What it has been like for me being more removed from media....

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Hi All,

I wanted to talk to you about something I have experienced.

I moved from the east coast of the USA to Colorado almost two years ago.

In NJ (on the east coast) I watched TV. I paid attention to the news. I knew all of the horrible things going on and 'experts' opinions of these things. I shopped in stores that had magazines and daily newspapers. I saw...even if I didn't buy...updated news on the celebrities and local scandals while I was checking out. I really cared about things that were going on in the world. I had emotions over this stuff. Sometimes it consumed me.

In CO, the town I live in has a monthly newspaper that is pretty thick and has no news from out of the area. NONE. I also don't have cable or satellite. There are no other newspapers or magazines sold for probably 50 miles. You may be able to find a Denver Paper 15 or so miles away. There are no advertisement signs and the businesses have modest signs so you know that building has that business. I do check CNN headlines almost daily to see if anything huge has happened. But nothing seems huge anymore.

I knew there was that Gulf oil mess, but I really didn't have emotion tied to it. I believe if I had watched the news or read newspapers and magazines, I would have been traumatized by it. I for sure would have had a great deal of sadness and fear and anger. I have no idea what is going on with the Obama administration and those who oppose it. There are a few things I know...the healthcare bill is pissing everyone off and some say they will go to jail if they don't have insurance, Don't Ask Don't Tell was repealed, the TeaParty was a big thing this election, there was a shooting in Arizona and the target was a woman in Congress. She was pronounced dead at first (I thought I read that) but is now alive. A judge died. I think that is why the flag is at half mast at the post office. I just found out today that a child died too.

Anyway, my point is...I just don't care. It doesn't bother me anymore. I know that sounds heartless and I almost feel compelled to put myself in a bad mood to feel bad about things. But it isn't worth it. What good would it do? It never accomplished anything before. I certainly didn't help save the world by grieving over worldly catastrophes. I don't even care about saving the world.

All I care about is saving my world. Finding peace in me so that I see it in my world.

Life is just simpler if you don't have to deal with the things the media wants you to deal with.
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«  » by builderofcastles
Good day

There are quite a lot of points in your post, but they are all intertwined, I will try to add
some clarity to what you feel.

Michael Moore, in his half documentary, half farce, Bowling For Columbine discusses many
differences between Canada and the United States. He compares rural Canada with
urban US. (fair comparison there... right) Anyway, one point he shows, but doesn't
bring to the table. Canada's new is like, "This Happened"; US's new is, "OH MY GOD,
THIS HAPPENED, AND YOU SHOULD FEEL VERY BAD ABOUT IT, here is our 5 part in depth
look at it. Mr. JustMadeExpert, what do you feel about this horrible bad incident?"

The LA riots that happened almost 10 years ago now, was caused because and only from
reporters. A known, belligerent, druggy high on PCP attacked cops (again) and the cops
went WAY overboard putting him down. Now, the cops had to put him down, in most other
cities he would have just been shot. (imagine trying to constrain a big guy, who is
extra extra strong and impervious to pain, PCP) So, instead of disciplining or removing
the officers as going to far, they decided to try to make it a black hate crime.
And then the papers reported more and more "How you should feel" and less and less facts.
I was near during that time, and it took me quite a bit of digging to find out actual facts.
And, why should I have had to dig for facts in an everyday front page news article?
It was the reporting, not the actual event.

I feel it is good to stay informed, however, in the US, you get a lot of programming with
your information. And this programming is very difficult to get out of your system.
it literally tears you up from the inside.

Now, there is the opposite side too. The gulf oil spill. What are they doing about it?
No one knows. Why?


Another important aspect of this puzzle is that what is important to your life is what
is happening right around you. Knowing everything from everywhere else is not
really important to your life.

And, if this information programs you to feel bad, then this non important information
has just killed you a little bit. You should seek peace and joy in all activities.


If you have a sad friend, getting yourself sad too, will not help out the friend.
If you are joyful, you have a chance of getting your friend up from sadness.
The current US programming, is if they feel bad, you should feel bad too.
How dare you be happy, when there is someone out there that is feeling bad?

There will always someone out there that feels bad. We could have a house
for every single person, and there will still be homeless. The homeless person
will have to change to better their own spiritual being.


We could enact a law making everyone equal (redistribute all the money)
and there will still be poor. It is not the lack of money that makes lower
class poor, it is there outlook on life. If they change their outlook, they
will stop being poor. Making everyone poor, will do nothing but make
everybody else feel bad too.


So, to summarize:
All of this news being broadcast is usually not necessary for you life.
All of this news comes with a heavy dose of guilt that you do NOT need.
Avoiding the guilt is worth not knowing all of what is happening.

Be well

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«  » by h0bby1
the problem with media is most the time they give a point of view mixed up with the info, they never give raw information, they always add a way to behave to it, with a strong position taking, or what you should do about it, or you should feel about it, almost they use random news to show their position about something, let say they want to enforce a point of view about guns, they will point out criminality, if they want to show their position about how great they do with saving birds, they will put info about saving birds, and even when it is not for this, they always add a lot of thing that show a point of view that seem rational and well presented, my father always told that tv was predigested idea, like you just have to listen to medias and tv to have a premade opinion about everything, and it is clear media are a lot used to impose a position when faced with something specific, i don't know if you already heard of guy debord and the spectacle society book, he speak a lot about this and how media are used in this way, to make a kind of spectacle and show life like a bit in a safari with the guy commentating this is a giraf and this is a lion, and everything made in a way to divert ppl from making their own opinion about something =) about we are bombarded on info about the now, the now broadcasted from everywhere all the time, and how real daily matter become a bit in background in the mind compared to this =)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatre_of_Situations
One of the first times in which [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Paul_Sartre"]Jean-Paul Sartre[/url] discussed the concept of Situation was in the context of theatre, in his 1947 essay For a Theatre of Situations.[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatre_of_Situations#cite_note-0"][1][/url] A passage that has been frequently quoted is the following, in which he defines the Theater of Situations:[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatre_of_Situations#cite_note-1"][2][/url][INDENT] if it's true that man is free in a given situation and that in and through that situation he chooses what he will be, then what we have to show in the theatre are simple and human situations and free individuals in these situations choosing what they will be.... The most moving thing the theatre can show is a character creating himself, the moment of choice, of the free decision which commits him to a moral code and a whole way of life.
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[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectacle_%28Situationism%29"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectacle_%28Situationism%29[/url]


Different forms

Debord later modified his argument, and claimed that the spectacle manifests itself in three different forms:
[[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spectacle_%28critical_theory%29&action=edit§ion=3"]edit[/url]] The concentrated spectacle

The spectacle associated with concentrated bureaucracy. Debord associated this spectacular form mostly with the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Bloc"]Eastern Bloc[/url] and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism"]Fascism[/url], although today mixed backward economies import it, and even advanced capitalist countries in times of crisis. Every aspect of life, like property, music, and communication is concentrated and is identified with the bureaucratic class. The concentrated spectacle generally identifies itself with a powerful political leader. The concentrated spectacle is made effective through a state of permanent violence and police terror.
[[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spectacle_%28critical_theory%29&action=edit§ion=4"]edit[/url]] The diffuse spectacle

The spectacle associated with advanced [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism"]capitalism[/url] and commodity abundance. In the diffuse spectacle, different commodities conflict with each other, preventing the consumer from consuming the whole. Each commodity claims itself as the only existent one, and tries to impose itself over the other commodities:[INDENT] Irreconcilable claims jockey for position on the stage of the affluent economy's unified spectacle, and different star commodities simultaneously promote conflicting social policies. The automobile spectacle, for example, strives for a perfect traffic flow entailing the destruction of old urban districts, while the city spectacle needs to preserve those districts as tourist attractions.
[RIGHT]– Guy Debord, The Society of the Spectacle[/RIGHT]
[/INDENT]The diffuse spectacle is more effective than the concentrated spectacle. The diffuse spectacle operates mostly through seduction, while the concentrated spectacle operates mostly through violence. Because of this, Debord argues that the diffuse spectacle is more effective at suppressing non-spectacular opinions than the concentrated spectacle.
[[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spectacle_%28critical_theory%29&action=edit§ion=5"]edit[/url]] The integrated spectacle

The spectacle associated with modern capitalist countries. The integrated spectacle borrows traits from the diffuse and concentrated spectacle to form a new synthesis. Debord argues that this is a very recent form of spectacular manifestation, and that it was pioneered in France and Italy. According to Debord, the integrated spectacle goes by the label of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy"]liberal democracy[/url]. This spectacle introduces a state of permanent general secrecy, where experts and specialists dictate the morality, statistics, and opinions of the spectacle. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism"]Terrorism[/url] is the invented enemy of the spectacle, which specialists compare with their "liberal democracy", pointing out the superiority of the latter one. Debord argues that without terrorism, the integrated spectacle wouldn't survive, for it needs to be compared to something in order to show its "obvious" perfection and superiority.

[INDENT] We live in a spectacular society, that is, our whole life is surrounded by an immense accumulation of spectacles. Things that were once directly lived are now lived by proxy. Once an experience is taken out of the real world it becomes a commodity. As a commodity the spectacular is developed to the detriment of the real. It becomes a substitute for experience. (Larry Law, Images And Everyday Life)
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those guyz situationist are interesting, they are a bit the last modern 'revolutionary thinkers' , they criticised in fact both eatern and western block , and were radical in the critics of medias, which is the common point between both system how they control medias and instrumentalise them to make ppl thinking in a way or another, it is very powerfull, their theory to go against this was criticsing of the media throught the media, and for this in fact his method was a bit decridibilise or remove some serious from the media, or relativise a bit the importance of it, he was doing often very cynical thing, cynical is not really the word, but maybe things close to monty python, a bit stupid like this, and in the same time with a realy touch of big fat cynism about media and society, and it is true media rarely analyse each other, you never see an article from a newspaper against another, you rarely see a tv show about this tv channel or that tv presentator, or that journalist, it would be a kind of form of canibalism for them and they don't analyse each other, which leave a bit of secrecy behind the function and the relation this journalist or tv presentator or tv channel have with this or that politician this is very taboo, and it give a whole media of hypocrisy and spectacle

there was a tv channel that was cool in france, they were an associative tv and generally making either doucemnentary or debate about society topic, or either on some kind of street art or involved a bit in things like protest and all knd of thing in fact, and they were totally not serious in their approach, they were little bugdet tv and they were not actor and they were really funny, and often inviting interesting person of this or that sector and were always havng a very pragmatic approach on daily life things, with ppl that are not actors, their local was really cool, i have been there , there local is near paris and it was open to anyone, anyone come into their local and say hi to them, sometime they were even having beers on the antenna during a debate lol sometime it was going total freestyle but it was really improvised, it was really more realistic, it a cool tv, but it has stoped now with our new president, they were too much asking for a program and general line of programs, to put into the censorhsip system and to work it out with what they are allowed or not to broadcast, and it was impossible for them to define this lol but they were a nice tv a bit in this spirit =)
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yeah i avoid the newspapers news and most tv shows, for a very long time now.

i feel like the media, adverts, tv shows, and movies...have a really profound effect on people which somehow seems....subtle. but it's not at all subtle. like their internal stories and perceptions are entrained to follow the plot lines from both news and movies, the amount of violence and epic weirdness that goes on seems normal. and then people enact these kinds of plot twists, and perceptions to their own lives.

tho because i rarely watch any tv or any of that, i do so enjoy it when i choose the programs to watch on my computer. so i can say i enjoy some of it..a lot, and especially since it's rare for me to get to watch tv and movies.

.but feel a lot of it is toxic to the mind, in a way, because it gets into people s head- and makes them re enact certain memes, ideas, plot lines- in their own stories.
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i watch really few movie and i rarely watch tv too, sometime like this, i go to cinema or something like this, but watching movie or tv at home really bore me lol plus it is always the same crap nothing new lol
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the oil spill kind of thing is very typical thing where they take a strong position, like showing image of ppl courageously cleaning their shit, and not too much speaking about how much bp sux and a whole polemic on oil buisness, or even technical or other things, many point of view could have been taken on this, things are always organised like in the media to induce a reaction to an event, or even creating fake event to create a reaction, like in the cold war for example, they did this a lot, even when ppl say they use terrorists group also to create an event, and just after , the whole policy is already set up in the media, the day after you know who did it, why, and what we will do about it, it all look very well organised the way they present the information about how the different party are involved, and filling ppl with premade idea about everything, about this person, about this group, in fact you don't know a anything about those person, nobody knew about obama 10 year ago ,the whole past and things about all ppl in the media are totally occulted, to be replaced with a kind of actor role payed to say we need to do this we need do that, and it need to create a kind of characters, it is like a theater :p different idea are put in place , it is not stallin either, but well in the end, they all defend some kind of big group somewhere, and always defend a position or a kind of identity that ppl idenfity to, and in the end it is all fake and the person are not like this at all in real life, and same how they threat with most event in the world, wars never been so beautifull, for freedom and everything, it is better than fiction it is poetry :p
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I watch some shows on my computer too. I love IMDB. I do feel it's better than having a tv I can flip through channels and watch 24 hour news channels.
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Jersey Shore leads me to believe that conspiracy theorists are right-- it is very possible to get paid for lounging around and doing nothing while the whole world watches your every move.
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lol, jersey shore is one of the shows i watched on my computer. i'm from jersey so i just had to.
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