Resilient Drugs

[Cebren Girinis]

Hello again. I have a help request... I believe it's my first one.

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This summer I met a girl at school and we hit it off right away. (Not romantically) She was definitely one of the more enlightened beings I have come across, and we even shared some of the exact same ideas. (Now these were completely preposterous ideas for teenagers to come up with: ie breaking apart matter with sound and resonating frequencies.)

I convinced her to join a special program at school which lets you live in a dorm for that group. (I live here and I wanted her near me so we could continue to bounce ideas back and forth.) However, she has become someone who smokes marijuana all the time. She has changed a lot, doesn't care, and has become sucked into this life. I miss her. I tried to talk to her about it once, but she became VERY offended, even though I barely mentioned the subject.

Do any of you have any suggestions for me? I don't know if I can get her back, or if I just have to wait for her to find herself again.

Thanks,
~Cebren

[ExpandedSoul]

Hmm... Well, I can tell you, being a habitual marijuana user myself, that it may take time to get her to come out of her shell again, but you'll do it eventually. Marijuana makes people lazy and makes them not want to do anything. That may not be the case with her, but it sure is with me. There have been many times over the years where I would need to do something, and not do it because I was stoned. I don't have any answers for you, but I hope this helped in some way to maybe understand marijuana and its effects better. You'll get her back, if you believe it enough.

[adrianna11]

My question is- why do a lot of Indigos use drugs anyways?
A few friends and I were discussing this. I am a habitual mj user because I've got ADHD, insomnia, and like most Indigos- can never stop the endless train of thought. That's why I smoke.
Drugs dont' seem like a big deal anymore because we all do them in one way or another. And if you don't mind I include Alcohol as a drug(The biggest killer of them all, btw.) Our generation seems to be "recreationally inclined" we've got to have our poison to enjoy our time here.
Does anyone else agree? Or have any inclination as to why we love hurting ourselves so much?
There is also a HUGE straight edge movement in this age range. I wonder why it is so paradoxical?

[Cebren Girinis]

Well, I wasn't necessarily arguing against the use of it. (Really not trying to start that kind of debate here. ) I just find that there are more effective and controllable ways to obtain the same effects. Ever had an energy rush from your stomach to your head? If you can prolong it, it produces the same effect... more like 10 drugs at once... you see, hear, touch, etc about 3 dimensions at once... the difference is that it takes time to learn and control. (I think that the current situation where we want instant gratification is a cultural thing more than an Indigo thing...)

The main thing I just want is the actual person back... the true her has been forced to the recesses of her person in order for the physical to take precedent. (Not the personality, but the truth of her being.)

[littlepolarbear]

Hello again. I have a help request... I believe it's my first one.

The Story

This summer I met a girl at school and we hit it off right away. (Not romantically) She was definitely one of the more enlightened beings I have come across, and we even shared some of the exact same ideas. (Now these were completely preposterous ideas for teenagers to come up with: ie breaking apart matter with sound and resonating frequencies.)

I convinced her to join a special program at school which lets you live in a dorm for that group. (I live here and I wanted her near me so we could continue to bounce ideas back and forth.) However, she has become someone who smokes marijuana all the time. She has changed a lot, doesn't care, and has become sucked into this life. I miss her. I tried to talk to her about it once, but she became VERY offended, even though I barely mentioned the subject.

Do any of you have any suggestions for me? I don't know if I can get her back, or if I just have to wait for her to find herself again.

Thanks,
~Cebren

I believe your everlasting support is very important here. I'd been suicidal before and my mother spent time, effort and patience to care for me. Somehow I came to realise that I've got to help myself. No one else can help me unless I wanted to help myself. Perhaps your support can help your friend realise that and perhaps the use of prayers/Reiki (reiki goals) can help. I really hope your friend can recover soon.

[Electra]

My question is- why do a lot of Indigos use drugs anyways?
A few friends and I were discussing this. I am a habitual mj user because I've got ADHD, insomnia, and like most Indigos- can never stop the endless train of thought. That's why I smoke.
Drugs dont' seem like a big deal anymore because we all do them in one way or another. And if you don't mind I include Alcohol as a drug(The biggest killer of them all, btw.) Our generation seems to be "recreationally inclined" we've got to have our poison to enjoy our time here.
Does anyone else agree? Or have any inclination as to why we love hurting ourselves so much?
There is also a HUGE straight edge movement in this age range. I wonder why it is so paradoxical?

It does seem to be associated with attempting to touch lost or dormant abilities. Tim Leary has a lot to say about this:

http://deoxy.org/8circuit.htm

Many people believe "the war on drugs is a war on consciousness". A lot of Indians I know use peyote and marijuana and other things for ceremony and contact in other realms. Other Indians of course will tell you this absolutely forbidden. I think the whole point might be to look at what one is trying to achieve, rather than the use of drugs itself. Escapism, the need to sleep, control thoughts, stop restlessness, are desires I think that we are searching to reconnect with lost abilities that actually allow us completely control of our mind, body and allow and listen to spirit. We forget often in 3-D that we are fully capable and incharge of our lives (but NOT in the way most people try to execute "in charge"). We become in charge by illumination, energetic and DNA activation, a return to wholeness from mind fragmentation, emotional body healing, etc ---------

That is my experience anyway.

[Cebren Girinis]

It does seem to be associated with attempting to touch lost or dormant abilities. Tim Leary has a lot to say about this:

http://deoxy.org/8circuit.htm

Many people believe "the war on drugs is a war on consciousness". A lot of Indians I know use peyote and marijuana and other things for ceremony and contact in other realms. Other Indians of course will tell you this absolutely forbidden. I think the whole point might be to look at what one is trying to achieve, rather than the use of drugs itself. Escapism, the need to sleep, control thoughts, stop restlessness, are desires I think that we are searching to reconnect with lost abilities that actually allow us completely control of our mind, body and allow and listen to spirit. We forget often in 3-D that we are fully capable and incharge of our lives (but NOT in the way most people try to execute "in charge"). We become in charge by illumination, energetic and DNA activation, a return to wholeness from mind fragmentation, emotional body healing, etc ---------

That is my experience anyway.

Thank you very much. The site is very enlightening!

To be perfectly honest, over the summer I got completely sucked into this 3-D world... and did much of the stuff she did, but not to the same extent. In fact, it was the effect of mj that made me stop using it. The second time I did it I had such an experience that I wanted to learn how to do it on my own; after all our bodies and minds are able to create any experience we want... it just takes effort.

~Cebren

EDIT: Just adding something else... after I "reconnected" many of my abilities from when I was younger began to come back. Just to clarify, "abilities" to me mean things we are all capable of that we forget because we try so hard to sync with the way the world works.

[Verumi]

My question is- why do a lot of Indigos use drugs anyways?
A few friends and I were discussing this. I am a habitual mj user because I've got ADHD, insomnia, and like most Indigos- can never stop the endless train of thought. That's why I smoke.
Drugs dont' seem like a big deal anymore because we all do them in one way or another. And if you don't mind I include Alcohol as a drug(The biggest killer of them all, btw.) Our generation seems to be "recreationally inclined" we've got to have our poison to enjoy our time here.
Does anyone else agree? Or have any inclination as to why we love hurting ourselves so much?
There is also a HUGE straight edge movement in this age range. I wonder why it is so paradoxical?

One theory is that a lot of drugs help us cut through the pollution...radiowaves, microwaves, light waves, sounds, junking up our atmosphere, and cut straight to the turning inward, and feeling vibrations, etc. That can go either way though, depending on the drug and the person using the drug--ie a person can become addicted and their life spirals out of control, etc. or a person can incorporate it into their daily life in such a way that helps them grow spiritually and think outside the norm, while still being able to function in society...or somewhere in between. Straight-edge people, might be afraid to think outside the norm and equate all drugs as being harmful and don't want anything to do with them. However, there are a few types of straight edge people that I have come across. The first type is only against illicit drugs. These are the ones doped up on vicodin or ritalin, usually (how about that? :P) etc. The second type is against all types of drugs, illicit and prescription. Not surprisingly, they often eat very healthy diets and get the recommended amount of daily exercise, often meditate, and tend to find a lot of the same things that we do, only without the drugs. I give kudos to this second type of straight edge. Then there's a break-off of this second type, I'll call them second sub-type...they are against all drugs, but they lack insight and don't even know why they are against drugs.

My opinion on drugs: if you can use responsibly and there is some kind of benefit (insight, relaxation, or just some fun occasionally) go for it! To each their own, within reason, right?

[Paragoddess2u]

I fully agree with you adrianna. I also used to use drugs heavily, and honestly if I could smoke weed now I would. It helps slow down the racing thoughts and helped me to sleep. I am also a sufferer of insomnia, very bad since I was 14. This may help you guys. I had some extensive medical studies done on me for this. They did sleep studies etc. And what they found, which stumped them lol, was that even when I was asleep my brain waves did not change from what the would be when I was awake. Most people's change when sleeping, or at least during REM. Mine do not. I have often wondered if this is true of all indigo's and crystalline people. I think it is this constant "spinning" that makes us so tired and inclined to use drugs as a "relief" or break from this hectic busy life our minds and souls push on our fragile bodies. I think we love hurting ourselves because we feel the bodies we have in this world are not adequate. But that is just an idea.

[StillSane]

Don't do anything, unless you want to smoke with her. Might sound crazy, but see if it will work.

[oreides]

MJ does not add more problems
it brings them to the surface.
some people smoke and are productive, adjusted members of "society".
some people smoke and depend on it.

in any case...

[Ragnarok]

MJ does not add more problems
it brings them to the surface.
some people smoke and are productive, adjusted members of "society".
some people smoke and depend on it.

I'd say that dependence could be classified as a problem. It is certainly possible to use MJ therapeutically, though there is a fine line between daily therapy and psychological dependence. Speaking from experience, that line is seldom seen until it has been long since crossed. Dependence issues could be deeper than referring only to MJ use, so I can respect that perhaps they are only "brought to the surface" using MJ as a vehicle of transport. (I hope that makes sense)

As far as calming down; regular exercise and meditation go a long way. They aren't psychedelic and they do require some practice, so they might not seem like as much fun as a quick fix. In the long run, MJ doesn't stay fun forever anyway. Exercise on the other hand, I'm okay with being defendant on!

Also from personal experience: People don't successfully stop doing habitual things unless they find out why such things are personally useful, and then find a new habit with a similar effect.

I can't help the original poster bring her friend back to her prior mindset. I hope that something I said here makes sense though, and that in the long run, everything turns out alright!

Blessed be.

[oreides]

I'd say that dependence could be classified as a problem. It is certainly possible to use MJ therapeutically, though there is a fine line between daily therapy and psychological dependence. Speaking from experience, that line is seldom seen until it has been long since crossed. Dependence issues could be deeper than referring only to MJ use, so I can respect that perhaps they are only "brought to the surface" using MJ as a vehicle of transport. (I hope that makes sense)

As far as calming down; regular exercise and meditation go a long way. They aren't psychedelic and they do require some practice, so they might not seem like as much fun as a quick fix. In the long run, MJ doesn't stay fun forever anyway. Exercise on the other hand, I'm okay with being defendant on!

Also from personal experience: People don't successfully stop doing habitual things unless they find out why such things are personally useful, and then find a new habit with a similar effect.

I can't help the original poster bring her friend back to her prior mindset. I hope that something I said here makes sense though, and that in the long run, everything turns out alright!

Blessed be.

just meant that MJ is only as addictive as you allow it to be
from personal experience, i know when i want to smoke and don't want to smoke. i'll have a sack and keep it for a month or so until i feel like a smoke. i think my mindset is different than, say, my friend and neighbor in the apt next to me. she smokes daily and NEEDS it to keep her "in balance", or so she thinks. when she gets stressed and overwhelmed, she smokes to release all that stress.

whether this is destructive or constructive completely depends on the person. i find it to be a bit annoying when anything gets pigeon holed into a single, general understanding. everything's different for everyone.

to me, MJ is just a plant that relaxes and stimulates my thinking. but when that happens, my motivation goes down the hole! but my creative side and intellect skyrocket. but the more i overuse it, the less effective it gets for me. so this causes me to pick and choose my time of smokage more carefully.

MJ doesn't CHANGE people. that's a bit laughable. it can only effect you in whatever ways you let it effect you. if you let it completely effect you, of course you'll change. for better or for worse? that's entirely relative.

[Ragnarok]

to me, MJ is just a plant that relaxes and stimulates my thinking. but when that happens, my motivation goes down the hole! but my creative side and intellect skyrocket. but the more i overuse it, the less effective it gets for me. so this causes me to pick and choose my time of smokage more carefully.

The first time I smoke in a while, I will get super productive and end up reorganizing the entire house. Creativity and artistic talent go way up. If I do it again the next day, the experience is generally slow and boring, still relaxing, but completely unproductive. I spent a couple years in that "stoned" state of mind, and am glad to have some restraint these days. So I see how it brings out that addictive part of my personality.

I'm not knocking it when used within moderation, though I'm sure we can all agree that there are better habits to get into for that sense of relaxation.

Was I pigeon-holing? Didn't mean to do that... just putting up my perspective, which is no more or less valid than anyone else's.

[FlamingArrow]

My question is- why do a lot of Indigos use drugs anyways?
A few friends and I were discussing this. I am a habitual mj user because I've got ADHD, insomnia, and like most Indigos- can never stop the endless train of thought. That's why I smoke.
Drugs dont' seem like a big deal anymore because we all do them in one way or another. And if you don't mind I include Alcohol as a drug(The biggest killer of them all, btw.) Our generation seems to be "recreationally inclined" we've got to have our poison to enjoy our time here.
Does anyone else agree? Or have any inclination as to why we love hurting ourselves so much?
There is also a HUGE straight edge movement in this age range. I wonder why it is so paradoxical?

If adhd is what you tell yourself to help you sleep at night, that's fine. I just don't understand why people can't just say "i do it cause I feel like it", cause in the end you know damn well it's cause of that. Yet everyone always has to have an 'excuse' because they inherently feel guilty about it.

[FlamingArrow]

Hello again. I have a help request... I believe it's my first one.

The Story

This summer I met a girl at school and we hit it off right away. (Not romantically) She was definitely one of the more enlightened beings I have come across, and we even shared some of the exact same ideas. (Now these were completely preposterous ideas for teenagers to come up with: ie breaking apart matter with sound and resonating frequencies.)

I convinced her to join a special program at school which lets you live in a dorm for that group. (I live here and I wanted her near me so we could continue to bounce ideas back and forth.) However, she has become someone who smokes marijuana all the time. She has changed a lot, doesn't care, and has become sucked into this life. I miss her. I tried to talk to her about it once, but she became VERY offended, even though I barely mentioned the subject.

Do any of you have any suggestions for me? I don't know if I can get her back, or if I just have to wait for her to find herself again.

Thanks,
~Cebren

I know exactly what you mean. Look, you can't go after her telling her it's bad, or it's wrong, cause she is just going to look at your like a preachy annoying guy and the friendship will end there. If you can stand to hang around with her while she's high, then just do it. Stay sober and stay her friend, but don't judge her. She will make the decision to stop when she feels it right to. She is just going through what I like to call the "beginners" phase. Let her go through the motions and just don't stop being her friend, so she can have someone who isn't IN the world to be able to hold onto when she's ready. Good luck

[h0bby1]

well i think what you describe is not totally linked to marijuana use, but i see this also with my cousine atm, well it is sometime, some ppl just make a 'fuck off' to their normal life and get into the vortex , using drugs , partying, you can tell they are changing to some point as they discover new ppl , new places , new feeling, the sensation of being a bit more free and seeing the life in his whole instead of living in the usual soso life trap, and i guess i've been told by several ppl he changed blah well i don't care a lot i know i always change lol and i'm bit a solitary mind and it does not disturb me to change from time to time but well i don't think that considering that MJ or drugs are the main factor in her change is an error it is just a part in the change but well i saw that happening to several ppl that in some point they just switch something in their mind and get in the otherside of life more directly but i think with time you hopefully find a balance between 'normal' life and the 'other life' like doing drugs partying and doing illegal crazy things that ruin your health but i guess some ppl need both side to feel balanced, by period generally =)

[h0bby1]

ppl who had a 'normal' life for long time, like several year and suddently switch are scaring me often, because they don't realise what they are doing and just want to rebalance their 5 boring year by fun in short time, they always scare me on wanting to push dose and doing things to intensivly i guess i can be dangerous, until it keep up to mj you have long time before to see some really bad effects on her , but when it come to cocaine or heroine or harder drug, then you have to be carefull specially with ppl who get into it all of sudden and doing it too often or too much without really caring because they are in a 'fuck off' state of mind but well i guess let her make her life for some time, a month 2 month maybe, contact her from time to time to keep in contact and don't formalize on MJ use or any other drug use, even if you really feel it can be a bad way for her, try not to speak of this openly and too directly as it will only annoy her =)

[h0bby1]

well i can understand this because at some point, i did this switch, but well i was always with conscious ppl and i managed to avoid most of the trap of drugs because i was well directed on the use from the begining and really told not to 'fall in it' and keep distance with product between each taking etc etc and i always followed a set of rules with drug usage and if there is something that always bothered me and still bother me is ppl who formalise on drug usage for justifying you strange act or behavior changing, and it is generally ppl who don't use drugs and do not want to use drug , with lots of clichee and prejugee on drugs that say this, and rarely drug user, and maybe it is founded in some case, but most of the time they are really off , and just focusing on the drug for explaining a change in your behavior is really scorning and insulting for me , as if i was too dumb to let drug fully impact my life without thinking about it and as if i don't choose my way of living consciously , including drug usage etc

[h0bby1]

i think it is why she reacted badly when you told her about MJ use, well i know intensive and daily use of MJ do impact your behavior, but well considering it is not a conscious choice and that drug lead you and not the opposite is really bothering, well i know if i take MJ it is exactly like adriana111 said, because otherwise i feel still more disconected and too much active and with MJ at least my brain can keep more or less quiet and it does not impact my productivity and motivation so much, and now i really care about doing full break of 3 week from time to time just to feel in a 'natural' state and i know the two state, and i'm not addicted at all, i can stop MJ and get back to it, i'm used to this i do this regulary it is not a problem for me, and i know i get back on it because otherwise i'm too active, and i'm like a lion in cage, and i make strange dreams, and i feel almost more weird when i'm not stone then when i am lol maybe because being stone with other stone ppl make feel closer to them than usual but even when i'm in sober period, i don't feel more in touch with non drugged ppl and as most of my friend don't do this breaks i can't tell if i would be more in touch with them if we where all sober but i guess it wouldn't change so much our relation with or without the MJ =) but well for me it really became fully part of my life, with work collegue , with friend with familly, all ppl around me are drug user, and rarely occasional users so it is really like drugs are part of my life for years now but just considering that drug is the only factor in my change of past years is still a bit annoying to hear for me