Rosicrucians

[tmt]

The Rosicrucians began, with Christian Rosenkruetz, a german mystic. He was alleged to be the only surviving son of a King. Supposedly, he was spirited away to a monastery and the rest of the royal family was slaughtered in an uprising. He was a devout student of spiritual studies and when he came of age, he spent years traveling to different parts of the middle east, including Eygpt and the Holy Lands. He acquired a huge knowledge of the mystery schools which were dying out.
When he returned to his home, he gathered eight others to learn from him and instructed them as brothers to the Rose Cross.

The rose is a strong symbol of inner knowledge, as its petals open from the inside out. There are other attributes but that one is my favorite. The cross being symbol of The Christ, of course.

The brothers were taught and instructed to find an apprentice to teach in preparation of their eventual departure. Their doctrine included medicinal knowledge, Alchemy, and spiritual knowledge. They refused to accept payment for their services; that is one of the fundamental items, to give their knowledge and relief to those suffering freely. They lived and worked like this for years and eventually went back out into the world to reach more of those that needed their help or wanted to learn from their teaching.
Christian Rosenkruetz eventually passed at a very old age, anticipating his departure and preparing for it without the knowledge of the other eight brothers. He left them a letter that they received upon returning from their missionary endeavors. The brothers were despondent but trusted Christian, he advised in the letter his location would be revealed. The instructions he left were only partial expression of his plans for the Rosicrucian movement.

Eventually, one of the predecessors of the remaining brothers was doing some home repair and stumbled across a secret crypt chamber. Inside the chamber he found the beloved Christian interred in a coffin laid out like a sarcophagus. It were an eight sided chamber and contained several "ever-burning" candles that were still lit and burning. When the coffin was opened they found Christian looking as if he were only sleeping, though he had died over a hundred years prior. They found withing the coffin several documents, and a bible I think. One of the documents stated their group should operate in cycles of hidden and revealed in, I think, 109 yr cycles alternating.

The Rosicrucians in the USA are split into two main groups, the Rosicrucian Fellowship and the AMORC. Max Heindel was the mystic that founded the Rosicrucian Fellowship. He was said to have gone to Germany and studied under the primary nine brothers for years. He was then given their blessing to carry their mission to USA, which he did at approximately the same time the AMORC was being established, in 1919 I think. There was a bit of a schsim as each claimed to be endorsed to carry the message, though they had completely different teaching on several critical areas of study and ritual.

Both went ahead and founded their versions, the main difference being the Enochian language adapted as a tool for the AMORC, along with ritual sex. In fact, the Rosicrucian Fellowship recommends abstinence. I think they both respect one another and do not directly express any disagreement or animosity. It is said when Max Heindel departed, he was standing up and collapsed. Instead of falling to the floor invisible helpers caught him and gently laid him on his bed. That is another fundamental tradition of the Rosicrucians, to lend help if they were passing by an area and saw a needy person or situation. After giving their aide, they were to continue on their way with a little fuss as possible, just slip away.



He held a scroll in his hands that is referred to as "The Vellum T". I have never been able to find a transcription of the contents of that scroll, though I have looked a loooong time.

Anyway, he also held another letter to his brethren, which he had dated as to when his remains would be discovered. The date was spot on, the same day the crypt was found.

The wikipedia entry for rosicrucianism was gibberish to me. Not un-linguistic, but too generalized to convey any meaning or intent at all. The only thing that sticks out in my mind about the group is an image of a chart of secret societies and religions and how they respect each other. The punch line seemed to be that rosicrucians look down on everyone else and everyone else looks down on rosicrucians.


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Any ideas as to why that is? I have one but am not sharing it.

[existencebeyondexperience]

It sounds to me like something one is born into, and not given the choice of. If that is so, it's quite a poignant idea. However, the description you gave sounds like the discovery of nag hammadi but probably a different collection found.

Which character of 'T' is used in the 'Vellum T' title? Vellum sounds like veil to me.

[existencebeyondexperience]

The 109 part scares me because of its effectiveness.

[tmt]

Vellum is lambskin, old style fancy paper. I've never seen a photo of the original scroll, I only found one reference to it in an obscure little notation. I was actually trying to find information on their ever-burning lamps because they sound like light bulbs to me. I know Nikola Tesla was able to light bulbs simply placed in the ground from a distance of 20 miles - wireless power from the earth and somehow funnelled to the bulbs. The feat has not been duplicated, no one knows how he did it. I was wondering if they had designed bulbs and funnelled power from the earth by some means as well.

Heres the article:


"Christian Rosycross, of noble descent, having
upon his travels into the East and into Africa learned great
mysteries from Arabians, Chaldeans, etc., upon his return to Ger-
many established, in some place not mentioned, a secret society
composed at first of four afterwards of eight members, who
dwelt together in a building called the House of the Holy Ghost,
erected by him : to these persons, under a vow of fidelity and
secrecy, he communicated his mysteries. After they had been in-
structed, the society dispersed agreeably to their destination, with
the exception of two members, who remained alternately with the
founder.
The rules of the order were these : The members were
to cure the sick without fee or reward. No member to wear a
peculiar habit, but to dress after the fashion of the country. On
a certain day in every year all the members to assemble in the
House of the Holy Ghost, or to account for their absence. Every
member to appoint some person with the proper qualifications to
succeed him at his own decease.
The word Rosy-Cross to be their seal, watchword, and characteristic mark.
The association to be kept unrevealed for a hundred years.
Christian Rosycross died at the age of a hundred years.
His death was known to the Society, but not his grave ;
for it was a maxim of the first Rosicrucians to
conceal their burial places even from each other. New masters
were continually elected into the House of the Holy Ghost, and
the Society had now lasted 120 years.

At the end of this period, a door was discovered in the house,
and upon the opening of this
door a sepulchral vault. Upon the door was this inscription :
One hundred and twenty years hence I shall open (Post CXX.
annos patebo). The vault was a heptagon. Every side was five
feet broad and eight feet high. It was illuminated by an arti-
ficial sun. In the centre was placed, instead of a grave-stone, a
circular altar with a little plate of brass, whereon these words were
inscribed : This grave, an abstract of the whole world, I made for
myself while yet living (A, C. R. C. Hoc Universi compendium
vivus mihi sepulchrum feci). About the margin was To me
Jesus is all in all (Jesus niihi omnia). In the centre were four
figures enclosed in a circle by the revolving legend : Nequaquam
vacuum legis jugum. Libertas Evangelii. Dei gloria intacta.
(The empty yoke of the law is made void. The liberty of the
gospel. The unsullied glory of God).
Each of the seven sides of
the vault had a door opening into a chest ; which chest, besides the
secret books of the order and the Vocabularium of Paracelsus,
contained also mirrors little bells burning lamps marvellous
mechanisms of music, etc., all so contrived that, after the lapse of
many centuries, if the whole order should have perished, it might
be re-established by means of this vault.

Under the altar, upon raising the brazen tablet, the brothers found the body of Rosycross,
without taint or corruption. The right hand held a book written
upon vellum with golden letters : this book which is called T., has
since become the most precious jewel of the society next after the
Bible ; and at the end stand subscribed the names of the eight
brethren, arranged m two separate circles, who were present at
the death and burial of Father Rosycross.

Immediately after the above narrative follows a declaration of their mysteries, addressed
by the society to the whole world. They profess themselves to be
of the Protestant faith ; that they honour the Emperor and the
laws of the Empire ; and that the art of gold making is but a
slight object with them."

The whole ends with these words :
" Our House of the Holy Ghost though a hundred thousand men
should have looked upon it, is yet destined to remain untouched,
imperturbable, out of sight, and unrevealed to the whole godless
world for ever."

http://www.archive.org/stream/myster...drich_djvu.txt

It sounds to me like something one is born into, and not given the choice of. If that is so, it's quite a poignant idea. However, the description you gave sounds like the discovery of nag hammadi but probably a different collection found.

Which character of 'T' is used in the 'Vellum T' title? Vellum sounds like veil to me.

[tmt]

Nope, you have to want to be a member and there are materials that have to be studied to gain an understanding of the belief structure in reference to the individual and personal spiritual growth, which begins prior to entering into your actual life. The imperator that I studied with for a while online thought I was a vested member of the order, able to be provided much more material than a newbie. Even when I told him I wasn't even an actual member, he still left the access open for me because I understood the materials and demonstrated that in the posts I added to their forum. Then, for reasons that were never quite explained, I was suddenly banned from the site. I was told it would be a temp ban of a week, but then it was never lifted and when I emailed the moderator, he never replied. He was a real dick, did not like me one bit.

I'm pretty sure he purposely did a ban and made it permanent just because he did not like me or my views on what I consider stupidity: Golden Dawn and their misuse of the Enochian alphabet developed by Dee.

It sounds to me like something one is born into, and not given the choice of. If that is so, it's quite a poignant idea. However, the description you gave sounds like the discovery of nag hammadi but probably a different collection found.

Which character of 'T' is used in the 'Vellum T' title? Vellum sounds like veil to me.

[AmentiHall]

If you know where to find the information there is plenty on them and their traditions. They are a very interesting group. I enjoy their philosophies very much. But as to adhering to their tradition in a strict manner for initiation into higher domains of consciousness....I don't view this is as necessary. Not anymore anyways..an initiate can find his way through all sorts of information- but his/her path can be highly personal and spontaneous without the need for rigid hierarchy.

[tmt]

I agree, I found plenty of information and was given free access to the online library while I studied at the website. This is the information age and everyday more of the mystery writings find their way on to the web. Even the rarest books and manuscripts are being scanned into various resource depositories.

It never made sense to me that such spiritually beneficial materials are always hoarded away with the same tired excuses as to why they are not shared. It just doesn't make sense to me that God would prefer this method, every other gift is freely distributed in the natural world. Everything that creates sustinance, habitats, etc. Why would spiritual nourishment be doled out in crumbs? And with religions, why force it down the throats of those who do not follow the belief system?

If all of the secret societies communicated with one another they would soon find their materials are more similar than not and that each group has something that the other group needs to bring their expression to a higher level. The improved information should then be made available to whomever wants to study and learn the materials. This world would grow in leaps and bounds with better communication and sharing freely.

If you know where to find the information there is plenty on them and their traditions. They are a very interesting group. I enjoy their philosophies very much. But as to adhering to their tradition in a strict manner for initiation into higher domains of consciousness....I don't view this is as necessary. Not anymore anyways..an initiate can find his way through all sorts of information- but his/her path can be highly personal and spontaneous without the need for rigid hierarchy.

[AmentiHall]

Exactly. And I feel part of my purpose is that which you mentioned. Because its all so clear to me when I read it. I love the varying expressions, and like culture should be preserved. But there is no harm in the unification of concepts according to their core truths. Like religions for example......

As I said we are living in times where the need for secret societies will be coming to an end. Yes they preserved the knowledge in the terrible times of persecution..but those times are almost all but over. That secrecy is no longer working in the benefit of the Greater good or mankind, it is now working against it (well, primarily thanks to the military industrial compelx). There is still a religious barrier amongst many, as is clearly seen on the internet in regards to conspiracy theories. But it's getting better every day....

[existencebeyondexperience]

I guess I have a question then.

If one were to adopt such a lifestyle but not officially "join" any group or organization first, would a bunch of guys with spiffy rings show up and shut it down, and also if somebody with a spiffy ring decided to be this, would the ones who don't care about spiffy rings show up and shut it down? Further, do either of these two improvised hypothetical "sides" actually exist or is it just some mystical verbiage lining a magickal trap?

[tmt]

Thats what I do, pull concepts and ways of being from Rosicrucian as well as other mystery school types of learning and apply them to my way of being. The real reward of doing this is I hold no obligation to keep what I learn to my self or specific brethren. I've never had anyone with spiffy rings show up in any way but encouragement.

I guess I have a question then.

If one were to adopt such a lifestyle but not officially "join" any group or organization first, would a bunch of guys with spiffy rings show up and shut it down, and also if somebody with a spiffy ring decided to be this, would the ones who don't care about spiffy rings show up and shut it down? Further, do either of these two improvised hypothetical "sides" actually exist or is it just some mystical verbiage lining a magickal trap?

[ThreeWolves]

Look what happened to Little Grandmother. http://littlegrandmother.net/TribeofManyColors.aspx . She was able to share her teachings and share them with whom ever she wanted, until she became well known and started to influence a larger audience, Then the Native community tried to tear her down with anger and discrediting her. thankfully she still has the courage to teach what she believes from her heart as a human on this planet. Much of the knowledge of the lower degrees is available to the public if you look. Much of it has been published. It is when one gets into the upper degrees that it is asked to remain quiet for it is meant for people that are ready for that knowledge. Some care if you are worthy of the knowledge. If you are ready for it the universe or God or Creator can supply you with the same knowledge. It is just sometimes easier if you have people that have gone before you. That is why one joins a path usually. If you do it on your own you are a trail breaker. Usually the rule is no one cares unless you are good at what you do and people start listening to you. Then you must learn to stand in your own truth and back up what you say under scrutiny.

[existencebeyondexperience]

Interesting.

[AmentiHall]

Yes it is available and for that i greatly appreciate. It's not like the average person is interested in this stuff anyways. The only person that will flock to it will be people who are ready to read and understand. Can you imagine a person like Paris Hilton sitting down and reading a Rosicrucian manifestos?

The way to keep it secret now is simply letting "natural selection" (using the term as a pseudo metaphor here) to differentiate who will understand it and who won't. It's true that people in the past, thanks mostly to the Vatican- this stuff had to be hidden. People would of thought it was the devils work. Some people still do......But the threat is not really there anymore. Now the threat is the sealing of the information altogether by more and more disinfo altogether. By the public knowing more about it in a way is keeping the tradition alive.

That's what the East figured out when it came to some of their dying and rare Yoga's, including those of The Himalayan traditions. Both Tibetan Yoga and Buddhism are very advanced. As well as it's Alchemy (primarily found in the secrets of the Daoists). Because it was taught sparingly to a way that is similar to the mystery schools (except they are more recluses and less those in "civilized" society. It is the reason the Illuminist systems of Kaballah, Zohar, Hermeticism, and Golden Dawns systems differ from the internal alchemy of the East. It is only in that one affords you a greater freedom to live in the material reality, in the sense even one that is superficial- while the ther affords you one of greater freedom outside of it, in nature.

But by opening it up a little bit we dispel the fear from those, which are in bigger numbers than before- for those who want to read listen, learn and eventually to understand. Eventually these things will be a part of educational history. Once you get over all the excess fear in this world of course. In the near future mwuahahha

[ThreeWolves]

There are many who start these systems. Some are hard to get in and require a test of admittance to show one's determination. A lot will just walk away from it early on. Usually getting mad at one thing or another. Few will take it to completion. In these schools it is not so much about what is read, it is about what is experienced and felt. Can what is read be brought into an experiential expression of itself. Reading is just reading. Anyone can read a book. How many can apply that to everything they do in their daily living. Ceremony changes you at the cellular level. After that you are a different person. Along the path I have been reborn over and over again. Initiation is not just from what I read, or the test I go through, It is about my new understanding of spirit and who I am. I am a spiritual being having a human experience. A lot of my experiences test my ability to live that. How many times am I going to get caught up in the Human Condition. How many times am I going to go into pity for myself. How many times am I going to hold onto what is known, instead of jumping into the unknown. Can I live on the edge. Can I be the light in the darkness. Often this type of experience is hard to get from a book. It has to be experienced and lived moment by moment. That is the process of initiation. Ritual is there to get us to do that. Spirit does the same thing if we ask for it. Often traditions go underground to preserve the knowledge so it isn't lost. Practitioners would risk their lives to preserve it. How many these days have that much dedication to something.

[ThreeWolves]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...y-2368132.html

The cost of some for freedom, the right to their own choice.

[existencebeyondexperience]

That's the central theme I noticed in the first half of Starship Troopers. It's also apparently a fact since free will is the choice but what one is given to choose from can entirely be decided without that individual's input or consent, as far as I can tell.

Thankfully it is based somewhat on our input at this point but it could become such that we either vote for Mao or vote for Mao or get black-bagged.

note: This is not a slander to chinese culture or beliefs, simply an example from recent history until that gets changed for future generations to absorb and believe.

[lapideus]

The Rosicrucians began, (...)

(...) the description you gave sounds like the discovery (...)

Hi! Imho, prior to attempting a deeper understanding one should be aware that Every mystic movement has its legend, which tells in symbolic language its status in the cosmic order and the ideal which it tries to realize. (Max Heindel) See also rffriends.org/wpx/?p=3799 for a perspective from another angle.

Thats what I do, pull concepts and ways of being from Rosicrucian as well as other mystery school types of learning and apply them to my way of being. The real reward of doing this is I hold no obligation to keep what I learn to my self or specific brethren. (...)

Recalling that the true Philosophy of the Rosicrucians holds that the real Obligation is inner, to one's HigherSelf; an example, youtu.be/VY3zntXOtZM.

Hope to have been helpful.
Peace and good will

[existencebeyondexperience]

Hi! Imho, prior to attempting a deeper understanding one should be aware that Every mystic movement has its legend, which tells in symbolic language its status in the cosmic order and the ideal which it tries to realize. (Max Heindel) See also rffriends.org/wpx/?p=3799 for a perspective from another angle.



Recalling that the true Philosophy of the Rosicrucians holds that the real Obligation is inner, to one's HigherSelf; cf. youtu.be/VY3zntXOtZM.

Hope to have been helpful.
Peace and good will

Uh... thanks, I guess?

My thing is that I hold no obligation to anything or anyone because I was put here without my own permission. To rationalize a hierarchy and places therein is to acknowledge the hierarchy to begin with, which again I do not at present. I'm just working to find out where I might fit, and so far this is one of the closer matches, though as in all cases not an exact one. I can speak only for me in this instance.

[ThreeWolves]

I find it hard to believe that anyone could be on this planet without in some way agreeing to it.

[KalEl]

Hmmm interesting read, Great thread