solution for economic stability maybe?

[basireid]

this may be an older idea from someone else
or something brand new i thought and had sessions over

excessive profit making is a huge reason why there are
haves and have-nots, in countries and between countries

it would be a one world governing system

limits to personal income, irregardless of people's 'stature',
or the family they were born in, or the country they were born in,
the term country would only apply to regional areas, and more
for the nostalgia/cultural reasons

after a limit has been reached, all the rest of this 'income' would go
to the greater good, - providing the essential infrastructure needed
for the amounts of people living now (7 billion to be reached by this
years end, already at 6.85 billion plus as of now)
http://www.poodwaddle.com/clocks/worldclock/

also, economy, or everything we do, working, banking, etc etc, is 24/7/365
no weekends like now, no 9-5 like now, no special holidays where people
cannot shop, and get government services done, and this means unions
would cease to be useful and nothing like double or triple time due to
seniority or working on holidays like now

some may say this seems like communism, i say no, it is more like
communalism where there is community first and equality for Everyone, Period
besides communism has yet to be seen and same for democracy
two party political systems is not democracy according to this person writing now

when all is said and done, housing and access to clean drinking water along
with proper food supply for Everyone, Period
the way it is now, if you are born in the right location, you get access
to a wide variety of all things edible, from dozens of fruits and vegetables
to too many kinds of processed matter in boxes and cans

think about this when feeling a bit hungry, and only three or four hours
since the last intake of food, there are people who go days without any
proper amount of food nor water, only because the freer sides of the
planets exploit the rest, for excessive profits so the few can buy
multi-million dollar houses and boats, paid for by the many and
exploiting even more people - this stinks, imo, and yet i one
person can do nothing about this... only think of a possible solution

regarding essential services and what could be called governments

seriously, do the people need governing? wtf is a governor anyway?
on an engine, a governor slows the speed of output of the engine
do we need to slow down? we are referred to as a human race
who are we racing against?

regional directors, chosen from elected lists of qualified people
qualification does not mean a certain age, or a certain level of
education, *fake education, some people with PHD's and MBA's etc
can barely cook a meal or change a tire and yet are in 'charge'
of millions of people or dollars or both... really eh!

the directors would work cooperatively in committees and the
like, there would be no need of central governing buildings and
the like, internet and current technology, video cameras etc
allow for conferencing and distant instant communications

current military equipment,
useful for cleaning up the damn mess we have going,
environmentally speaking

bomb the planet with hemp seeds and absorb all that useless
chemical crap we have
harvest this hemp, dump it on the rounded up ocean garbage patches

stuff like all of this could work

if we can ever manage to con those few into reality

reality the way i see at the present moment blows

and to think, the current new generation is going to be
older in 50 years, what about their grandchildren?
and the grand children of that generation?

i better stop now, the heat and frustrating sweat
might be turning my mood too delusional

feel free to comment, critically or otherwise
cheers and enjoy this mess while you desire to
i sure do like my small existence and cry when i
wonder if in a 100 years from now what horrid mess
there will be.,...

[h0bby1]

http://indigosociety.com/showthread....ed-Leo-Tolstoy =)

[h0bby1]

the more important is to always favorise human creativity, and governement are not always having this role, with militaries police and the like ! religion or governement in occidental world never promoted unity, but more belonging to a nation, a religion, or secret organisations and dividing ppl into clans, it is mostly what democracy is about along with the media

[h0bby1]

http://indigosociety.com/showthread....l=1#post728944 i posted a few stuff in that thread

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectacle_(Situationism)

Different forms

Debord later modified his argument, and claimed that the spectacle manifests itself in three different forms:

The concentrated spectacle

The spectacle associated with concentrated bureaucracy. Debord associated this spectacular form mostly with the Eastern Bloc and Fascism, although today mixed backward economies import it, and even advanced capitalist countries in times of crisis. Every aspect of life, like property, music, and communication is concentrated and is identified with the bureaucratic class. The concentrated spectacle generally identifies itself with a powerful political leader. The concentrated spectacle is made effective through a state of permanent violence and police terror.

The diffuse spectacle

The spectacle associated with advanced capitalism and commodity abundance. In the diffuse spectacle, different commodities conflict with each other, preventing the consumer from consuming the whole. Each commodity claims itself as the only existent one, and tries to impose itself over the other commodities:

Irreconcilable claims jockey for position on the stage of the affluent economy's unified spectacle, and different star commodities simultaneously promote conflicting social policies. The automobile spectacle, for example, strives for a perfect traffic flow entailing the destruction of old urban districts, while the city spectacle needs to preserve those districts as tourist attractions.

— Guy Debord, The Society of the Spectacle

The diffuse spectacle is more effective than the concentrated spectacle. The diffuse spectacle operates mostly through seduction, while the concentrated spectacle operates mostly through violence. Because of this, Debord argues that the diffuse spectacle is more effective at suppressing non-spectacular opinions than the concentrated spectacle.

The integrated spectacle

The spectacle associated with modern capitalist countries. The integrated spectacle borrows traits from the diffuse and concentrated spectacle to form a new synthesis. Debord argues that this is a very recent form of spectacular manifestation, and that it was pioneered in France and Italy. According to Debord, the integrated spectacle goes by the label of liberal democracy. This spectacle introduces a state of permanent general secrecy, where experts and specialists dictate the morality, statistics, and opinions of the spectacle. Terrorism is the invented enemy of the spectacle, which specialists compare with their "liberal democracy", pointing out the superiority of the latter one. Debord argues that without terrorism, the integrated spectacle wouldn't survive, for it needs to be compared to something in order to show its "obvious" perfection and superiority.

We live in a spectacular society, that is, our whole life is surrounded by an immense accumulation of spectacles. Things that were once directly lived are now lived by proxy. Once an experience is taken out of the real world it becomes a commodity. As a commodity the spectacular is developed to the detriment of the real. It becomes a substitute for experience. (Larry Law, Images And Everyday Life)

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about the bi polar democracy, and how media do their work of controlling ppl on fake political objective, through fake opposition etc



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudrillard this guy is also interesting on the topic =)

[basireid]

more please, lol

more proof of this collective conscious ideal,
as i am actually glad i am not the only one
to think of this kind of change

several replies would be needed, if time allowed
however, with religion and the influence it has
on society, government etc, they have too much control
should be non-existent

without countries the way it is now
and more focus on the emotional aspect
explained as, why the need for dozens of
varieties of toasters and coffee machines
(profiting economically is one reason)
and yet, they just make toast or coffee
and the way it is now, are designed to break down
wherein they are cheaper to replace then repair
(their words would state, best usage of the least amount
of materials, mean while, toasters made in the 40's and 50's
are still in use... toaster bought recently, either in landfill, or
melted down (recycled)

the emotional balance of the design process could use same internal
parts that will last for years and years, yet, look unique on the outside
for those who need colors and fancy looking,

again though, this excessive profiting from stuff we really do not need
does make for some people to work at jobs they do not like
(yes, tyler d, is an influence and his messages were received)

gotta go again, and thanks for the extra input and links

[h0bby1]

did you see the movie inside job ?

[Alludor]

I only watched its trailer, but it looked smashing! And obviously, if people cannot even start thinking to do without everyday's comodeties in simple terms, such as giving a guy on the streets some change or donating food for charity and such, then it will be impossible to ever get that kind of altruitous and fair economy. "Be the change that you want to be in the world".

[fred aus indo]

are we talking about Europe or the world??

[Alludor]

I believe it was about the whole world, in general.

[ever elusive]

Turning off the damn T.V. is the solution to economic instability! At least in my country, most of the "economic problems" are caused by fear spread by the mind control box in the living room that virtually everyone is addicted to and relies on to define their reality.


Also, of course, you have central banks printing currency out of thin air that is based on nothing other than the fact that they own all the money and therefore own everyone who uses it. This seems like an obvious problem that noone wants to touch because they don't want to be assasinated.

The only way I see things really changing is if people stopped using centrally produced currency by forming self sufficient communties that don't rely on the existing structures for power, food, water, shelter, ect. Then the controllers would lose their source of energy (us), and their power over us. I don't see this happening because the masses are hooked into the matrix and are more interested in the modern comforts that will eventually cost us the rest of the freedoms that we still enjoy. Plus any attemps that became too popular would be raided and stamped out of existence by the psychopaths that are obsessed with being able to tax (leech energy) from every last human being.

I have had visions since I was in elementary school that certain enlightened people who gravitate to the negative polarity have been engaged in farming humanity for our energy which is extracted via taxation and the monetary system. Managing the herd and keeping us dumbed down with chemicals, media, and religion is a secret art. This has been going on for a very long time.

[Know the Truth]

Interesting thread. I think that solution lies not in more government oversight, but less. Democracy is a broken system, it's true, but so are communism and socialism. So is pure capitalism. A blend of these may be a solution, but I'm more inclined to think "the powers that be" worldwide have mangled things so badly at this point, we may have no choice but to scrap ALL of these and start from scratch.

If we do, it will be a major culture shock for so many, but guess what, that realization will come one way or another very soon. We see it happening now - - and yes, the majority of it is paranoia fueld by the latest news of "economic instability" broadcast on TV and other forms of media. Seriously, watching the news has become like watching a social experiment in progress. It's all about pushing people's buttons. Take it with a grain of salt. The worldwide economy has been collapsing since at least the 1930s. Look at the U.S. national debt. Inch that ceiling up a little more. It's foolish.

Countries worldwide will never pay off debt. Scrap it. The monetary system is defunct. Paper money is mostly just printed paper at this point. Nations need to get bills passed cancelling all debt and doing away with the paper-and-coin monetary systems. Start from the ground up now. Get each nation under a barter-and-trade only economic system and pretend this crap didn't happen. Move on. The economic system in place now is an illusion - - a mistake and a fallacy. Nothing is backing it and nothing will remedy it.

Become a one-nation world under VERY basic government oversight and let each "nation" rule itself otherwise. No "New World Order" like what is being discussed. That's also a fallacy, and will eventually be a dangerous one. An NWO is needed, but not the one "the power's that be" dream up, that's for sure.

It might sound extreme, but IMO, it's the only way to get out of the quicksand. *takes deep breath* Lol, it's frustrating.

[TStorme]

I appreciate some of the points u brought up ...

I am also inclined toward a VERY basic world "govt" ... stick 2 protecting basic human rights ... coordinating & mobilizing resources as needed in emergencies and natural disaster ... and squelching upstart power-mongers when necessary

I believe that cleaning up and ceasing 2 contribute 2 our environmental messes should be a MUCH higher priority 2 everyone on this overpopulated trash heap we call Earth ...

24/7/365 could better accommodate on some levels (& open up more flexibility 2 the nocturnals), but risks tyranny & unfair practices like everything else ...

I can also appreciate a cap of sorts being put on not just wealth but the overall resources which r held/consumed individually & any overage being reinvested in the whole ...

I must say that having lived communally a little while, though, that the selfishness, laziness, & general contrariness of some individuals could test the patience, humanitarianism, & resolve of even the most committed members of any community ... It is quite challenging 4 those doing their part & bustin' their a$$ 4 everyone's benefit 2 tolerate or continually support those who will not even help themselves ... I believe that is where the whole capitalist / communist argument comes back around 2 a head ... both have dangers & benefits ...

[Falcon4]

some interesting thoughts.

[AlphaLeonis]

The way fiat currencies are set up is not the problem, it is the way we are using the system. The switch to fiat currency, during the great depression, literally flipped things - it reversed things and made them backwards. But we carried on using money the same way. That created the problem.

I lay it our here: http://masteringsovereignty.blogspot...1_archive.html

[TemplarAsyrum]

Basireid: "bomb the planet with hemp seeds and absorb all that useless chemical crap we have harvest this hemp, dump it on the rounded up ocean garbage patches"

An interesting idea here. lol. I mean the hemp seed part is a bit much but it sounds like the underlying principle might be sound if a naturally occuring plant could do something like this.

Any technical data on something like this? just asking.

[manuel]

hi there. the only way out of the sistem is eliminating the system. the system is the problem, not the people. the only way to exist is the way it allways was.. small communities living in balance with nature. you have got the spiritual world to live forever. your body is jus a vehicle to be able to live this experience, just for the time needed to acomplish it .tecnology is a the way to try get the power you already have inside. the door is opening now for us.

[IndigoLife]

Hm... Interesting topic...
Here's a thought, what if we changed the way that we earned money? That is geared it towards a more humanitarian philosophy. So dig this: you go to university. By doing so you are stating and planing on developing yourself so that you may influence a community in a beneficial way afterwards. So to rephrase, your going to school is helping the world. What better a thing to reward with money?

So the World currency, which is brought into light as a purly conceptual credit, is handed out to the deserving student by the unified global council. Now students have incentives to go to school, as well as good deeds being rewarded. *This concept applies to all communally benificial acts.*

[IndigoLife]

I think that in the coming months and years discussion like this one will become ever more important as the failures and flaws of our current system begin to make them selves more and more apparent to the general masses.