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=] You keep making new threads for every single immature person out there who wishes to personally attack you, do not feed into their black energy Len. Be positive and keep carrying yourself with prestige. Namaste.
As a person that is not religious, by any definition of the term, I am finding in increasingly difficult to keep my threads on topic when so many people here believe that I am a "religious", "bible thumping", "evangelical" that is trying to "convert people" -- and yes I have been wrongly accused of all of these terms and projections on dozens of posts -- even when the accusation has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic and is just in intervening opinion (or vent session) -- and I have received many PM's from people telling me all about why they hate religion, and in a veiled fashion, also why they can't stand me -- simply because they've learned that I am a person of faith and don't hold back on saying so within my responses -- because that's who I am. Just as everyone else here has their beliefs and states them quite openly, no matter how absurd they might seem to others.
So for each time someone projects "their view" of Christianity onto "me", on a whim, and puts me and my beliefs in a stereotypical box, labeled, dated and packed, I am not longer going to politely explain that the person is mistaken. I am going to direct such people to this thread instead. Why? I wouldn't mind explaining, and I really don't mind. I have the patience -- but it seems, as I've been informed via several PM's, that my explanations, even though polite, concise, genuine, sincere and well structured -- are actually "inflammatory" merely because I have to keep explaining, and this makes me look like I am trying to defend my faith and therefore my honor -- which is also incorrect, if you'll allow me to explain further -- and I assure you that my reasoning is entirely logical and has nothing at all to do with having to be right or my honor.
I'd like to respectfully insist that if someone accuses me of believing something in which I do not believe or subscribe to, then to give a polite response informing the person of such is by no means (at least in my reality) being offensive, "defensive", inflammatory or argumentative. The reason I do this is simply so that the person understands, and so that I have one less person creating drama in my threads; so that mature, well structured and constructive conversation can resume.
I will say that pretty much everyone that has done this has stopped after I have offered an explanation. Sometimes it took several explanations. This includes all but a handful of members here which are following me around trying to get a reaction out of me -- who are also a MAJOR cause of much of the rhetoric described above -- but it seems that not to many "Indigo's" around here are willing to condemn their actions, and therefore I have to think of a way to deal with it myself -- and you'll have noticed for now that I am very thorough and persistent, because I believe in communication and communication is key to so many of the worlds problems.
This community has many members, and as people who are unaware of previous threads, or my explanations find my threads, they see all the abuse and drama and, as human nature dictates, immediately come to the conclusion that I am to blame because I am the thread starter and seem to believe that because I try to give each person a dignified response, even in spite of their poor behavior, that somehow I am trying to cause drama "myself". So I insist that the person is mistaken, politely ask them to review the thread more closely and they'll find that I have not said a single derogatory thing to anyone, and that I have been very patient. That is usually the last I hear of them.
However, this thread will help even further, for the people that are yet to discover my threads which are full of abuse and flaming by various members here, and when they pop in tell me all about why they hate religion or bible bashers -- merely because they see that my ways take God's word into account at a fairly persistent level (because of course -- I am a person of faith, so that's only natural), I can direct them to this thread instead of disrupting other threads further than they already have been.
Just a few facts, in case it might help you:
1). I do not agree with the organized religions of today -- even the Christian ones.
2). I do not preach to people, and nowhere in this forum or any other forum will you find me shouting from the hilltops: THUS SAYETH THE LORD! While expecting them to subscribe to what I say and convert to Christianity.
3). I am not regurgitating my fathers words -- I was not raised religiously or taken to church once as a child. My faith has come solely from personal life experience and a willing relationship with God, aided by his word the bible.
4). A great amount of the time, when people inform me of their opinions like: "I had a bible shoved down my throat, therefore organized religion sucks", or "religion is evil", or "The bible tells us to love", etc, I actually wholeheartedly agree. Yet the person seems so convinced that they're actually providing a valid reason as to why I should be badgered, merely because I have faith in God.
A lot of the projections are not only wrong, but also causing a great deal of friction that is preventing me from being able to communicate people in a logical manner -- and what I'd like to explain to people is that it is the communication barrier I am trying to break down, not my "honor" that I am trying to save.
5). I did not join this community to bash bibles over people's heads. I joined the community because I recently found out about Indigo's and Star Children and I came here to learn more about what it's all about. It is very difficult to learn anything if I have be come the community bible basher in the eyes of people here, because once a person gains a reputation, it is usually regurgitated over and over and over again -- which is a great communication barrier. I am merely trying to shake that barrier down, so that I can get back to the very reason I came here, which I explained in one of my Very First Introduction threads:
I am interested to share, learn and discuss.
Now -- you can tell me all about why you hate religion here in this thread. If I happen to mention my faith in another thread, and someone pops in and spews out some rant about why religion sucks, without actually responding to the topic, I'll not respond -- except to provide a link to this thread, where they can tell me all about what they hate and why they hate it until they're blue in the face.
Chances are, I'll most likely agree a majority of the time -- and the thread will also become a great learning tool and demonstration of why it is wrong to hate people and attack them and accuse and abuse them, merely because they happen to "mention" their faith on a thread that is not necessarily a religious one. I also how to teach people that it is not only cheap, juvenile and low to behave in such a way, but it is also a great communication barrier and preventer of love. Such behavior throws up walls -- and I can't stand walls.
*Disclaimer. For those of you who have great disdain for communication and believe that because I am willing to communicate, even if I am persistent -- that it is justification for attacking me and making accusations that I am a person who has to be right, and that I need to learn to let things go -- please understand, and by no means and I trying to put you down, but it seems that my communication skills, patience level, willingness to remove obstacles and to make friends out of enemies is probably something you can learn from -- not something to be despised.
=] You keep making new threads for every single immature person out there who wishes to personally attack you, do not feed into their black energy Len. Be positive and keep carrying yourself with prestige. Namaste.
Love, Light, and Peace.
The personal life deeply lived always expands into truths beyond itself.
Oh, but I have a method in my madness -- and it's working so wonderfully wellOriginally Posted by Indigo Warrior
It's working even better now that you've stopped by
Ok...too cute! Y'all need to exchange phone numbers and meet for coffee! hehe Just too cute!
Anybody who tries to tell you that they are the way or they are the light has, obviously, not met the indigo who has mastered the power of FREEWILL.
STOP (ask me how): http://indigosociety.com/9604-9600-9...604-t4639.html
I'm hearing ya and all, and yeah -- I think Indigo Warrior is pretty sweet but there's a few minor problems.Ok...too cute! Y'all need to exchange phone numbers and meet for coffee! hehe Just too cute!
1). I live in Australia
2). I am twice her age
3). I have never been in jail yet, and I'd like to keep it that way
Oh, but I have a method in my madness -- and it's working so wonderfully well
It's working even better now that you've stopped by
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OK. I don't hate religion, per se. I do, however, hate those who twist the basic principles of their respective religions to fit their own twisted logics and to secure for them a following of others who then become as twisted as themselves.
~~~~Everybody...let's twist again, like we did last summer~~~~~let's twist again, like we did last year~~~~
What was it Jesus said? "Lawyers and Pharisees, hypocrites! You go out to make one prosylite and you make him twice the son of hell as you are yourselves!" See?
Barbara
P.S. This is not a personal stab at you. I was merely responding to your question. If you take it personally, then maybe you need to go inside yourself and find out why.
P.P.S How in the world can you begin a thread with the title "Jesus is Lord. Do you have a problem with that?" and not see yourself as the source of your own dismay as a result of our responses to that? That title was an outright challenge and filled with animosity. It was the same as if you had come into a room filled with people like us and said that, then you stuck your chin out as if to say "Hit me! Hit me!" Think about it. Huh?
No problem here, as I agree entirely.OK. I don't hate religion, per se. I do, however, hate those who twist the basic principles of their respective religions to fit their own twisted logics and to secure for them a following of others who then become as twisted as themselves.
~~~~Everybody...let's twist again, like we did last summer~~~~~let's twist again, like we did last year~~~~
No problem here, as I agree entirely.
I don't have a problem with you offering your opinion, but I do have a problem with you giving advice, in advance, for how I may or may not feel before you've given me a chance to feel it. If you could cool it with the preemptive defense in future that would be highly appreciated -- because it is a little irritating - to be perfectly honest
This question has already been answered. I don't care much for the way you've structured your question -- to be perfectly honest, but I understand the question:P.P.S How in the world can you begin a thread with the title "Jesus is Lord. Do you have a problem with that?" and not see yourself as the source of your own dismay as a result of our responses to that? That title was an outright challenge and filled with animosity. It was the same as if you had come into a room filled with people like us and said that, then you stuck your chin out as if to say "Hit me! Hit me!" Think about it. Huh?
here is the response
Please read my explanation, and let me know if you're still rolling your eyes and feel that I am the source of my own dismay and that the title is filled with animosity -- because, and I am only being honest here, I think you're trying a little too hard to find fault in me.
why i am the way i am
religion gives people thoughts of seperation, a play if you Will play that way.
truth is that there is no real seperation between anything, just the game of illusion some like to play into.
The context of religion itself, gives people something to aspire towards, rather than themselves.
literally giving your power away, to some guy, youve never met in person, they do exist, but they do not require worship at all, nothing needs worship, nobody is on any type of fucking pedestal, no matter who they are.
no matter what they study or say, no matter what they do or dont do, regardless.
others may think differently, great for you! i am proud that you think for yourself, but i cant hear you because all you talk is shit!
honestly, again , aside from commending all others on doing what it is they do best for themselves...
You are aware ...
honestly, you can see more people on this site, read threads and posts than they do make them, know why?
theyre just curious as to what other people think.
they dont care what they think about something
they just want something to ridicule for being different
believe me i know, however, that is ALL about to change.
yes.
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Wake Up.
All of this "new age" is what has always been.
Wake Up.
Look Within.
Find Me, if you havent already.
We're All Instruments Of God
Reflections Of The Divine
I am A Your Brother Outside
Sister inside.
I Love You.
I Am That I Am
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[QUOTE=CandlesAlight;53156]
I don't have a problem with you offering your opinion, but I do have a problem with you giving advice, in advance, for how I may or may not feel before you've given me a chance to feel it. If you could cool it with the preemptive defense in future that would be highly appreciated -- because it is a little irritating - to be perfectly honest
We all have problems. Don't we?
Now, if in your opinion, I have in any way abused your sense of fairness or your feelings with my premeditated advice, then that is for you and you alone to decide but, I, too, am only trying to be "honest" as you claim to be yourself and I hope that we can now share in that knowledge of each other's honesty for these further discussions. You be honest in your way, and I'll be honest in mine and we'll get along just fine.
So, if you didn't like my "advice" then simply throw it out.
"I just like to stick with the facts. I find that petting people's insecurities usually doesn't do a whole lot of good. So in that manner, I can see how my personality might be viewed as harsh. "
I am not one to play up to other people's insecurites, either. I'm a real straight shooter.
"However, I am also extremely keen to understand people and to help people, and also to offer a lending hand. "
I can't say that about myself, though.I tend to be a much more self-absorbed, arrogant, and all around rude sort who walks away from those in need wherever I find them.
(Now, that above was meant to be snide, just so you'll know the difference between snide and straight, when dealing with me. But, I mean it all in good fun, really. I am enjoying laughing more than ever right now. )
I also endeavor until all last resorts to be patient, accommodating and understanding. I realize I am not perfect, my I do sincerely try to be reasonable and non-judgmental. I am also open for correction and I believe I am a person that will openly say; "I'm sorry I was wrong".
Not me, again. I have no patience whatsoever. I want what I want and I want it NOW!
However, this doesn't often happen because if the sheer amount of thought I put into everything that I undertake. Contrary to the stereotypical definition of one who has faith; that such people are gullible and will believe in anything they're told -- I would have to be one of the most devout critical thinkers one can come across. "
I can see that you put a lot of thought into your writing. I, too, am a very devout critical thinker and an eager student of just about everything under the sun. I hope I will still be learning something, seeking out some new and fascinating facts, when I'm drawing my last breath.
Please read my explanation, and let me know if you're still rolling your eyes and feel that I am the source of my own dismay and that the title is filled with animosity -- because, and I am only being honest here, I think you're trying a little too hard to find fault in me.[/QUOTE]
First off, I don't go looking for fault. I only call it out when it happens to flit across my line of sight.
Obviously I have read that post. I have included some of it here to address your points. And yes, I still believe that you have, for the most part, brought the difficulties upon yourself through your lack of foresight and the manner in which you initially presented your ideas. i.e. "Jesus is Lord. Do You have a problem with that?" So, yes, I do have a problem with that. He is not my lord. I don't do "dieties" of any sort, let alone one who demands my belief under threat of eternal torture. See?
And, despite the amounts of words you have presented to try to clear up what you perceived as misunderstandings, you are still plodding down the very road that you yourself paved. So, yes, I still believe that.
"Would you like ice with that, Ma'am?" "No. I like my whiskey, and my discussions, neat."
Barbara
The response is getting really off topic and piddley. You do not need to explain to me why you use smiles. You also do not have to, as I have already insisted, defend yourself from what I may or may not think, until I actually say something that you feel would warrant the defense. See that is what communication is for. One person says something and the other person gives a response. When either person starts throwing projections or preemptive defense up, it can really break down the communication. There's honestly nothing in the above response that needed to be said. Basically what has happened is that much of your first response was unnecessary and preemptively defensive, and when I told you as much you did it again. I think you need to just sit and take a few deep breaths be fore you respond. You know -- think a bit, because you seem to be typing on a lot of emotion and feeling and your message is getting all jumbled up in it all. That's just what I'm seeing.We all have problems. Don't we?
Again, another projection. No, in my opinion you have not abused me or my sense of fairness. I did not use the word premeditated either. I used the word preemptive. The definition of preemptive is to defend against something in case it happens, to make sure that it doesn't happen. ie: A preemptive attack on a country would be an attack to make sure that the other country doesn't attack first. I do not believe that preemptive decisions should be made in very special circumstances, but not as a way of life or as a basic foundation for communication.Now, if in your opinion, I have in any way abused your sense of fairness or your feelings with my premeditated advice, then that is for you and you alone to decide but, I, too, am only trying to be "honest" as you claim to be yourself and I hope that we can now share in that knowledge of each other's honesty for these further discussions. You be honest in your way, and I'll be honest in mine and we'll get along just fine.
I can't say I liked or disliked your advice. I read your response, and saw that much of it was a projection and preemptive in nature. I only informed you as such so that you might have a think about it and the next response wouldn't be so defensive in nature. To be perfectly honest, it's a bit of a waste of time to try to presume what someone may or may not think of your reply and leap over their reply to give a response in advance. There are a few people doing that around this community, and if I can get those who are responsible to see that they are doing it, it will be to help them, not to hurt them. I'll never abuse anyone. Anything I offer is always offered in sincerity, just as this very post is right now.So, if you didn't like my "advice" then simply throw it out.
I have no intention of arguing, thread dancing, or battling it out. I am only interested in reasonable and constructive communication.I am not one to play up to other people's insecurites, either. I'm a real straight shooter.
You should probably rethink those attributes and see if you can do something about it.[COLOR="Black"][COLOR="Black"]I can't say that about myself, though.
No need for the explanation. Glad you are laughing though
This is probably something you should look into as well. Patience is a great virtue.Not me, again. I have no patience whatsoever. I want what I want and I want it NOW!
Yes, I do put a lot of thought into my writing, but more so, I always consider the writings of others extremely carefully. Even the comments where someone is outright abusing me and swearing at me. If someone is behaving in a way that I do not see as useful, I'll think about it and try to understand that there's a reason behind their actions. My response will always try to take those reasons, whether they are readily apparent or not into account. The last thing I'll ever do is start retaliating. However, it seems that just by giving a response, and keeping in mind that it is human nature to instinctively throw up defenses, many people around here view my simple, polite responses as retaliation because that is what they were expecting. However, I know full well that sooner or later, each and every person that communicated with me will understand that it's not necessary.
I wholeheartedly believed at the time I insisted that you were looking for fault, that you were indeed looking for fault. However, now you've clearly stated that you were not looking for fault, so unless I have reason to come to this conclusion again, I can only be fair and say, ok -- you were not looking for fault.First off, I don't go looking for fault. I only call it out when it happens to flit across my line of sight.
Again, I ask you to read this explanation of the title:
Because you appear not to have read the explanation the first time I asked you to take a look, because you have shown no indication that you did look, or offered any comment on the explanation itself, I can only insist again that you've take a look. The title is just a title. You should never judge a book by its cover. Titles by their very nature cannot be understood without reading the article that it's assigned to. In my most humble opinion, to have a problem with a title (of anything) displays a high degree of ignorance.
As far as I can see, I am plodding down the same old road of understanding as I patiently wait for each person I communicate to in life to learn how to communicate without judgments, projections, prejudices and even plain out insults and the use of foul language -- which are all traits that I do not have any faith in whatsoever.
I highly recommend that you consider the above response, and that if you respond, you try to do so without veiled sarcasm. I do not accept the excused you have provided in regards to preemptive defense, the fact that you still do not understand the title of the thread, or that I am the source of my own dismay. The reason for this does not source from emotion, or that my sense of fairness has been abused (as you put it) -- but only because within your last two responses I can't find anything to do with the topic at all (or an understanding of it) -- or any direct response to anything specifically, except for malformed opinions made on projections, defensiveness and emotion."Would you like ice with that, Ma'am?" "No. I like my whiskey, and my discussions, neat."
Yes you're sitting here trying to tell me all about what you think. There's no way known you're going to get a response saying: "ok, I agree" in the above situation. If you're aspiring for agreeance out of me, then what I suggest is that you read the topic, understand the title, make some constructive responses, and I'll tell you whether I agree or not. But to this point, you're pulling me into a piddley discussion that not only has anything to do with the topic, but is splitting hairs, can only cause more of what we're enduring right now -- which is pathetic and serves no purpose whatsoever.
Lastly, just because you have a smiley after every second sentence, it doesn't do anything for a person that is reading the words and the intend behind them -- as far as trying to make them believe you're just trying to keep think light. They're little pictures made out of pixels. The over use of smiles in a response full of disagreement displays at best, emotional confusion or at worse, veiled sarcasm.
Last edited by CandlesAlight; 01-05-2008 at 03:37 AM.
I agree. Religion is a man made concept, and we could all do without it. There is only one supreme creator, and all reality was created by that one supreme creator. Therefore, there is no need for religion, because by definition, religion could mean the worship of anything -- even a chair. If each and every person lived their lives according to the one true creator, then the word religion wouldn't even exist. There would be no wars fought over man made religion, and there would be not hate caused by religion.
I agree entirely, as with my comment above. There is only one true reality, and we're all in it. A huge problem starts when people genuinely feel and believe that they can create their own special, conformable reality. It's all just an illusion, and people like to play into it because illusions can be a comfort to people who have a hard time accepting reality. This is why it says in the bible that some people take the wide road and some people take the narrow road. The meaning of this is that some people try to take the easy and comfortable way, but it doesn't lead anywhere. The road just gets wider and wider, and leads into a total desolate wilderness. Those who take the narrow road cannot get lost, and it's a little more difficult sometimes, because it takes courage, but the narrow road leads to truth.
If I were to type the above sentence; my version would be: "The context of religion itself, gives people something to aspire towards, rather than God". In my opinion, one can't aspire towards themselves. People are who they are, they can only aspire towards something better.
I wholeheartedly agree. There are so many religions on this earth that it's all but impossible to find the true number of them. Every one of them believe in something different, and it seems that as time has passed it has got even worse, to the point where each and every person can create their own personal religion. In my opinion, the whole situation is absurd. If people would just get off the wide road and accept that there is one supreme creator and that he created us and has a plan for us, that would go a long way towards preventing all the confusion and conflict of the world.
I don't believe I talk shit at all. I'll give you that I am not perfect, and that I don't have the answers for everything, but if what I have learned in this life is shit, and if what I speak about my views and opinion is shit, then I think you're being rather hypocritical -- especially on a community like this, which is supposed to be so open and loving of others -- unconditionally. I can honestly say that I am yet to see evidence of that, and in comparison to the rest of the word as a whole, what I see is a lot of people ready to pamper each others fantasies, but if someone comes along that is a bit more real about things -- he talks "shit".
Saying I love you and all my light to you and great energy for this person or that person means absolutely nothing if when it comes to the crunch, those very same people bare fangs and squirts streams of venom and foul language. The place of such a person is not even close to enlightened -- it is a extremely dark and dangerous place, full of fantasy and illusion.
I will never commend someone for being lost and confused and unsure on which direction to follow, to the point that they have to check with others to see if what they are following is better. This insecurity is a demonstration of the confusion people have. The only action I will ever commend is a wholehearted love for our creator. A willingness to accept that without our creator we wouldn't even be here, and that he loves us in return. Anything else, I will overlook until a person sees the light -- and I am a person that is a voice in that light, who says yes, you're on to something now -- come this way -- this is where the truth is.
Last edited by CandlesAlight; 01-05-2008 at 04:07 AM.
Peace.
Last edited by Juice; 08-14-2008 at 04:48 PM.
The response is getting really off topic and piddley. You do not need to explain to me why you use smiles. You also do not have to, as I have already insisted, defend yourself from what I may or may not think, until I actually say something that you feel would warrant the defense. See that is what communication is for
One person says something and the other person gives a response. When either person starts throwing projections or preemptive defense up, it can really break down the communication. There's honestly nothing in the above response that needed to be said. Basically what has happened is that much of your first response was unnecessary and preemptively defensive, and when I told you as much you did it again. I think you need to just sit and take a few deep breaths be fore you respond. You know -- think a bit, because you seem to be typing on a lot of emotion and feeling and your message is getting all jumbled up in it all. That's just what I'm seeing.
See that is what communication is for
One person says something and the other person gives a response. When either person starts throwing projections or preemptive defense up, it can really break down the communication. There's honestly nothing in the above response that needed to be said.
This above is insulting in the extreme, Sir! You do not tell me what I need or do not need to say! You do not dictate to me what my thoughts and opinions should be or what words I should or should not use in responding to you. You are being arrogant and paternalistic and pedantic and that is immensely rude and insulting!
Do not presume to teach me what communication is, either. I have a high degree of education and a much higher than average IQ. So, in other words, your perception of your own supposed superior intelligence is in reality only a crutch upon which you can rest your oh, soo heavy head. But I have a remedy for that heaviness....read on.
You, sir, are what we here in the States, call a "Control Freak." You seek to control our conversations simply because you believe that since you started them off, you have the right to demand how we will respond and how the conversations will proceed. When they don't go as planned, you get peevish and insulting or you whine at how you are being mis-understood in effect, making many of the people on this site feel sorry for making you feel that way. That is a form of mental/emotional manipulation and another common tool of a control freak. (others would call a typical control freak a Narcissist)
You keep telling us what to say, or denigrating what we have said, and you do so with such seeming calmness that you must actually believe that you are being reasonable when in all honesty, yes, there's that word again, when in all honesty, all you are doing is making a very public display of your arrogance and your controlling ways....IOWs you are embarrassing yourself and making people dislike you, thoroughly.
Good conversation is a glorious thing! It begins on one tack then it sails off in many varied directions before it reaches its next port. With each new bit of breeze called up by each new speaker, it rolls over the swelling seas with grace or clumsiness but, either way, it rolls on until it reaches its destination. Wherever or whenever that may be is not up to you, though. It was never truly yours to control. Once you've begun it, it becomes whatever it becomes... be that good, bad or otherwise indifferent to your intentions for it. This ship is a living thing once it leaves port and it is beautiful.
Now, That is what conversation truly is, sir.
I will address your other points as I see fit.
You may consider this post as a shot fired across your bow. (If you do not understand what that means, I suggest you ask someone to explain it to you. )
Barbara
Im sorry CandlesALight! I think you secretly have good intentions but BMoodys last post left you ( See pic ) ---->
"Again, another projection. No, in my opinion you have not abused me or my sense of fairness. I did not use the word premeditated either. I used the word preemptive. The definition of preemptive is to defend against something in case it happens, to make sure that it doesn't happen. ie: A preemptive attack on a country would be an attack to make sure that the other country doesn't attack first. I do not believe that preemptive decisions should be made in very special circumstances, but not as a way of life or as a basic foundation for communication."
Here comes my response to you... As I see fit
Ahh, how arrogant! How superior his intellect! ( How droll I can be!)
"I did not use the word premeditated either. I used the word preemptive. "
I used the word "premeditated". I chose it for comedic effect. I never accused you of using that word, neither did I place quotes around it to, in any way, imply that I was quoting you. Why you thought I was accusing you of having used that word is a complete and utter mystery to me.
Now, I am perfectly aware of the meaning of the word "preemptive" and I use it myself when I choose to. Again, do not tell me what to say or do simply because my humor escapes you..(or for any other reason, for that matter) Even though I was being very, very clear in that post that I was being humorous, you obviously didn't get it at all. Shame. Must be something in the translation from American to Ozzie English...but I could be wrong. But, then again, I'm not likely to be wrong because I take the utmost care and consideration when I write...just like you do.
Now, did you get that? I was reminding you of something that you said in a previous post about the un-likelihood of your making a mistake in your communications because you take such care in composing them. Then I was saying that I take the same amount of care in composing my posts as you do. See? I know, I know. Sometimes I have to spell these things out for some people like you, Candles. But, that's alright. I have time.
Oh, and I believe it might help if I remind you that I will not bend myself to suit your insecurities or your demands, nor will I speak to your particular sensibilities. I do not bend my knee or my words to anyone, and I am not impressed by your pedantic explanations and definitions. Do we understand each other?
Barbara
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As far as I can see, I am plodding down the same old road of understanding as I patiently wait for each person I communicate to in life to learn how to communicate without judgments, projections, prejudices and even plain out insults and the use of foul language -- which are all traits that I do not have any faith in whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by BMoody
"Would you like ice with that, Ma'am?" "No. I like my whiskey, and my discussions, neat."
I highly recommend that you consider the above response, and that if you respond, you try to do so without veiled sarcasm. I do not accept the excused you have provided in regards to preemptive defense, the fact that you still do not understand the title of the thread, or that I am the source of my own dismay. The reason for this does not source from emotion, or that my sense of fairness has been abused (as you put it) -- but only because within your last two responses I can't find anything to do with the topic at all (or an understanding of it) -- or any direct response to anything specifically, except for malformed opinions made on projections, defensiveness and emotion.
[COLOR="Indigo"]Yes you're sitting here trying to tell me all about what you think. Yes!
Exactly! I was trying to explain something about how I think; to give you, a complete stranger to me, a little insight into me and how I do things. But, you don't give a damn about learning how other people think because you are soo wrapped up in your own little self that you can't or won't see beyond yourself to anyone or anything else. Classic Narcissism! IOWs, you are self absorbed, Candles. Self absorbed and egotistical and therefore immune to the words, thoughts or feelings of others because you don't really care, you don't reallly want to hear what we have to say, no matter how much you protest to the contrary. All you want to do is to have your say, and damn the rest of us! Not nice. Really.
There's no way known you're going to get a response saying: "ok, I agree" in the above situation. If you're aspiring for agreeance out of me, then what I suggest is that you read the topic, understand the title, make some constructive responses, and I'll tell you whether I agree or not.
I'm beginning to doubt your ability to comprehend what you read, here. Hmmmm.
All I was asking you to agree with me on was that neither you nor I want to be misunderstood....see my own quote below;
So, just as you don't want me, or anyone on here, to misunderstand you, I don't want you to misunderstand me. OK? Are we in agreement on that point?
Now do you get it? Or will it take more explaining?
I highly recommend that you consider the above response, and that if you respond, you try to do so without veiled sarcasm.
My sarcasm/snide remarks were never veiled in that post. I told you exactly when I was being snide, and I told you and everyone else who might read that post that I was doing it in fun, not in mean-ness but, you obviously missed all of that... Try re-reading it and see if you get it now.
But to this point, you're pulling me into a piddley discussion that not only has anything to do with the topic, but is splitting hairs, can only cause more of what we're enduring right now -- which is pathetic and serves no purpose whatsoever.
Ahh, piddley, piddley, piddley. I'm afraid I missed my mark if what you got out of it was only "piddley".
I do not split hairs. I am not pathetic! And I serve many very good purposes! I am strong and I will not accept an insult like this from you sitting down or standing up, you insulting Sonnuva...
I suppose you got that one, huh?
Lastly, just because you have a smiley after every second sentence, it doesn't do anything for a person that is reading the words and the intend behind them -- as far as trying to make them believe you're just trying to keep think light.
You create your own reality. I create mine with a lot of help from the emotional indicators.
Please do not speak in the third person, when what you mean is you don't understand.
Irritating isn't it? I don't expect that you like it any more than I do when someone tells you how to talk or how to behave or what to think, huh? I know you can dish it out but, the important thing is, can you take it when someone throws it back at you? So far you have shown that you can't take it. Shame.
Back to the smilies, they help me to more clearly express my intents. But, if you'd rather guess at my intent, or assume that you know better than I do about what I intended to say or mean, then any misunderstandings are your fault and no fault of mine! I wrote clearly. You couldn't comprehend. Learn.
They're little pictures made out of pixels. The over use of smiles in a response full of disagreement displays at best, emotional confusion or at worse, veiled sarcasm.[/COLOR]
I'm not even going to respond to that last dig...I just wanted to include it here at the bottom for anyone else who might have missed it the first time around. Insults and arrogance, insults and arrogance.
Barbara
Last edited by BMoody; 01-05-2008 at 02:27 PM.
yeah well i think you're crazy =]! namaste.Oh, but I have a method in my madness -- and it's working so wonderfully well
It's working even better now that you've stopped by
Love, Light, and Peace.
The personal life deeply lived always expands into truths beyond itself.
Oh, but I have a method in my madness -- and it's working so wonderfully well
It's working even better now that you've stopped by
Hey, get this, folks! This boy's got some sinister and devious plan in coming here and provoking us. And, I bet I know what it is. Yes, I think I do know what it is and I'm going to share my thoughts with you all....
You see, I believe that Candles didn't come here alone. I believe he has come accompanied by several, perhaps more than several, of his loyal Christian friends and they are here as guests so they can simply observe how Candles plies his devious trade amongst us!
You see? Many fundamentalist Christians today view us as their enemies, and many will go to extremes to make that supposed "fact" clear to their followers...so, they come to sites like IS in order to prove to their fellow believers that we are, indeed, their enemies. And, they do this by making us their enemies through the bizarre, rude, and incredibly provocative posts and threads they make. Just like CandlesAlight has been doing these past few days.
So, this is what Candles and his cronies are doing....following the first rule of war according to Sun Tzu.. "Know your enemy".
( But, if you don't happen to have any enemies, just go out and make some!
I just thought some of you might like to consider this as you go about your dealings with CandlesAlight. Or, perhaps we should just ignore him now that he's made his point?
Barbara
Last edited by BMoody; 01-06-2008 at 09:47 AM.
i love and respect ALL religions. Though I may not agree with all of them.
i actually love to study religions, very interesting!! <3
i also love Barbara! and everyone else in their own way =]
Last edited by *~i GlOw 0F iNdIgO~*; 01-05-2008 at 07:28 PM.
"..although I'd like to join the crowd, in their enthusiastic cloud, try as I may it doesn't last."-Sally's song.
"Stand up for what you believe is right, even if you're standing .ALONE."
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