Invitation to Interpretation

[Clear Blue Sky]

I have had a number of psycho-symbolic synchornistic things happening in my life, they tend to cluster toward Christ. One peculiarity has to do with random opening of bibles and reading passages. Quite a few times now I have done this twice in sequence and gotten the same pairing of these two passages. It seems as if they are intended to be fit together or resonate off each other somehow.... puzzled how the pieces fit.

passage 1: 2Romans21-23: For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal men and birds and animals and reptiles.

passage 2: from Acts 10. .... Peter "saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, 'Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.' 'Surely not, Lord!' Peter replied. 'I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.' The voice spoke to him a second time: 'Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.'".

[Know the Truth]

Very cool. This also happens to me a lot! I guess I'll give it a try with my interpretation...

passage 1: 2Romans21-23: For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal men and birds and animals and reptiles.

This first passage describes idolatry. It talks about people worshipping graven images of mortal men and animals instead of giving glory and thanks to God. The passage is about how people claim wisdom but are not wise when they turn away from God.

passage 2: from Acts 10. .... Peter "saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, 'Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.' 'Surely not, Lord!' Peter replied. 'I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.' The voice spoke to him a second time: 'Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.'".

This is Peter's vision that God unveiled to him. It's believed to mean that God was testing Peter's faith in what He commanded him to do. It's less about Jewish and Gentile food laws than it was about Peter accepting Gentiles as full followers of Christ, just as Jewish Christians were. He was puzzled because he thought God was changing His previous instructions, but actually, it wasn't about eating certain meat, it was about accepting that God can choose to change His laws if He chooses to include people who follow His word.

This is just my interpretation - - but I see that the common theme seems to be relying on God and His wisdom. It's about spiritual discernment through God - - not idol worship or through human customs.

What do you think?

[Clear Blue Sky]

The thing that struck me was the parity there: both texts containing things that look like animals and reptiles and birds and mortal men (Cornelius the centurion Peter accepts being the mortal man in the one instance). One says foolish to turn to them exhange for God; the other seems to be declaring them clean if accepted by God. Background of how this resonated with me, one example:

won't go into the whole spaghetti sauce incidents, but early on a syncrhonicity hit that got me flummoxed to the point where I shut down avenues for shall we say 'interpretation'. I would sit on my bed with a closed bible and pray "no more of this I open and read or hear something and interpret God, if you want to talk to me it had better be very deliberate and very obvious." and so at the next spaghetti event I was deliberate, no radio on; if anything 'came' it had to be obvious. And as I am standing by the window in tears from cutting the onion, this frog appears clinging to my window. and I laugh through the tears and said, quite out loud. "Thank you, god. That IS very obvious. but what does it mean?"

and the next morning, this article showed up on my web page headline:

http://post.thing.net/node/2263

I want you to read the article while listening to this at the same time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv3ic6OOXns

That Artist, Martin Kippenberger, died March 7, 1997, at the height of what I'd called the Days of God some 14 (going on 15) years ago.... what I'd referenced in that other thread about 'imagine'.

Also in 1997 (sept 19) had died the Christian songwriter Rich Mullins, in a not-so-fiery car crash. I heard in his last album he had inserted this song he had released before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh1Y-eIu99Q you should click the 'more' on the intro to this. They say he called this his favorite song. when asked why he included it again, he had said "nobody heard it the first time." This was the last album to be released before his death.

edited to add: lol (head bang). Also september 1997, some fellow named Stephen came back from death... (slams head on desk). ack...

[Know the Truth]

Wow... OK, there are a lot of layers to this, I guess.

I noticed the mention and references to animals and mortal men in the two passages, but didn't really connect them to anything specific. But with the background info you shared, I see now that this was a personal message God was giving you.

He gives us all our own personal messages in many ways. I believe I've been shown similar things before.

The song "Imagine" and the references to "belief," and then the synchronicity between the dates you mentioned, the topic of that article and what the artist claimed his reason was for creating what he did. All of that combined with the meaning of the Bible passages. I see it now. It's actually quite deep, and I think different people may interpret it different ways. I believe that the way you interpret it is very personal for you, and that's the beauty of it. God's word can speak to people in many different and unique ways.

Just a couple of things I wondered about though:

That Artist, Martin Kippenberger, died March 7, 1997, at the height of what I'd called the Days of God some 14 (going on 15) years ago.... what I'd referenced in that other thread about 'imagine'.

You mentioned this time as the Days of God. It must hold a special personal meaning for you, and if you like to share it, you can. If not, that's fine. I was just wondering.

Also in 1997 (sept 19) had died the Christian songwriter Rich Mullins, in a not-so-fiery car crash. I heard in his last album he had inserted this song he had released before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh1Y-eIu99Q you should click the 'more' on the intro to this. They say he called this his favorite song. when asked why he included it again, he had said "nobody heard it the first time." This was the last album to be released before his death.

What a great song! And in the context of his death, it's even more profound.

edited to add: lol (head bang). Also september 1997, some fellow named Stephen came back from death... (slams head on desk). ack...

Lol - - ow, that sounded like it hurt!

I'm guessing this date in part of what you referred to before about the Days of God?

[Clear Blue Sky]

The Days of God was a span of time, a highlighted intensity of focus. Began roughly December 1996, hit a synchronistic high point Easter 1997 (the year of two easters hehe) went to the brink of mad mystic hyper-associative late 1997 through 1998 -- some of what I wrote then is a mystery to me today, but beautifully symbolic and poetic, diagramatic, insightful 'my lamp was lit' and even my computer and printer went a bit mad so it wasn't just me ;-) -- but, going back through my journals, I just noticed something. Havent' pinpointed the exact date when I told God to back off, but finding references to that 'love is not always on time' coming back bit (I refer to it february 1998 so I must have said 'back off' sometime late 97 or early 98).... evidntly after that conversation we kept talking anyway, just not with the same flair and open conduit rabid intensity of 96-97, slowed down by 2001, not an entry in 2004, nor 2006. since late 2007 things have been flaring back and found a second wind. more balanced these days. I was such a different person back in the 90's. Somedays I think I should go back and lay out a timeline and connect up all the elements logicaly, but then part of me says that would be leaning. need to press on, and it was never about logic anyway.

I realize now the connections I posted earlier may have gotten your focus more on 'death'. Back in 1997 the only death I knew of at the time was Rich Mullins'. Kippenberger meant nothing to me, wasn't in my life until the spaghetti frog incident as a connector. I ddin't know about the guy named Stephen back then either -- didn't close the link in fact until I discovered it last night -- woudl have looked at the whole thing in a harsher light back then if I had, which is wrong, but highly significant, but I don't want to talk about that here.

many ways to look at it. one that links these three together is artistic expression. And expressions/explorations of God which may have been rejected, misinterpreted, not rightly seen by a judgmental some. Of the two I have discussed: one a sculptor/painter who, in some angst moment, incorporated some echo of Christ in his artwork. The other a singer putting christian song in contemporary music at a time when there were vocal christians criticizing bringing religious music down to the mainstream gutter. I think it's a trajedy that happens when people put the symbolism, the iconography, the culture of religion about the keen awareness that there is a human soul reaching for expressed communication. "nobody heard it the first time" R. mullins said. Has the vatican exchanged the white washed tomb for a white washed cross? Why going on about the symbol of the cross and not the figure crucified? Like the snake Moses lifted up int he desert, at the commandment of God for the healing of people, icons and idols can take subtle forms. So some want to detach from symbols and trappings, to cut to the raw heart. but iconoclasty is a form of idolatry. and like the sun spike/column on my birthday (or the appearance of spaghetti frog)-- the communication of God is willing with the right spirit and focus to express in many forms. Last night opening the bible, fell on the passage how Jesus spoke in many parables, and he did not speak to the crowds except by using parables.

[Clear Blue Sky]

"To lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose" as per the fortune cookie of the other thread.

Today here monday morning midnight. Asked to God, the passage, not a passage this time, but one of those inserted commentaries between chapters: "This chapter is filled with irony. Satan's 'triumph' is actually his defeat. Christ's 'defeat' is actually his triumph. How should this challenge your view of the way God works in our lives?"

The other day (day before yesterday now) had a sun column driving home, yet it wasn't even my birthday But it was the anniversary of the birth of freedom in America, end to slavery, exoneration of art, the death of the confederate 'king of the south'.

[tmt]

I like the words that jumped out to you, CBSky. The one from Romans, I find especially intriguing as I have been learning from a perspective of Creator of All working with me as a Creative Force; in this learning environment I have autonomy and a great deal of latitude to influence events of our planet, constellations, galaxies, past events, and the Universe/Multi-Verse dimensions. The Creator of All is a fancy rat named Bobo. His linguistic skills and brilliance are of course, beyond measure. He and I are making examples of symbolic value to help the ethereal beings (our 'guides', guardians, teachers, etc.) to understand they are expected to give their personal best in all aspects of their duties. Their personal time is their own, and I can't begin to tell you how many times I have heard from them that they are required REQUIRED mind you, to do nothing, learn nothing, have no type of personal interests. That sort of took me aback, I mean: What?!!! Whoever made up their Angelic job descriptions really needs to work on their benefit packages and incentives, lol.

In our free form discussions, I was introduced to a go getter from the Greek end of the constellation names: Apollo. He told me they as constellation beings are not allowed to cross-train in any type of learning - only to receive redundant drills with regard to their structured route in the heavens. We then went to the heavenly entities that process the passages in to the levels of the working areas of the Heavenly realms. These beings are not allowed to learn anything at all. We learned this by happenstance as one fellow was flustered by his control panel.

Now I told Apollo, these guys are really smart and they get kicks telling me they don't know how to work the controls just to be a pain in the ass. So what I do is go there, stare at them like they are morons and then tell them, "I'm only going to show you this once." Then I take their device, which looks to me like a freaking hot dog cart, and move all the components, shelves, drawers, and whatever decorations are attached. I rearrange the entire component, which presents the opportunity for them to explore the new stuff, at least. Then I very arrogant and pompously point to the one red button on the device - the only part of the device that remains located in the same place, despite millions of changes. I tell them, "Just push this button ... You know this ... " in the most annoying voice I can muster. I usually then remind them I hate them all equally and leave but in this particular encounter we engaged in more meaningful dialogue and with the help of Apollo, we were able to arrange a cross training action plan. I thought it was very nice of the dude to come and hang out with me. He has the best sneer ever and I tried to make my sneer as cool. I think I did a few times, because I got comments on how I looked like Apollo. A few beings thought I may have a family tie to him; which led to another discussion of his origins and I was surprised to find out he has a sister named Artemis. Her name immediately made my mind wheel the into: Art I Miss, because her present location and activities were rather murky.

The point of all of this; how can any one being exemplify the Creator of All? I mean, the Greek God emulations reflect their luminous grace as only a portion of the wider All Creator at a level that implies they are wise, leaders, and love this place we call Creation. Taking that into consideration, even with the thousands of variants of God/Creator - we are not at a full understanding of Creator of All, right? Even if we retained every information of the personality/interests and such of every God Emulation that has ever received a following. We are always moving toward, within/without in our personal understanding and our capacity to gain a perspective is directly related to our effort to seek understanding and apply it to our way of living. Why shouldn't we help others, the entities that are God's finest examples of precision and responsibility to maintain natural order in a way that adheres to the firmament of Creator.

And if Creator of All is never completely understood and everywhere at once, why not emulate that symbolically with a fancy rat named Bobo? He flows through the frames of time with the ease afforded by his complete understanding of Quantum physics in a sentient ship with abilities to be the crew and the ship all at once. The Romans passage would likely condemn this line of thinking. Though I surmise perhaps the men in being described may have been thinking along similar lines? I do not see where anyone asks the men, what is your view of these natural beings of Creation? Do they have a symbolic value? A literal value? Where did the tradition begin? No communication - only a statement based on a cursory view from the condemners own point of view.

The passage from Acts, well it is Peter at his typical sort of Gilligan/Little Buddy screw up self, lol. He is symbolic as the lunk head that never quite 'gets it'. Nail it down, Peter. Peter then notes in his Die-aree, "Note to self, 1. Be crucified in the downward facing direction, feet up in the air. 2. Apply to be a rockstar constellation God Emulation like Apollo because they have the best job ever. 3. As a backup plan, apply to be an Angelic being that never has to do anything after their duties are completed."

I have had a number of psycho-symbolic synchornistic things happening in my life, they tend to cluster toward Christ. One peculiarity has to do with random opening of bibles and reading passages. Quite a few times now I have done this twice in sequence and gotten the same pairing of these two passages. It seems as if they are intended to be fit together or resonate off each other somehow.... puzzled how the pieces fit.

passage 1: 2Romans21-23: For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal men and birds and animals and reptiles.

passage 2: from Acts 10. .... Peter "saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, 'Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.' 'Surely not, Lord!' Peter replied. 'I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.' The voice spoke to him a second time: 'Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.'".

[SophiA AntipoliS]

I have had a number of psycho-symbolic synchornistic things happening in my life, they tend to cluster toward Christ. One peculiarity has to do with random opening of bibles and reading passages. Quite a few times now I have done this twice in sequence and gotten the same pairing of these two passages. It seems as if they are intended to be fit together or resonate off each other somehow.... puzzled how the pieces fit.

passage 1: 2Romans21-23: For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal men and birds and animals and reptiles.

passage 2: from Acts 10. .... Peter "saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, 'Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.' 'Surely not, Lord!' Peter replied. 'I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.' The voice spoke to him a second time: 'Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.'".

perhaps he knew Peter did know God, and could then tell others of the good and cleanliness in these animals. they begin the chain-of-life, consume and feed the Earth rather then there being a constant source, another duality is brought forth. a reality beautiful enough, and good enough for the moment to strive for, to feel worthy of living for and so dying for, and then over time, these animals are seen as what is life sustaining, and where these animals came from is the Kingdom Of God to be always trusted as it always has been...
hasnt it??

[SophiA AntipoliS]

The passage from Acts, well it is Peter at his typical sort of Gilligan/Little Buddy screw up self, lol. He is symbolic as the lunk head that never quite 'gets it'. Nail it down, Peter. Peter then notes in his Die-aree, "Note to self, 1. Be crucified in the downward facing direction, feet up in the air. 2. Apply to be a rockstar constellation God Emulation like Apollo because they have the best job ever. 3. As a backup plan, apply to be an Angelic being that never has to do anything after their duties are completed."

n/m that now...who gave peter the hammer, and where did the hammer come from?!?
fakNa

[tmt]

There is an interesting book, or fragment of a book that is supposed to be quotations of Jesus Holy Christ. Do you remember our discussion of Prayer Circles? I love that part at the beginning of Jesus Christ Superstar, an excellent movie and the first movie I ever saw at a theater. Their circle is filmed from a top view, which really captures the fluid motion of the participants, their dancing prayer - which is juxstapositioned in a sidereal way by the modern jet fighter planes in the distance and the total hippie bus that they assemble in front of when making their circular group.

Here is some of it:

We will now turn to the Hymn itself, and first give a version of it from Bonnet's text. In the newly-recovered fragment it is introduced as follows:

"Now before He was taken by the lawless Jews--by them who are under the law of the lawless Serpent--He gathered us together and said:

"'Before I am delivered over unto them we will hymn the Father, and so go forth to what lieth before [us].'

"Then bidding us make as it were a ring, by holding each others' hands, with Him in the midst, He said:

"'Answer "Amen" to Me.'

"Then He began to hymn a hymn and say:

{p. 21}



THE HYMN.

Glory to Thee, Father!

(And we going round in a ring answered to Him

Amen!

Glory to Thee, Word (Logos)!

Amen!

Glory to Thee, Grace (Charis)!

Amen!

Glory to Thee, Spirit!
Glory to Thee, Holy One!
Glory to Thy Glory!

Amen!

{p. 22}

We praise Thee, O Father;
We give Thanks to Thee, O light;
In Whom Darkness dwells not!

Amen!

(For what we give thanks to the Logos).

[Or, if we adopt the "emended" text: For what we give thanks, I say:]

I would be saved; and I would save.

Amen!

I would be loosed; and I would loose.

Amen!

I would be wounded; and I would wound.

[Or, I would be pierced; and I would pierce.

{p. 23}

Another reading has:

I would be dissolved (or consumed for love); and I would dissolve.]

Amen!

I would be begotten; and I would beget.

Amen!

I would eat; and I would be eaten.

Amen!

I would hear; and I would be heard.

Amen!

[I would understand; and] I would be understood; being all Understanding (Nous).

[The first cause I have supplied; the last is probably a gloss.]

{p. 24}

I would be washed; and I would wash.

Amen!

(Grace leadeth the dance.)

I would pipe; dance ye all.

Amen!

I would play a dirge; lament ye all.

Amen!

The one Eight (Ogdoad) sounds (or plays) with us.

Amen!

The Twelfth number above leadeth the dance.

Amen!

{p. 25}

All whose nature is to dance [doth dance].

Amen!

Who danceth not, knows not what is being done.

Amen!

I would flee; and I would stay.

Amen!

I would be adorned; and I would adorn.

[The clauses are reversed in the text.]

Amen!

I would be at-oned; and I would at-one.

Amen!

{p. 26}

I have no dwelling; and I have dwellings.

Amen!

I have no place; and I have places.

Amen!

I have no temple; and I have temples.

Amen!

I am a lamp to thee who seest Me.

Amen!

I am a mirror to thee who understandest Me.

Amen!

I am a door to thee who knockest at Me.

Amen!

{p. 27}

I am a way to thee a wayfarer.

Amen!

Now answer to My dancing!

See thyself in Me who speak;
And seeing what I do,
Keep silence on My Mysteries.

Understand by dancing, what I do;
For thine is the Passion of Man
That I am to suffer.

Thou couldst not at all be conscious
Of what thou dost suffer,
Were I not sent as thy Word by the Father.
[The last clause may be emended: I am thy Word; I was sent by the Father.]

Seeing what I suffer,

{p. 28}

Thou sawest Me as suffering;
And seeing, thou didst not stand,
But wast moved wholly,
Moved to be wise.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/gno/hoj.htm#preamble

The text has hyper links that give an in depth analysis of "The Dance":

The ceremony again changes with the words: "Now answer to My dancing."

All now may be believed to be taking place within the Master-Presence. Union of substance has been attained, but not yet union of consciousness. Before that final mystery can be consummated,the knowledge of the Passion of Man, that is of the Great Passion or perpetual experience of the Great Act, must be achieved.

The soul is to gaze upon the mystery as upon its own Passion. The perfected

{p. 66}

soul can gaze upon the mystery in peace; as yet, however, the soul of the aspirant is not perfected in gnosis, but in substance only, so that it may feel the Great Passion in itself, and yet as apart from itself.

Hereupon in the lower rite, the mystery-drama, the Passion of Man, must have been shown. What it may have been is not easy to conjecture; it must, however, have been something of a most distressing nature, for the neophyte is moved or shaken completely--that is to say,unnerved. He had not the strength of perfect faith in the Power of the Master; for, presumably, he saw that very Master dismembered before his eyes, or becoming many from one, or in some way done to death.

After the Passion-drama or Passion-vision comes the instruction; for in such rites--such passions or experiences for the sake of knowing--there must be

{p. 67}

the actual experience in feeling before there can be gnosis.

This knowledge is given by the Master Himself, the Logos in man: Wherefore it needs must be the lover should first behold the Beloved suffering.

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It is quite an interesting read, I enjoyed it tremendously when I stumbled across it.

I like the way it is given, in a fun and carefree way of joy. Happy Fun Jesus, we rarely see that in the Canonized writings and not at all in the Bible - except for his sardonic humor and heavy sarcasm. I love that attitude, I call it Baditude. Not for the faint of heart or those that have an agenda of garnering favor/power in this life.

Last night opening the bible, fell on the passage how Jesus spoke in many parables, and he did not speak to the crowds except by using parables.

[Know the Truth]

I like the way it is given, in a fun and carefree way of joy. Happy Fun Jesus, we rarely see that in the Canonized writings and not at all in the Bible - except for his sardonic humor and heavy sarcasm. I love that attitude, I call it Baditude. Not for the faint of heart or those that have an agenda of garnering favor/power in this life.

He sure put the Pharisees in their places several times. But thought his attitude may have appeared to many as "Baditude" (I love that word, by the way), it actually served to wake people up and try to get them to see His point - - that they weren't getting the message He came to teach - - which was one of love and concern for all of humankind and the world around them.

I think that Jesus was probably more fun and joyful than many people imagine Him as being. He had a very deep understanding of human nature.

[Clear Blue Sky]

Interesting thoughts, TMT. what do you think of the notion that all beings are in some way imaginary friends or sock puppets in the Mind of God? I once visited an Egyptian exhibit. There was a huge stone box a sarcophagus. I felt a force emenating from that box. powerful, very solid, very asserted I AM HERE force, solid like a centuries millenia old stone. and I felt sorry for the spirit of that force, being stuck in that one spot for so long.

Sybmols are stock characters. what lies at their heart is the force that flows on. Many froms over many stone all soul dances, laughter and change, reflection and sounding back, reverberation, emenation.... hold the living water lightly through your flowing hands.

[Clear Blue Sky]

He sure put the Pharisees in their places several times. But thought his attitude may have appeared to many as "Baditude" (I love that word, by the way), it actually served to wake people up and try to get them to see His point - - that they weren't getting the message He came to teach - - which was one of love and concern for all of humankind and the world around them.

I think that Jesus was probably more fun and joyful than many people imagine Him as being. He had a very deep understanding of human nature.

Amen to that.

my iPod random half hour pre-snooze mix for the evening:

Handel's Messiah
Asleep on Holy Ground (song of Jacob and the wrestling dream man)
Miracles out of Nowhere (Moody blues blame tmt )
My Cathedral -- song of a guy worshipping God in his nature back yard
the Ballad of John & Yoko -- I see a coyote pouncing and eating mice when I hear this, because I video taped a coyote in my yard once when this happened to be playing in the background, ggggg.... don't tell Yoko ;P
Joy in the Journey - Michael Card Song
Phillippians Canticle

not a bad mix for sleeping just so I don't have any coyote dreams

[Clear Blue Sky]

wellll..... looks like coyote paid a visit to the wood-crossed tomb of the body of the stub-tailed mouse. just a hole there now. no mouse. no wooden cross either. Coyote took them both.

edited the next morning.... and the coyote left a black-painted plastic jug with a hole nipped in one end of it. The Dark Bottle
In Ecology the Dark Bottle and Light Bottle are paired together to measure the change in gas over time to estimate the degree of net primary productivity (photosynthesis).
I am thinking too of the 'Frog Lifter' jugs I had put in the window wells some while back. The frog used the jug to rescue itself, although not quite via the motivations and assumptions I had figured by when I put the jug down there, that it would think only of moisture and jump inside to stay moist. Still, it worked:

[Know the Truth]

wellll..... looks like coyote paid a visit to the wood-crossed tomb of the body of the stub-tailed mouse. just a hole there now. no mouse. no wooden cross either. Coyote took them both.

Oh no. Hmm.. well, we know why the coyote took the body of the mouse, but why the cross, too? Interesting. This kind of reminds me of what happened to a hamster I had when I was a kid. When he died, my dad buried him in the backyard in a little cardboard box. Later - - maybe a month or more - - the empty box turned up, torn to shreds, on the lawn. :/ Apparently some coyote sniffed it out and saw it as a take-out meal. It kind of gave me a lesson about nature's way, lol.

edited the next morning.... and the coyote left a black-painted plastic jug with a hole nipped in one end of it. The Dark Bottle
In Ecology the Dark Bottle and Light Bottle are paired together to measure the change in gas over time to estimate the degree of net primary productivity (photosynthesis).
I am thinking too of the 'Frog Lifter' jugs I had put in the window wells some while back. The frog used the jug to rescue itself, although not quite via the motivations and assumptions I had figured by when I put the jug down there, that it would think only of moisture and jump inside to stay moist. Still, it worked:

Is his name Wiley Coyote? Lol.

I'm glad your Frog Lifter jugs worked. It seems like a good way to offer them a constant source of moisture. Many frog species around the world are endangered, and they're such interesting creatures. I hope that they start to have a comeback.

[Clear Blue Sky]

Indeed, why move the cross and leave the busted up black painted jug? Those jugs are normally tied together. To take the one and not the other, and only bite the one hole in it, and drop it just there, and trop off with the wood.... all perfectly natural things that are plausible, but to have circumstances orchestrate just so....


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Well, the frog lifter jug worked, sort of. I found the frog using it.... on TOP of the jug, looking upward. When I bent over the lifted the jug out of the window well, it never moved. So it worked, but not the way I thought. It didn't jump inside for the moisture, but still used the jug for its direct purpose. I am reminded of the Planet of the Apes movie where the chimp stacks up boxes to reach a banana, then climbs up them and sits down on the top of the boxes. and when the researchers puzzle she announces speaking for the first time 'because I loathe bananas.' Incidentlaly, on the other side of the house there were a ton of toads that used the jug I put in those window wells. They stuck int he back in the moisture and wouldn't come out for anything, struggled against my hand when I tried to get them out and urinated all over me in the process. Ah well I rescued them too.

The sun is shining on the glass coutner I am typing on. There are thin scratches and cat hairs on it. The scratches are shining a radiant greenish glow, like gem sparkle. the hairs less so.

[Clear Blue Sky]

um.... okay...... so........ I saw the mouse again :/

evidently the coyote dropped it off at the edge of the sand pit, where the sand and the turf of the edge intermingle. The horizon line I guess....

[Clear Blue Sky]

hey, Know the Truth -- thanks for some clarification/degaussing on that ecclesiastes ch 2 or 3 or whatever it was thing.... a big help going through my grandmother's funeral.

I just finished watching "King of Kings" blue-ray DVD with relatives and after the switched it off there was this add so me cable presentation here of that GI Joe movie... going on about 'real people' LOL. the rip cord thing, whatever thread that got too.... then some blurb about 'snakes on a plane' and a killer airline stewardess which is slighty disconcerting as I will be flyng home in another day or so. We're watching Indian Jones and the Temple of Doom now --- gad he looks young! :P

i miss my little iPod nano, sent away on a a recall because some of its brethren set people's pants pockets on fire. But the music lives on, maybe it will be in the mailbox when I return. need to get an iPad or iPhone for navigation it's strange being in a strange area now, atl east I got me an iDad to navigate lol

got another linker here -- frog calls, silence of charlatans who don't want to deprive a young child of hope, even though the hope is leaning on faith in bogus snakeoil powder. sake of hope. so inter-tangled, hope, faith, belief..... hope is the one that pours out until we say when? or is it all of those three?

[SevenBright]

I have had a number of psycho-symbolic synchornistic things happening in my life, they tend to cluster toward Christ. One peculiarity has to do with random opening of bibles and reading passages. Quite a few times now I have done this twice in sequence and gotten the same pairing of these two passages. It seems as if they are intended to be fit together or resonate off each other somehow.... puzzled how the pieces fit.

passage 1: 2Romans21-23: For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal men and birds and animals and reptiles.

passage 2: from Acts 10. .... Peter "saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, 'Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.' 'Surely not, Lord!' Peter replied. 'I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.' The voice spoke to him a second time: 'Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.'".

I get a balance message.

First, its better not to love anything more than God. And second, its better not to see anything as less than God.

I can apply this to areas I'd like to grow in.. If I had to choose between my televisions survival and someone I really disliked, I might stop to consider for half a second. My tv isn't amazing- it helps keep me sane, but still not cool. While I see both the man and the tv as 'God' sometimes His priorities are not something I feel like respecting.

Then, I am working on judgement. Growing up in Jersey the dirtiest, most impure thing I can think of are all those pollution factories. I got a smackdown from the second message.. like God said to me, "Don't question me biatch, they're there for a reason. I don't need to explain myself to you. If I want you to grow up toxic with unidentifiable swamp animals, you will. And if you continue to question the purity of any of my creations wait and see where I send you next time."

[Clear Blue Sky]

hahaha... well, turned out on the trip home there were "snakes on a plane" Well, the patches of the paramedics that came on board to assist/assess one of the passengers after we disembarked. I guess that was a good thing, though not, though is... the passenger walked off the plane so I think they will be allright.

7Bright: hmmm... one way to look at it. perhaps the spaghetti frog will one day walk upon the earth in truest form?