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    It is yet it is not.

    This world is what we make of it. The true beauty of this world is held in our OWN opinion to me a lion is beautiful and innocent to others it is not. What we make of the world is what we want to see if we want to see beauty then the world becomes beauty if we want to see happiness then the world is happiness. if you want something then the world will become that thing. Nothing matters except the feelings and opinions of us and others around us. If there was no animals (including humans) then this world would be nothing but because there are animals the world is. Even if the world exists if there is no living thing then it does not exsist.


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    Did i put this in the wrong place?

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    The proverbial "tree in the forest", right? If a tree falls in a lonely forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? Yes, that is quite intriguing my friend...

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    It is intriguing...I think that quantum mechanics says that the observation of any state is what "sets it in stone" for us...up to then, all possibilities are equally true. (disclaimer: I am not a physicist.)
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    When a choice decision is selected, then time happens.

    But guys, I really, truly loved that moment when the forum said "It is yet is not" and posts read "zero" and last response said "never." I really, really loved it :'(
    Could we not just have let it BE/BeNot?
    Dum Spiro Spero Meliora
    .... but why hope for better when you can settle for best!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clear Blue Sky View Post
    When a choice decision is selected, then time happens.

    But guys, I really, truly loved that moment when the forum said "It is yet is not" and posts read "zero" and last response said "never." I really, really loved it :'(
    Could we not just have let it BE/BeNot?
    Awesome thinking.
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    i couldent sully it. but now that it is. well. how long does your zen state last guys. mine only lasts about 8 hours and thats with gulp help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clear Blue Sky View Post
    When a choice decision is selected, then time happens.

    But guys, I really, truly loved that moment when the forum said "It is yet is not" and posts read "zero" and last response said "never." I really, really loved it :'(
    Could we not just have let it BE/BeNot?
    Maybe it still says that somewhere and you can't see it ... :~)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clear Blue Sky View Post
    When a choice decision is selected, then time happens.

    But guys, I really, truly loved that moment when the forum said "It is yet is not" and posts read "zero" and last response said "never." I really, really loved it :'(
    Could we not just have let it BE/BeNot?
    Actually .... I love the idea that you appreciated there not being a single thread here, not a single post, no response, etc .... but then once that was broken, here you are, posting.

    I enjoy the domino effect and all the questions that beg to be asked as a result. lol :~)

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    Quote Originally Posted by injured owl View Post
    Actually .... I love the idea that you appreciated there not being a single thread here, not a single post, no response, etc .... but then once that was broken, here you are, posting.

    I enjoy the domino effect and all the questions that beg to be asked as a result. lol :~)
    Reality/Delusion, bursting into bustling being
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clear Blue Sky View Post
    Reality/Delusion, bursting into bustling being
    Would you mind not hijacking sorry but this was meant to be a thread of deep thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clear Blue Sky View Post
    Reality/Delusion, bursting into bustling being
    Quote Originally Posted by Aelunc View Post
    Would you mind not hijacking sorry but this was meant to be a thread of deep thought.
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    As I said, the domino effect :~)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelunc View Post
    What we make of the world is what we want to see if we want to see beauty then the world becomes beauty if we want to see happiness then the world is happiness. if you want something then the world will become that thing. Nothing matters except the feelings and opinions of us and others around us. If there was no
    I don't see it that way...it's not like that for me...for example, I want to see no more cruelty to animals...an end to factory farming, animals roaming around free, just because I want it, doesn't mean that I will not see what I don't want...I can turn a blind eye, but that doesn't make it not exist...

    A bit like if you stop watching and reading the news, you are not consciously aware of certain things going on in the world, but that hasn't stopped them from existing...

    I see what I want, and what I don't want...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelunc View Post
    This world is what we make of it. The true beauty of this world is held in our OWN opinion to me a lion is beautiful and innocent to others it is not. What we make of the world is what we want to see if we want to see beauty then the world becomes beauty if we want to see happiness then the world is happiness. if you want something then the world will become that thing. Nothing matters except the feelings and opinions of us and others around us. If there was no animals (including humans) then this world would be nothing but because there are animals the world is. Even if the world exists if there is no living thing then it does not exsist.
    Your first sentence I think reflects the notion of the great pole - splitting, distinguishing, defining. But then you open the door and reality/delusion bursts through. What do your words imply? That there is true and untrue. That there is beauty and not beauty. That there is opinion. That opinion is possessed. That this possession of opinion can in turn hold beauty. Innocence, happiness -- these are human mental constructs. We create emotions in or heads like 'fear' and 'attraction', and then puzzle why our emotions are often so mixed up. The best thing I discovered was to appreciate the realization that the mind can hold many thoughts, many feelings. When we blow away the mist of paradigms we are open to the empty fullness of reshaping. Sometimes it takes a paradigm shift to change the world in action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelunc View Post
    This world is what we make of it. The true beauty of this world is held in our OWN opinion to me a lion is beautiful and innocent to others it is not. What we make of the world is what we want to see if we want to see beauty then the world becomes beauty if we want to see happiness then the world is happiness. if you want something then the world will become that thing. Nothing matters except the feelings and opinions of us and others around us. If there was no animals (including humans) then this world would be nothing but because there are animals the world is. Even if the world exists if there is no living thing then it does not exsist.
    IMO: Animals are not the only living things on this planet which contains souls. Just because you don't know of it or have knowledge of it does not mean that it doesn't exist. This is not the only planet or plane of existence. There are infinite universes whether we're aware of them or not. They just are not a part of OUR personal universe. Just because the tree falls and no one heard it doesn't mean the tree didn't fall. When you go back later and it's down...?

    The ripple effect of one's universe on another's exists we just arn't aware of it because we don't typically pay attention to the consistent ramifications of the universe's interacting with ours. It's just natural. It'll happen outside of incarnation as well.

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