Questions about the pleiadians?

[Haroeris]

"Its time to leave judgements behind." Tell that to the dear Pleiadeans, to stop calling human beings "lower". Anyone who does not agree with them is ostracized, just as the US call everyone who oppose them "terrorist". Soviets used that term to characterize Afghan fighters. That's their totaliaristic, imperialistic attitude. If you don't agree with us you're lower. JFK, Martin Luther King, Plato, Che, Aristotle, Ghandhi and many more. Thank you very much dear Pleiadeans we're doing fine without your "wisdom" we have plenty of our own !

[seamist]

The Pleadians are diverse and uniquely different as other cultures in the cosmos. Some of them work towards freedom of mankind some are "renegade" and do their own thing. There are also "hybrids" who for example, are mixed with Niburu-beings.

Anyways...according to some Pleadies was actually part of the reason for the destruction of Atlantis. So they are not oblivious to the dark, they have been through the war stages and other things in the past. It's hard for them to get back into that mentality because of how they have developed. They destroyed Atlantis, or helped destroy it because of what the "Elite" (who were influenced by other manipualtive beings) were doing, and what they were threatening. The Pleadians were supposed to stay, or come back and help us, protect us, and help us develop. But what happened instead is they left and did not come back...and left us to our own vices- and various "other beings," some who might view us more like a natural resource came and "took over" the farm so to speak.

So the "Pleadians" have come back in the recent history to try and help and correct their mistakes. Many in human form doing work. If Karma exists, then it is likely that the ones who "left" in the past, are the ones who are now in human bodies. So it wouldn't be surprising, if they had past life memories in Atlantis and that time period in general.

**waves I wasnt aware you were here till just now **

I cant remember the history of the whys of the Atlantis issues. But I do disagree about the Pleadians leaving earth completely. I know Ive been here since Atlantis times.. reincarnating over and over since then.. to be here now.

The Pleadians also kept closer connections with some of the native tribes eg in America with some of the Indians they were aware of the beings who'd visit from another place, (one of my incarnations was a shaman to them, I know ive been a leader/guide to many different peoples), also the australian aboriginals also used to get visits from the "sky gods" who I personally believe were Pleadian race (i feel that). I still have a connection to the location of where my race used to meet with some of the aboriginals and have been drawn to that very place to do planetary lightwork at times (there are Aboriginal legends about these.. I thou have no recollection myself thou of working with the Aboriginal peoples).

anyway... I myself dont see the earth as being abandoned. I dont know if we had any responsibility for Atlantis in anyway, so cant comment about that. (If I ever get a strong connection up with my soul family, I may ask about all this). When Altantis fell, I was fairly ordinary.. I didnt see myself as like a special being in anyway.

[Amethyst]

http://indigosociety.com/showthread....ghlight=humans

[seamist]

I hope that I don't come across as not believing in humans? Some people who call themselves "star seeds" are like that, but we are not all like that...

It can be quite hard for starseeds as humans are very unlike to how we see a big part (the more real to us part) of ourselves, yet the fact stands WE ARE ALSO HUMAN, we become so when we incarnate here and take on the human consciousness.

An inner battle then happens as we are carrying more then one type of consciousness and hence have to watch out for things like the human ego battle where we could see ourselves as elite and use our knowledge of ourselves to fuel that. It's confusing as the other part of us tells us we arent elite or anything like that, but the human part sometimes likes to think we are. For myself, its often like Im two different people, stuck in the same body. Its the human ego part which can make us look down on humans at times in discust or whatever, not the pleadian part of ourselves who does understand the Oneness of it all and does love everything.


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If we didnt also carry human conciousness... it would be much harder for people to resonate with us and see themselves and the possiblities of themselves throu us (we'd probably appear more like angels to them so they'd separate themselves from us). We dont wish to be "alien" (human term). I think also being human and having that then so close adds to our understanding of it. We know and understand what they experience for we've been there ourselves.

[Amethyst]

I just want to make one thing clear, a bit about how I feel about darkness and evil - they are not the same, and I like a bit of darkness sometimes, life here would be boring with no darkness at all!

Rape, murder, torture, to animals and humans, and harming the Earth, that's what I want to see an end of...not darkness...

[Haroeris]

We have great tasks facing us, great cultural tasks. Economic problems must be solved. No people can make better use of peace than we. However, no people knows better than we .... from an Adolf speech, november 9, 1938....

[seamist]

"what the lower dimensional groups are doing..." can i politely ask just who decides other groups are of "lower" dimension ?

I used the term "lower" was in that post to descibe the 4th and 5th dimension as it was quicker to say "lower" then start writing in individual dimensions in reference to what i was speaking of. It is truth that things ALL (every single thing) exist at different frequencies. eg reptilians are 4th D beings. Who decides which group is where.. who knows.. the group consciousness themselves? Who decides why the trees usually have brown trunks or green leaves??? It is just the way things are. I dont decide, the pleadians dont decide beings frequencies ...

Claiming someone is "higher" than any other reeks of pride and arrogance.

You are placing your own interputation onto things rather then what is meant.

If someone is standing on a step.. and hence is "higher" then you.. does that make them arrogant?. They are just in a place where they possibly may be able to see a bit more at that "point of time" and "point of place" and hence may be able to describe the scenery a little bit better.
This dont thou mean they are better then you or that they see you as lower in the other way. Possibly they would like you to be able to see the views from where they are standing too and may want to help you up (that is if YOU wanted that).

There is nothing wrong with being 3D, 4D, 5D, 6D or whatever, its just a term where someone may be standing at that point of time.. and when people use those terms it dont mean they are putting you down.

[Haroeris]

"That is the lower human attitude there.. not the attitude of a 6th Dimensional being."
"If someone is standing on a step.. and hence is "higher" then you.. does that make them arrogant?"
Who decides who's "higher" ?
"In the Jew I still saw only a man who was of a different religion, and therefore, on grounds of human tolerance, I was against the idea that he should be attacked because he had a different faith"-Adolf again.

[Haroeris]

From a book about slaughtering native indians :
"The Puritans viewed themselves as God's special people, replacing national Israel. Nowhere do the dangers of this assumption become more clear than in the Puritans' treatment of the native Americans. Since the Puritans considered themselves God's chosen people, they concluded that they had the right to take the land from the heathen Indians. The American Indians were the "new Canaanites" in America's "Promised Land." The fruit of Puritan theology was brutal. They saw their mission as convert these "Canaanites" to Christianity; failing that, it was acceptable to slaughter them in the name of Christ."
Another example of "higher" attitude....

[AmentiHall]

**waves I wasnt aware you were here till just now **

I cant remember the history of the whys of the Atlantis issues. But I do disagree about the Pleadians leaving earth completely. I know Ive been here since Atlantis times.. reincarnating over and over since then.. to be here now.

The Pleadians also kept closer connections with some of the native tribes eg in America with some of the Indians they were aware of the beings who'd visit from another place, (one of my incarnations was a shaman to them, I know ive been a leader/guide to many different peoples), also the australian aboriginals also used to get visits from the "sky gods" who I personally believe were Pleadian race (i feel that). I still have a connection to the location of where my race used to meet with some of the aboriginals and have been drawn to that very place to do planetary lightwork at times (there are Aboriginal legends about these.. I thou have no recollection myself thou of working with the Aboriginal peoples).

anyway... I myself dont see the earth as being abandoned. I dont know if we had any responsibility for Atlantis in anyway, so cant comment about that. (If I ever get a strong connection up with my soul family, I may ask about all this). When Altantis fell, I was fairly ordinary.. I didnt see myself as like a special being in anyway.

That's exactly what I mean. The ones who "Stayed behind" and "returned' were those of us who stayed here to assist throughout the entire period.

Some of the ones who "left" came back. Especially, because of those that stayed. It's all part of a bigger plan IMO. They have had a role in our early development, and in those of spiritual societies (besides the Native Americans you mentioned, they also influenced some of the Asian cultures).

Earth was not abandoned completely. The Pleadian race (physically) left, and throughout the times returned periodically and assisted in many ways. But they were no longer physically present in the way they used to be, there was a time in which they were not able to help. This is something very little talked about or told because of the usually positive channeling. This isn't made to put them in a bad light, I have connections with them too, i Love them. They are so loving in so many ways. It's just trying to illuminate how even the "good guys" have at times contributed to the situation here on the planet.

There have ALWAYS been helpers, guardians- in other words, those who ensure fairplay is going on.

[rabana]

information given me from the akasha and other sources over the length of my life:

what i call the Humans/Earth Project is not just about us. it concerns the entire universe. many off-world 'races' are mixed into our physical bodies and our true history. the point of this project has been to attract and incubate all the remaining evil from this universe to one spot and prepare it for eventual elimination, which is what we are embarking on now.

thus, we are all involved in this, all in it together. we have to accept that other races seem to stick their noses in our business because it is their business too. they are as error-prone as we are but the ethical rules are universal-- sniff out any information and hold it the light of your truth (which you are of course always endeavoring to understand and further), and take it from there.

[existencebeyondexperience]

Hmm. I'm slightly confused. Not by the thread, because what I read actually makes sense - but the use of the term "lower" referring to less-than-sixth dimensional minds. How can a 6D believe that they're that high and mighty is my question. I use 6 as the grease in cogs 8-13 on my way to spooling up triple-digits, to use their parlance. And you'll seldom if ever catch me referring to anyone as "lower" unless they're 2D and pissing me off.

[1month1day11]

I hope that I don't come across as not believing in humans? Some people who call themselves "star seeds" are like that, but we are not all like that...

Over the years that I have been here, I have said quite a few times on how I believe in the human race (of which I am part of), how they have so much potential, and on how there is lots of love and beauty in the world, as well as the other more "negative" stuff...when some people would say how shitty the human race were, and talked about them in a black and white way, like they were just a rotten virus, i sometimes stood up for them, and said this wasn't true, because it isn't true, and it is not fair on the human race to be talked about like that, and a few times I made threads on showing the beauty of the human race, in pictures and in real life stories - I don't like to hear people bad mouth humans as if it is the truth about them, when it is only one aspect of them, and more so for some of them, and not all of them.

I am not like some of those so called "Pleadian messengers"...and I do not want to be associated with them!!! (not saying that you are doing this, just to put that there!!!). One of these people, I don't want to say who, really gets on my nerves, the stuff that this person comes out with, and the tone in their voice...I just get the feeling to not identify or say anything about this person...

I have had past lives other than Pleades, and Earth, as well (my feeling)...and I want to know more...

I don't trust most of the channellings out there...a small minority are for real...the rest are either entities posing as certain ETs or angels (deceiving the channeler, with truths mixed with untruths, and the agenda not being known), or people just making it up/delusional...

I am a hybrid. I have the unusual plight of seeing both sides. The problem with my non-human society is that we care too much sometimes.....the problem with my human society is that sometimes we don't care enough.

My non-human society never, ever 'channels' anything...they find that it is unnecessary. They just show themselves to a person of interest directly. If they enter a body, it is through agreement, and usually for an extended period of time, not just some temporary walk-in to spew a message and then leave. We consider that a waste of energy.

Any other race that interacts with humans should have the utmost respect. No infringement on free-will, no condescending attitude, no looking down on them....that is the most insulting and non-genuine action any non-human race can do. People in my non-human society are punished for such behaviors.

If any non-human race really wants to make head way with the human race, they need to respect their space (as we do), stop interfering, and only assist when it is truly needed or asked of them. Too much meddling skews humanities' path, and robs them of the opportunity to find their own way. Human beings are quite capable, they don't need anyone holding their hands.

Offer guidance when it's warrented, but otherwise, bugger off!!LOL

That has been our approach and it has fostered trust and respect between us and them. "We are here if you need us, but otherwise, we will stay out of your face, and let you learn for yourselves."

[bron020]

You can't really say that the Pleidians are bad or good. BTW the GFL is one of many groups that has influence and interest in our Earth. The Pleiadians are higher demential being from what I understand. And they like many space brothers are offering us help and guide's. I don't really think that they feel superior. They don't see things like that. At least they should not any being that understands the Cosmic rules and laws knows this.

[seamist]

I don't really think that they feel superior. They don't see things like that. At least they should not any being that understands the Cosmic rules and laws knows this.

Thanks. We all operate in multiple dimensions anyway.

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I think the issue often comes down to people not really understanding what is meant and putting their own flavours onto it, when certain terminology is used.
I dont know how to describe a path of growth.. everything in the universe grows. EVERYTHING. The pleadian dimension is "lower" eg not as high a frequency as the ones above it. Its just how it is.. I dont see if insultive if we were refered to being lower then 12D or whatever. Its nothing more then like saying coordinate or whatever to describe a certain space which indicates like a location..

Maybe someone can suggest a better term to be used when one is describing the frequencies and the rise in them rather then lower??? which seems to bother people so much.

Please someone help me out and give me a better terminology which can be used quickly in posts (rather then having to try to give long winded explainations and start writing every one which is being refered to down. eg if i was writing down any frequency not as high as the 12th.. I dont want to have to actually state "In the 11, 10, 9, 8, 7" etc just to avoid a quick explaination of what is being refered to as using a number then the word "lower". I usually would just say .. lower then 12D or whatever the number is, people do understand just by that what dimensions are being refered to.

Those who feel not happy over the terminologies so often used.. rather then get bothered by this please give me another way to explain what one means then without using that word. How would you prefer if one was talking about 5th, 4th and the 3rd or less then 12th or whatever be put?????

Thank you.

Namaste

[Haroeris]

"the point of this project has been to attract and incubate all the remaining evil from this universe to one spot and prepare it for eventual elimination, which is what we are embarking on now"
From "History of 3rd Reich : "Nazi ideas of racial superiority were not new. At the end of the 19th century racism combined with the pseudo-science, Social Darwinism, created ideas similar to those Hitler would espouse later.
He described a racial hierarchy with the "Aryans", the culture-producing race, at the top and Jews, Africans and Gypsies (Romani), the culture-destroying races, at the bottom.
In his speeches he played on fears that Germans would one day be outnumbered by inferior peoples and hearkened back to an idealized time when the Aryan "Volk" lived in harmony. Hitler's goal was to remove the inferior types from Germany, making more lebensraum (living space) for the superior Aryans"
Too many similarities....who decides "Evil" "Superior" etc ?
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

[Haroeris]

"Please someone help me out and give me a better terminology"
how about Racism ?
"The greatest influence in the sudden development of racism in the 19th century Europe was the replacement of the Christian belief that "God created all people equal" by "Darwinism". By suggesting that man had evolved from more primitive creatures, and that some races had evolved further than others, it provided racism with a scientific mask.
Happy now ?

[seamist]

"the point of this project has been to attract and incubate all the remaining evil from this universe to one spot and prepare it for eventual elimination, which is what we are embarking on now"
From "History of 3rd Reich : "Nazi ideas of racial superiority were not new. At the end of the 19th century racism combined with the pseudo-science, Social Darwinism, created ideas similar to those Hitler would espouse later.
He described a racial hierarchy with the "Aryans", the culture-producing race, at the top and Jews, Africans and Gypsies (Romani), the culture-destroying races, at the bottom.
In his speeches he played on fears that Germans would one day be outnumbered by inferior peoples and hearkened back to an idealized time when the Aryan "Volk" lived in harmony. Hitler's goal was to remove the inferior types from Germany, making more lebensraum (living space) for the superior Aryans"
Too many similarities....who decides "Evil" "Superior" etc ?
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

If one looks hard enough and wants to find it, one will find similarity in comparing anything to anything.

You are quite welcome to believe in whatever you do (I enjoy posts that have different views which are keeping very civil for a change. That's nice, I wish differing views were always this nice with communication. Thank you
even if you do think Im like the Nazis and being compared to Hitler lol ).

[Amethyst]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/differentiate

[seamist]

"Please someone help me out and give me a better terminology"
how about Racism ?
"The greatest influence in the sudden development of racism in the 19th century Europe was the replacement of the Christian belief that "God created all people equal" by "Darwinism". By suggesting that man had evolved from more primitive creatures, and that some races had evolved further than others, it provided racism with a scientific mask.
Happy now ?

I myself dont think it was racism, the suggestion that Darwin suggested man developed from primitive creatures . Seems you want to project negativity but that is fine . I arent arguing about all this as Im seeing it as amusing the Hitlter/Pleadian comparisons as they are so way out there to my own feelings and thoughts, (obviously thou they arent to you).

If you believe that things never evolve or have ever evolved.. that's completely fine with me . We are all free to believe as we wish.

I just enjoy a good debate or chat.

Do you know what Namaste means?