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    The future influences the present

    http://discovermagazine.com/2010/apr...rom-the-future

    Jeff Tollaksen may well believe he was destined to be here at this point in time. We’re on a boat in the Atlantic, and it’s not a pleasant trip. The torrential rain obscures the otherwise majestic backdrop of the volcanic Azorean islands, and the choppy waters are causing the boat to lurch. The rough sea has little effect on Tollaksen, barely bringing color to his Nordic complexion. This is second nature to him; he grew up around boats. Everyone would agree that events in his past have prepared him for today’s excursion. But Tollaksen and his colleagues are investigating a far stranger possibility: It may be not only his past that has led him here today, but his future as well.

    Tollaksen’s group is looking into the notion that time might flow backward, allowing the future to influence the past. By extension, the universe might have a destiny that reaches back and conspires with the past to bring the present into view. On a cosmic scale, this idea could help explain how life arose in the universe against tremendous odds. On a personal scale, it may make us question whether fate is pulling us forward and whether we have free will.


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    The boat trip has been organized as part of a conference sponsored by the Foundational Questions Institute to highlight some of the most controversial areas in physics. Tollaksen’s idea certainly meets that criterion. And yet, as crazy as it sounds, this notion of reverse causality is gaining ground. A succession of quantum experiments confirm its predictions—showing, bafflingly, that measurements performed in the future can influence results that happened before those measurements were ever made.

    As the waves pound, it’s tough to decide what is more unsettling: the boat’s incessant rocking or the mounting evidence that the arrow of time—the flow that defines the essential narrative of our lives—may be not just an illusion but a lie.

    Tollaksen, currently at Chapman University in Orange County, California, developed an early taste for quantum mechanics, the theory that governs the motion of particles in the subatomic world. He skipped his final year of high school, instead attending physics lectures by the charismatic Nobel laureate Richard Feynman at Caltech in Pasadena and learning of the paradoxes that still fascinate and frustrate physicists today.

    Primary among those oddities was the famous uncertainty principle, which states that you can never know all the properties of a particle at the same time. For instance, it is impossible to measure both where the particle is and how fast it is moving; the more accurately you determine one aspect, the less precisely you can measure the other. At the quantum scale, particles also have curiously split personalities that allow them to exist in more than one place at the same time—until you take a look and check up on them. This fragile state, in which the particle can possess multiple contradictory attributes, is called a superposition. According to the standard view of quantum mechanics, measuring a particle’s properties is a violent process that instantly snaps the particle out of superposition and collapses it into a single identity. Why and how this happens is one of the central mysteries of quantum mechanics.

    “The textbook view of measurements in quantum mechanics is inspired by biology,” Tollaksen tells me on the boat. “It’s similar to the idea that you can’t observe a system of animals without affecting them.” The rain is clearing, and the captain receives radio notification that some dolphins have been spotted a few minutes away; soon we’re heading toward them. Our attempts to spy on these animals serve as the zoological equivalent of what Tollaksen terms “strong measurements”—the standard type in quantum mechanics —because they are anything but unobtrusive. The boat is loud; it churns up water as it speeds to the location. When the dolphins finally show themselves, they swim close to the boat, arcing through the air and playing to their audience. According to conventional quantum mechanics, it is similarly impossible to observe a quantum system without interacting with the particles and destroying the fragile quantum behavior that existed before you looked.

    Most physicists accept these peculiar restrictions as part and parcel of the theory. Tollaksen was not so easily appeased. “I was smitten, and I knew there was no chance I was ever going to do anything else with my life,” he recalls. On Feynman’s advice, the teenager moved to Boston to study physics at MIT. But he missed the ocean. “For the first time in my life, I lost the background sound of surf,” he says. “That was actually traumatic.”

    Mindful that a job in esoteric physics might not be the best way to put food on his family’s table, Tollaksen worked on a computing start-up company while pursuing his Ph.D. But if the young man wasn’t sure of his calling, fate quickly gave him a nudge when a physicist named Yakir Aharonov visited the neighboring Boston University. Aharonov, now at Chapman with Tollaksen, was renowned for having codiscovered a bizarre quantum mechanical effect in which particles can be affected by electric and magnetic fields, even in regions where those fields should have no reach. But Tollaksen was most taken by another area of Aharonov’s research: a time-twisting interpretation of quantum mechanics.

    “Aharonov was one of the first to take seriously the idea that if you want to understand what is happening at any point in time, it’s not just the past that is relevant. It’s also the future,” Tollaksen says. In particular, Aharonov reanalyzed the indeterminism that forms the backbone of quantum mechanics. Before quantum mechanics arrived on the scene, physicists believed that the laws of physics could be used to determine the future of the universe and every object within it. By this thinking, if we knew the properties of every particle on the planet we could, in principle, calculate any person’s fate; we could even calculate all the thoughts in his or her head.

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    Wow that is a really intriguing idea. If time does travel both ways then it could mean time travel is possible. More importantly it would explain how people can have visions of the future.
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    Time is interesting; the 4D'ers explain that's it is fluid; meaning, if we ever find the means, we'd be able (in theory) to go both backwards and forwards in time.

    They don't recommend traveling back, because of the risk of paradox.

    Now future, however....that's a different story. They've found evidence of time passing at different rates in outer space...that's it's not a constant medium, but our perception of it is linear.

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    It does.

    How do you think the Present comes into being?

    It is streamed towards us.

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    Makes you wonder where it comes from, since it is a measured entity(time). Is it something that is fashioned with purpose (a type of energy wielding) or if it's a byproduct?

    I'm not sure about the present, I guess it's part observation point, part travel.

    Most people don't think about life being time travel, but in essence I suppose it is.

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    We "pull" the future to us in every moment. This future is being molded in the "now."

    These probable futures also in some sense exist. And it is not only the future, but other dimensions, and even other universes/realities that contribute to our own. Creation is perfect in that way. Systematic. And yet, it is also highly chaotic and subjective. Changing in every moment.

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    In a sense the future is already existing. Yet to us, it is only being created. Time is an ironic thing. It asserts its influence on us, and yet we do not even know what it really is. We just perceive it because of the world around ourselves.

    The most interesting thing I have learned, is that a persons entire life-template exists far beyond...as if in past, present, future etc. And we sort of manifest, and make-do with this template, and employ our free will into our reality.

    When a person pulls something out of thin air, it often comes from "the future." Revolutionary ideas. When some one "discovers" one of these ideas, he/she is in actuality- making a ink with the future. This "pulls" that future towards us, as well as the future "pulls us" toward it.

    In a sense, I see indigo's (or whatever label you wish to call this) as spiritual time travelers. I have learned that essences who are more evolved, exist in places with no time. Yet the essences within earth, and human beings within themselves will some-day also be free of the concept we call "time." So in otherwords, our higher selves exist in the future. When we down into this reality, we also make a direct link with the future...

    This is why some have called these essences perhaps the "next step in evolution." In actuality, it is a representation of the future of all of humanity.

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    One thing I have observed myself....time doesn't pass the same in other dimensions.

    Time in the 4th dimension tends to pass faster than it does here....If I spend 2 hours of my time here, there...there, I am present for 5 or 6 hours of their time. Perhaps that is why they tend to live so long, because the passage of their days are so quick, or....perhaps it is because they live so long, that time is trying to be kind to them, and pass faster, as a means to help lessen the weight of a lifetime that stretches eons.

    I'm a conduit; a seer. I use tarot sometimes to tell me about the future, or seeing stones, or sometimes a pot of rainwater is better....

    So the future and I have a strange relationship with one another. An infinite amount of possibilities exist until they pass to the present moment, and then into the past. Only when it becomes a past event, does it fix itself. It becomes definitive.

    So when I see, I have to remember that I am only seeing one possibility, usually at that present moment, the most likely. If I look the next day towards the same moment, often I see something different, because the path has changed by way of choices made.

    So, when I do a tarot reading for someone, I usually impress upon them that....while I tell you this today, this is only one possibility. Where your path is leading....will change. But there are still very valid messages to walk away from it with, usually warnings that will help you be more aware of what influences are at work around you and within you.

    Time reminds me of water in its fluidity. It can run fast or slow. You can work against it or with it. It can be buoyant, and float you up, or it can be thick, and pull you down (ever have those dreams where you can't.....run.....fast....enough).

    So....the thought of the future influencing the now....is entirely possible. Time is like water.

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    Yes the "higher" you go in dimensions, the less time influences you. An alternate way of viewing it, is the laws of gravity are also different. The relationships between dimensions, time and gravity are very interesting. You could spend what seems like days in a higher plane (using higher incorrectly but these are only 3d/2d words after all) and then only be minutes here. Even the opposite depending on the context.

    The movie inception showed this very clearly through the dream states. The subconscious is directly linked to the other "dimensions." Our subconscious is monstrous. It is essentially the access way into the vacuum/void and the great beyond.

    Indeed time is like water. And potentials and probabilities change as we move through this. One way to understand is that time and reality, is literally a "wave-form" (series of them), or "frequency" which is scalar in nature. As we move through "portions of the wave" we are "synthesizing" reality into our 3d template. This believe it or not, has a great deal to do with our DNA (as well as the body and soul) Like most frequencies, things can change the vibration, speed, among other things and influence our day to day lives. We perceive, essentially "picture to picture" media of a streaming consciousness as we move through portions of the wave. If we are to elevate the wave in general, within our own consciousness, then we can transcend time and even space. This can happen both spiritually (which is a bit easier) and physically (very few have done this, as it has to do with timing as well). This information, comes from none other than our "soul" and our higher spiritual being, existing progressively into higher harmonics, octaves, eventually into a place where no time or anything truly exists (except for that which is infinite).

    It's a crazy subject, but infinitely fascinating

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    Maybe the same way we perceive the world reversed ( ie, our vision flips what we see ) the same happens to our perception of time. Much like looking into a mirror, you perceive your right as left and vice versa. Maybe time is an illusory reflection of our own minds ability to grasp its direction.

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    This is a very wierd and interesting idea about the future influencing the present lol, normal logic tells you the future hasn't happened yet, duh, but another logic of mine tells me that it could already happened in a sense, why- because it's inevitable, tomorrow must exist or nothing at all, one or the other and if something must happen then is it too much of a leap to say it has already happened?

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    Well, the potentials for the future must exist somewhere because they don't just pop into existence from nothing. It should be true unless we live in a deterministic world where our free will is an illusion though i wouldn't doubt it. Quantum physics says that the parallel universes must exist given that atomic particles are constantly somewhere else that is unobservable until they are observed. They very well could be in other planes of existence.

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    Here is an interesting doc on the subject of time travel. Enjoy.


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    Parallel universes are interesting to me;

    the 4D'ers describe the other 'frames' or dimensions like this place, but different;

    there is one of the theories; applicable to their description;

    They tell me that existence is one of juxtaposition; meaning, all the other frames that they are aware of exist like the layers of an onion, one slightly off-set from the other, but all basically in the same space.

    Think of the overhead projectors at school, where the teachers used to write on the clear plastic sheets....if you were to stack several of those and look at the picture they projected...you see all of them, but they'd still be able to be separated into their individual pictures.

    The other dimesions exist all around us, it's just that the majority of us do not see them, or aren't aware of them. A lot of paranormal phenom can be attributed to bleed-through from one dimension to our own.

    One of them has told me he's observed 9 other dimensions here, but he says there are probably more.

    (they don't like to comment on things they don't see directly...keeps them from making mistakes in sharing info)

    The wave/particle theory does support that; Miami said;
    Quantum physics says that the parallel universes must exist given that atomic particles are constantly somewhere else that is unobservable until they are observed.

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    Finally the mainstream is beginning to see some of the bigger picture!

    I agree 1month

    It was also described to me in this way: For example in science we DO NOT know why particles spin in certain ways or directions. We don't know the origin of the spin nor why. They tell you particles spin like that because of a macro, but then what gives the macro that property?

    As I understand, all realities are pretty much, existent on top of one another. In otherwords, they are happening all in the same "place." One of the things that gives us an illusion of separation and different realities, is actually the rotation and direction in which it spins. Essentially different universes, "spin" in a different angular rotation yet are over one another.

    Everyonce in a while the "spin" of one will meet up with the "spin" of another, and here we have interdimensional exchange. Part of the same dynamic system. As is future, past, present etc.

    It's funny you used the example of the different sheets and projector. I used the exact same example in one of my blogs synchronicity!
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    The one thing that has become more profound for me the more I have grown since waking to my purpose...is the bleed through.

    Affirmation, if you will. It has a strange way of showing you things when you least expect it.

    I was driving in Liverpool the otherday (Ny, not England) and saw a gentleman walking down the sidewalk. His aura shot out of his back, almost reminded me of a solar flare.

    The 4D'ers say that they can see our auras as normal as we look at each other, I guess most humans are limited by their own minds or our dimension, or a combination of both.

    It really took me aback. But the affirmation was apparent; there's way more to this fishbowl than meets the eye.

    The same can be said of alien life; the Greys are both interdimensional and extra-terrestrial; they can exist in more than one place. I have had contact with them in the 4th dimension....but I've only seen their craft here.

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