: If California is BROKE, and the U.S. government is in FINANCIAL DEFAULT, then why are the spending taxpayer dollars to confiscate watermelons and mangos when there are real criminals out there committing serious crimes? Read more:
    http://www.naturalnews.com/033232_po...raw_foods.html


    Did you see the Raw Milk Police Lineup cartoon we posted today? Take a breather and laugh it up a bit!
    http://www.naturalnews.com/033228_raw_milk_raids.html


    Today we also covered the FDA and CDC lies about raw milk, which helps explain why they've declared war on this wholesome food:
    http://www.naturalnews.com/033242_CD...ized_milk.html


    In other news today (sorry, there's so much news to cover that we can hardly keep up), a new study reveals how U.S. soldiers are massively over-medicated with mind-altering drugs:
    http://www.naturalnews.com/033241_so...tic_drugs.html


    Also today, J.D. Heyes reports on the false promise of the debt ceiling deal, which helps explain why the stock market is crashing:
    http://www.naturalnews.com/033240_de..._spending.html

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    Sad state of affairs.

    Here in the U.S. Were doublemint fucked.

    The republicans are to invested in the corps. To stop anyting without a catch involved

    And the hard line liberal dems think people are to stupid to know whats good for them.

    To think growing a carrot could be treated like growing weed.

    Lol, i could make a killing off of black market salads!
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    Although there is much today in the newsletter, I,ll stick to topic. Am including the link from todays newsletter though.

    (NaturalNews) The mainstream media reports almost nothing about the downside of GMO farming. Only the propaganda of creating more agricultural abundance cheaply is broadcasted. A short video documentary "Farmer to Farmer: The Truth about GM Crops" offers a glimpse into the undisclosed downside reality of GMO farming.

    Documentary Essence

    Michael Hart has been a commercial farmer in Cornwall, England for thirty years. He is not an organic farmer, but he is a proponent of agricultural diversity from family farms. He wants the EU to avoid the GMO seed/herbicide trap.

    His recently produced short documentary focuses on American farmers, who have bought into the biotech industry's propaganda of higher yields with less overhead. The farmers he interviewed underscore the same theme: Monsanto has trapped them into a financial system of patented seeds and herbicides that have resulted in faltering crop yields with higher operating expenses.

    Major Points Discussed in the Video

    Monsanto sells its Roundup herbicide specifically for its Roundup Ready GM seeds. It's part of a rigidly enforced deal. The deal is sold with the promise that one post emergence pass (spraying after plants emerge) of Roundup will be sufficient for high crop yields of Monsanto's patented Roundup Ready GMO seeds.


    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/033264_fa...xzz1UXoG7UELAt first this appeared to be the case. But within a short time, Roundup resistant weeds began sprouting. Different combinations of tank mixed herbicides had to be contrived and purchased in addition to Monsanto's contractually required Roundup herbicide. Monsanto even sold tank mixed herbicides as well.

    Not only did one pass not work, but farmers also attested to different combinations of herbicides with several passes, which included pre-emergence and post emergence spraying to manage their crops. The new weeds had become a plague. And GMO crop production wound up demanding even more pesticide applications than non-GMO commercial farming.

    Because the biotech industry now funds most agricultural university research, the farmers are concerned about the lack of attention toward developing better pesticides that would minimize spraying. When the composite chemical tank pesticides don't do the job, Monsanto advises farmers to pull weeds by hand. Many crop fields are well over a thousand acres!

    GMO farmers are contractually barred from saving seeds for future crop planting. This violates a centuries old custom. They have to buy new GMO seeds from Monsanto for every new crop planting. A non-GMO farmer can save seeds to raise new crops. Even if GMO seeds are cheaper, in the long run the non-GMO farmer saves money since he's able to use seeds saved from prior plantings many times over.

    Even so, prices for non-GMO seeds have increased substantially as public (not patented) seeds are being crowded out of the market with Monsanto's government granted ability to patent seeds that are not genetically modified. Farmers hire professional seed cleaners to clean and sort their saved seeds. Monsanto harasses seed cleaners to ensure they are not mixing Monsanto's patented seeds with farmers' saved seeds.

    American farmers realize the co-existence of non-GMO fields with GMO fields is impossible. They've had to learn the hard way that cross pollination and seeds carried by wind and migrating birds contaminate their non-GMO fields. And Monsanto uses patent law to prosecute farmers, who have been unwittingly contaminated by nearby GM fields belonging to other farmers. This type of intimidation forces non-GMO farmers out of business.


    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/033264_fa...#ixzz1UXodzlFY

    At first this appeared to be the case. But within a short time, Roundup resistant weeds began sprouting. Different combinations of tank mixed herbicides had to be contrived and purchased in addition to Monsanto's contractually required Roundup herbicide. Monsanto even sold tank mixed herbicides as well.

    Not only did one pass not work, but farmers also attested to different combinations of herbicides with several passes, which included pre-emergence and post emergence spraying to manage their crops. The new weeds had become a plague. And GMO crop production wound up demanding even more pesticide applications than non-GMO commercial farming.

    Because the biotech industry now funds most agricultural university research, the farmers are concerned about the lack of attention toward developing better pesticides that would minimize spraying. When the composite chemical tank pesticides don't do the job, Monsanto advises farmers to pull weeds by hand. Many crop fields are well over a thousand acres!

    GMO farmers are contractually barred from saving seeds for future crop planting. This violates a centuries old custom. They have to buy new GMO seeds from Monsanto for every new crop planting. A non-GMO farmer can save seeds to raise new crops. Even if GMO seeds are cheaper, in the long run the non-GMO farmer saves money since he's able to use seeds saved from prior plantings many times over.

    Even so, prices for non-GMO seeds have increased substantially as public (not patented) seeds are being crowded out of the market with Monsanto's government granted ability to patent seeds that are not genetically modified. Farmers hire professional seed cleaners to clean and sort their saved seeds. Monsanto harasses seed cleaners to ensure they are not mixing Monsanto's patented seeds with farmers' saved seeds.

    American farmers realize the co-existence of non-GMO fields with GMO fields is impossible. They've had to learn the hard way that cross pollination and seeds carried by wind and migrating birds contaminate their non-GMO fields. And Monsanto uses patent law to prosecute farmers, who have been unwittingly contaminated by nearby GM fields belonging to other farmers. This type of intimidation forces non-GMO farmers out of business.


    Conclusion

    Michael Hart has vowed to promote GMO resistance to EU farmers. Beyond Hart's mission, health freedom activists, who are concerned about GMO threat to human health, should consider including disgruntled GMO and non-GMO commercial farmers in an international coalition of GMO resistance.

    You can view the Farmer to Farmer video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEX6...

    and fyi

    http://www.naturalnews.com/

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    lol....I find this ironic that tis is for sale....What are they going to do....Eat the money?...anyways ...food for thought and there are still good sites around for more research
    http://premium.naturalnews.tv/Food_P...l_Farm__NN.htm

    Personally I prefer a good book in my hand....Here are some basic points.

    * How much land you need to be completely food self-reliant.
    * Dynamic water harvesting and passive irrigation.
    * How to turn any soil into fertile black gold.
    * Which livestock to use and for what purposes.
    * How to create a solar food dehydrator using a few simple household materials.
    * Highly efficient techniques that homeowners can use, but commercial growers can't.
    * The role of dogs on a homestead.
    * How to convert your farm or urban back yard into a powerful food producing system.
    * Home butchering and seed saving techniques.
    * How to manage water sources and water quality.
    * The best ways to house and protect livestock from predators.
    * Everything you need to know about starting an incredible garden.
    * The importance of rain-water collection and harvesting systems.
    * How to create catfish ponds.
    * The best crops to grow.
    * How to use location and micro-climates to your best advantage.


    Also...XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX and a pinch to grow and inch.....Happy birthday to Rabana.....Sending hugs cuz sixty is too old for bumps...lol...xxoo

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    I'm outta thanks Mak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rabana View Post
    muchas gracias hermanas/many thank yous sisters
    hablo un poco Espanol/I speak a little Spanish... but we're supposed to only speak english... so does is it ok if we translate in the same message? It's kind like teaching...that's a positive no?
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    Last Post: 08-04-2008, 09:53 PM

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