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    Ancient alien theory/who is the devil?

    I'm very big on the ancient alien theory, i've researched it a lot, I have read stichin's books, and read a lot about the anunnaki, and it makes sense to me.. So my question is if aliens were mistaken as gods in many religions, then exactly what is the devil, or the other evil beings that are mentioned in religions mistaken for? In christianity the devil is this evil being with minions (demons), and lives underground in some sort of firey pit and wishes to corrupt mankind with evil, etc, hades in greek mythology has SORT of the same thing going on, and I'm not too sure about other religions but I know that many either have some evil being(s), or have some creature like the devil.. So if the ancient alien theory is true, I say if because although it seems logical to me I can't prove it so I'm not going to say that IT IS TRUE, exactly who or what does the devil represent? Could he and his minions represent some sort of evil species that in fact used to live in the earth or something? When the devil and these religions were made they didn't know too much about the inner parts of earth, now that we have advanced technologically we know that underneath the crust of earth there are things that look the way hell is described, magma could represent the firey atmosphere that is talked about in hell, etc, was there some sort of evil species that used to live in the inner parts of earth or something? I know that that may sound crazy but i'm just trying to put two and two together with the ancient alien theory..

    If you don't believe in the ancient alien theory, that is fine, but I would really like this thread to be a thread where helpful comments are posted, so if you disbelieve the theory and feel inclined to bash it, please don't, I would like helpful nontrolling comments to be left, lol.. Also, I know that a lot of you believe in "evil shapeshifting reptilian whores" or whatever, (everything that I have heard about shapeshifting reptilians seems to be a load of bullshit with a large lack of evidence and reliable resources) so if you leave that as an answer try to provide an explanation as to why that is the answer because if you don't it really wouldn't help either, lol.. Thanks guys

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    That's a huge and tricky subject.

    There are many tangents. Usually I write a huge "paper" like post on the whole spiel. But this time I'll try and keep it brief .

    To me, the "devil" is more like the DemiUrgus, and the Archons of the gnostic interpretation. They are collectives of beings (as they appear to us from down here), or a "unified" consciousness of massive proportions who sort of created "encapsulated" realities for their own purposes. Such as the being that believes it is God but it truly is not the "One...."

    For an interesting take on the Annunaki, google: James Wingmakers Project Camelot interview....you will see a fascinating take on the genetic and mental aspect of human consciousness imprisonment, but I disagree with many of his statements. Still good read though.

    The Annunaki, to some within the occult, and others (those who read sitchins book) are not our "creators." Although I guess you could say, they ARE the "creators" of what you would call the current human body. More like, the "splicers" and "molders." In other words, the Annunaki, like the Atlanteans in a similar fashion, were "slavers." All the "holy" and occult teachings we have here on earth (well most of them anyways) are representations of the Annunaki system of enlightenment/creation. This is the 11 sphered path. And there is also the 10 sphered path (which some might say, is a representative of the Drakonian collective).

    The path does not truly matter, but different "templates" were created for different beings, and the DemiUrgus, the Archons, and the beings that represent this "God" or "Creator" created an entire system, genetic and dimensional (through manipulation of the natural mechanics) that is designed to "trap" the pure essences of the Source/One/God within a "dimensionalized" system that is based on creative/destructive processes, recycling, and finite cycles (which veil the infinite). It is a very "strict" path back towards the Creator/God.

    This is why there is a debate between those who believe YH*H is the true ultimate name of the creator, and others who think of him more like the "devil." In my eyes, the true creator has no gender. It is beyond all such limitations and even scalar sequences that make up a name (YH*H). It is both feminine and male, light and dark, tri-polar, omni polar, and no-polar (neutral). This "One/Source" consciousness has many identities which can also be labeled as "creators." They are aspects of the God/Source consciousness that represent different things....

    So there is no true "devil" because any such devil, no matter which way you look at it, is an aspect of "God." There is NOTHING that exists outside the soruce consciousness. If there WAS a "devil" it would be the massive creator-like being who assumes that he (just to put into context) IS "God" and is above all things, and as such sees it his task/goal to manipulate from a higher vantage point.

    Some say, that Anu (the Annu-Elohim, a fallen group of creator beings), the "king" of the annunaki, is also such a force or slaver. Who knows, he might be the same one. It is said that the Annunaki wanted to create a slave race, and thus created human beings. I think this is a CLEVER ploy to make us revere them as our creators. Implanted into our history, after we "fell" and lost all our higher cognitive abiltiies, and had to rely on their "guidance" to move throughout the centuries. There are also many indigos/starseeds/lightworkers who say that either we willingly agreed, or they got the "rights" (like a contract) to become the new owners of "earth" and our genetic/bodily destiny (of evolution).

    For many, what I'm saying is beyond blasphemy. But that is not important to me at this point. The "true" God loves all things as it is all things.

    To me, what is the "anti christ" force is what separates us from unity (christ) consciousness. It's really that simple. But the Romans, the Catholics, and others purposefully implanted the creed of the OPPOSITE being true. A judgmental, PATRIARCH (superior to women)and heavenly "father" became our only chance to salvation. While believing God was within you was utterly satanic, and any "abilities" were powers of Satan and trickery from the faith of the Catholic church! This was easy for the Annunaki to implant, because we have a genetic pre-disposition to seeing things backwards/inversely. And we also have a sort of pre-disposition to revere the Male and Solar aspects of the universe (until we evolve, which is now, when we begin to understand the dark, abstract, and feminine energy). Who doesn't want to believe in a "daddy" that looks after us? A woman ruling the universe? Perhaps that Idea didn't seem plausible to older cultures. Why they couldn't understand that the "Creator" was equally both is beyond me.

    Besides that, the current human form (genetically) is not their creation, as even in the HEBREW scriptures, the ELOHIM (annu branch), it says let us make man in our image. In otherwords, "man" already existed! The stories of the Tower of babylon, and other places speak of a near-perfect "human" who was "too powerful" for his own good, and thus, the "gods" destroyed the "tower" and "confused their languages so they cannot understand one another" and also mixed us with some sort of "clay" (I think this is genetic engineering).

    From what I understand this is quite convoluted, but in the end my opinion is the Annunaki created the modern day human being, out of some divine contract to create a karma/learning experience. The "divine spark" or "God" itself became trapped in these physical prisons. And they are multi-dimensional, not simply just three dimensional (which we will evolve into). Their also other motive was, to create a "slave" race to mine gold. The neanderthals were a part of that, and the remaining "people" who survived the Atlantian/Lemurian catastrophes, were taken and intermixed with their own (annunaki) genetics, as well as many others and the neanderthal (IMO) or the "wild men." What is not known to me, is the Neanderthal was an experiment on their part (and the various iterations of the neanderthal and their evolution) on their part, or if they truly did evolve out of apes...and the neanderthal was then spliced with the Atlantean and Annunaki DNA to create what we now call the modern day Cro Magnon human being.

    From what I understand, either way, we DID undergo a stage of neanderthal-like evolution. It's almost as if we started from scratch. But because of our history, our memory, what is contained within the cellular (and genetic) memory..we still have "traces" of this god-like beings we once were. And in some ways, they are beginning to "manifest" again within us.

    So is the "God" aka Elohim (annunaki) truly our creator? Or were they "slavers" and more akin to the devil? or a little bit of both!

    Ah the mysteries of all things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmentiHall View Post
    That's a huge and tricky subject.

    There are many tangents. Usually I write a huge "paper" like post on the whole spiel. But this time I'll try and keep it brief .

    To me, the "devil" is more like the DemiUrgus, and the Archons of the gnostic interpretation. They are collectives of beings (as they appear to us from down here), or a "unified" consciousness of massive proportions who sort of created "encapsulated" realities for their own purposes. Such as the being that believes it is God but it truly is not the "One...."

    For an interesting take on the Annunaki, google: James Wingmakers Project Camelot interview....you will see a fascinating take on the genetic and mental aspect of human consciousness imprisonment, but I disagree with many of his statements. Still good read though.

    The Annunaki, to some within the occult, and others (those who read sitchins book) are not our "creators." Although I guess you could say, they ARE the "creators" of what you would call the current human body. More like, the "splicers" and "molders." In other words, the Annunaki, like the Atlanteans in a similar fashion, were "slavers." All the "holy" and occult teachings we have here on earth (well most of them anyways) are representations of the Annunaki system of enlightenment/creation. This is the 11 sphered path. And there is also the 10 sphered path (which some might say, is a representative of the Drakonian collective).

    The path does not truly matter, but different "templates" were created for different beings, and the DemiUrgus, the Archons, and the beings that represent this "God" or "Creator" created an entire system, genetic and dimensional (through manipulation of the natural mechanics) that is designed to "trap" the pure essences of the Source/One/God within a "dimensionalized" system that is based on creative/destructive processes, recycling, and finite cycles (which veil the infinite). It is a very "strict" path back towards the Creator/God.

    This is why there is a debate between those who believe YH*H is the true ultimate name of the creator, and others who think of him more like the "devil." In my eyes, the true creator has no gender. It is beyond all such limitations and even scalar sequences that make up a name (YH*H). It is both feminine and male, light and dark, tri-polar, omni polar, and no-polar (neutral). This "One/Source" consciousness has many identities which can also be labeled as "creators." They are aspects of the God/Source consciousness that represent different things....

    So there is no true "devil" because any such devil, no matter which way you look at it, is an aspect of "God." There is NOTHING that exists outside the soruce consciousness. If there WAS a "devil" it would be the massive creator-like being who assumes that he (just to put into context) IS "God" and is above all things, and as such sees it his task/goal to manipulate from a higher vantage point.

    Some say, that Anu (the Annu-Elohim, a fallen group of creator beings), the "king" of the annunaki, is also such a force or slaver. Who knows, he might be the same one. It is said that the Annunaki wanted to create a slave race, and thus created human beings. I think this is a CLEVER ploy to make us revere them as our creators. Implanted into our history, after we "fell" and lost all our higher cognitive abiltiies, and had to rely on their "guidance" to move throughout the centuries. There are also many indigos/starseeds/lightworkers who say that either we willingly agreed, or they got the "rights" (like a contract) to become the new owners of "earth" and our genetic/bodily destiny (of evolution).

    For many, what I'm saying is beyond blasphemy. But that is not important to me at this point. The "true" God loves all things as it is all things.

    To me, what is the "anti christ" force is what separates us from unity (christ) consciousness. It's really that simple. But the Romans, the Catholics, and others purposefully implanted the creed of the OPPOSITE being true. A judgmental, PATRIARCH (superior to women)and heavenly "father" became our only chance to salvation. While believing God was within you was utterly satanic, and any "abilities" were powers of Satan and trickery from the faith of the Catholic church! This was easy for the Annunaki to implant, because we have a genetic pre-disposition to seeing things backwards/inversely. And we also have a sort of pre-disposition to revere the Male and Solar aspects of the universe (until we evolve, which is now, when we begin to understand the dark, abstract, and feminine energy). Who doesn't want to believe in a "daddy" that looks after us? A woman ruling the universe? Perhaps that Idea didn't seem plausible to older cultures. Why they couldn't understand that the "Creator" was equally both is beyond me.

    Besides that, the current human form (genetically) is not their creation, as even in the HEBREW scriptures, the ELOHIM (annu branch), it says let us make man in our image. In otherwords, "man" already existed! The stories of the Tower of babylon, and other places speak of a near-perfect "human" who was "too powerful" for his own good, and thus, the "gods" destroyed the "tower" and "confused their languages so they cannot understand one another" and also mixed us with some sort of "clay" (I think this is genetic engineering).

    From what I understand this is quite convoluted, but in the end my opinion is the Annunaki created the modern day human being, out of some divine contract to create a karma/learning experience. The "divine spark" or "God" itself became trapped in these physical prisons. And they are multi-dimensional, not simply just three dimensional (which we will evolve into). Their also other motive was, to create a "slave" race to mine gold. The neanderthals were a part of that, and the remaining "people" who survived the Atlantian/Lemurian catastrophes, were taken and intermixed with their own (annunaki) genetics, as well as many others and the neanderthal (IMO) or the "wild men." What is not known to me, is the Neanderthal was an experiment on their part (and the various iterations of the neanderthal and their evolution) on their part, or if they truly did evolve out of apes...and the neanderthal was then spliced with the Atlantean and Annunaki DNA to create what we now call the modern day Cro Magnon human being.

    From what I understand, either way, we DID undergo a stage of neanderthal-like evolution. It's almost as if we started from scratch. But because of our history, our memory, what is contained within the cellular (and genetic) memory..we still have "traces" of this god-like beings we once were. And in some ways, they are beginning to "manifest" again within us.

    So is the "God" aka Elohim (annunaki) truly our creator? Or were they "slavers" and more akin to the devil? or a little bit of both!

    Ah the mysteries of all things.
    Wow that is a verrry verrry vivid theory, I do agree with you I don't understand why in the older religions it has always been the man that was considered god, and great, etc.. It makes me think about the garden of eden and the whole lilith incident, how she was banned because she wanted to be equal to adam, it seems as if the roman catholic church, and other religions especially islam have depicted females as being inferior to men, I think that it is bullshit, male and female are both equal and I don't understand why this is done. I don't know much about all of this and i'm still learning, I REALLY appreciate everything you said, but i'm going to be honest lol since I don't know much about all of this I wasn't able to understand half of what you said because it is extremely complex in the spiritual region, etc of understanding lol so i'm sorry, I understood some of it, but yeah the other half i'm going to have to look back on once I become more 'enlightened' I guess you could say.

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    I see the 'devil' as Christianity's warped up version of the pagan horned god...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaher View Post
    I see the 'devil' as Christianity's warped up version of the pagan horned god...
    Lol, yea that would make sense probably where the whole horned thing came from.

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    I'm no where near as read up on the Annunaki or Gnosticism as I ought to be, but I'm familiar with the idea of Alien beings posing as God in the past. Recently, while rereading part of the book of Genesis I was mentally translating what was written into more familiar terminology for me. "God" = Alien being/race, seemingly God-like to man, experimenting/engineering mankind. "Sons of God" who descended upon the earth to have children with the women there (who biblical scholars may argue are fallen angels), equals Alien beings/race that were not authorized to tamper with the ongoing genetic project taking place on earth.

    By that line of thought I was also grouping what "God/super powerful alien being" would want us to think of as the "the devil" with the aliens who weren't authorized to tamper with the project. And because the project was contaminated, "God" decided to wipe man out, but with the exception of Noah and the Ark. The reason why Noah was preserved was because his family and he were genetically pure.

    But, that's just an idea of mine I've been kicking around. *shrugs*

    So there is no true "devil" because any such devil, no matter which way you look at it, is an aspect of "God." There is NOTHING that exists outside the soruce consciousness. If there WAS a "devil" it would be the massive creator-like being who assumes that he (just to put into context) IS "God" and is above all things, and as such sees it his task/goal to manipulate from a higher vantage point.
    I agree.

    For many, what I'm saying is beyond blasphemy. But that is not important to me at this point. The "true" God loves all things as it is all things.
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    And AmentiHall, when you say YH*H, are you refering to YHVH? I know I've had nothing but good results when invoking that name. It's odd to think of that name being associate with "the devil."
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    Quote Originally Posted by ocean_soul View Post

    And AmentiHall, when you say YH*H, are you refering to YHVH? I know I've had nothing but good results when invoking that name. It's odd to think of that name being associate with "the devil."
    Nah I don't think it's the name of the devil at all. It is a powerful name, and sequence of letters/frequencies/tones that invokes a sort of Universal Power.

    What I'm saying is that some might view Yod hey vod hey as the "jealous" or "destructive" god because of the Old Testament.

    I personally think, in the end the words are just a powerful scalar combination of frequencies which are present within all things to be able to "invoke" a universal power. Similar to the Words Ra, Ka, Krist, Allah, Om, Um, Aah, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmentiHall View Post
    Nah I don't think it's the name of the devil at all. It is a powerful name, and sequence of letters/frequencies/tones that invokes a sort of Universal Power.

    What I'm saying is that some might view Yod hey vod hey as the "jealous" or "destructive" god because of the Old Testament.

    I personally think, in the end the words are just a powerful scalar combination of frequencies which are present within all things to be able to "invoke" a universal power. Similar to the Words Ra, Ka, Krist, Allah, Om, Um, Aah, etc.
    Yeah, I saw that you were referring to others thinking of YHVH as the god of the Old Testament....I just wanted to make sure your "*" was a "V." Not that I know of any other YH-H words...

    I guess everyone has a word of power that resonates with them.
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    Well I know I'm late, but if we were created as a slave race, would this explain why there are parts of the mind we don't know how to access ourselves?

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    Yes....and why it has been hidden, and a vast program (James randi for example) to discredit them. As well as a vast program to keep us from connecting to the earth, which becomes kind of the "home station" for our ambient energetics as out natural deep brainwave frequencies co-incide with resonant harmonics of earth (ionosphere, Schumann, etc). It's no surprise Alpha is the gateway to psi abilities when it matches the biorhythms of earth.

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    The only problem I have with sitchins work is that he translates the cuniform differently from every other expert that has studied it, he claims nobody else can understand it yet that is not true, it has been decoded and there is online translations available.

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    Sitchin has lots of inaccuracies- but he's got some things right too.

    There is a relatonship between the "devil" and aliens, in regards to a lower, physical being who was outcasted from the "kingdom" and sentenced to be pretty much stuck here. For a carnal sin, which was the physical interbreeding with man.


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