is not my opinion i never think new age is luciferian and i'am very liberal minds i post just the video
is not my opinion i never think new age is luciferian and i'am very liberal minds i post just the video
So what. The fear of lucifer is a Christian fear therefore it is not based on truth. In my opinion the three main religions are all satanic religions for they lie and controll the masses. The occult and Lucerferian teachings are about light and truth. This idea of good vs bad is a means to control. Both sides have agendas.
h0bby1 (01-21-2012)
For me is not a prob for numerous reason i'am christian catahare gnostic but i never imagined lucifer like a demon but just like a falleen angel a symbole of the intelligence lost in the matter sad and not happy and for whats lucifer adama to is symbolic to the reject by the so called jehova ,the occult is not diabolic because occultisme in french or occult comes from the Latin word occultus (clandestine, hidden, secret), referring to "knowledge of the hidden" and secret is not necassary evil
after for me is not existe good vs bad but just different ego and perceptions of life with numerous sentiments and i think is religious reference is based on myths and legends
changed over the millennia by the history and geography are different civilization was born, grew up and fail and the catholic Christianity haves know everal Ecunumécal Coucils and the cult of Mitra extensively modified primitive Christianity directly dissident cult of judaisme
besides the religious overtones, i do believe there are some aspects of "new age" that are steeped in deception. that's why it's way more important to develop an inner voice you trust and develop yourself, more than it is take heed of rules or regulated spirituality by blind faith. even witches or new agers or animists can fall prey personally and spiritually from those things, obviously organized religions too.
"We do not err because the truth is difficult to see. It is visible at a glance. We err because this is more comfortable." - Alexander Solzhenitsyn
("no step too high for a stepper." -dad)
The way I see it is that New Age is information. Information is Light. Light and Time are 4th dimensional energies. The 4th Dimension is the Dimension of the Light = Lucifer
The 5th Dimensional is the heart. The Christ dimension. Without the Lucifer dimension you can't acces the Christ Dimension
Last edited by bron020; 12-08-2011 at 12:54 PM.
My question for the people who don't believe in Lucifer - - even if you don't believe that, do you believe that there is something more going on behind the "new age consciousness" movement???
The issue isn't belief. The real issue is whether or not people CHOOSE to wake up to the reality of what is happening in the world. Some people, regardless of their beliefs, choose to stay nice and comfy in their "all is light" boxed-in mindset.
They then adamantly deny any other information presented that might "threaten" that mindset. They tie on the blindfold and like it that way.
This video, in my opinion, was spot on. This guy described it perfectly when he said that people are looking to "feel good in the moment." They don't want to think that one day soon all of the crap will hit the fan. They'd rather only embrace the bright side of their beliefs and not acknowledge that there are shadows.
edit - - And this goes for people from ALL belief systems (or non-systems).
I've said it before - - there's something not right with this so-called "new age movement."
Last edited by Know the Truth; 12-09-2011 at 05:19 AM.
Visioneer (01-22-2012)
so many boxes to choose fromOriginally Posted by Know the Truth
all light and love can be a boxed in mindset, true, but so can ANY mindset that states "this is the way things are."
“What if you slept? And what if, in your sleep, you went to heaven and there plucked a strange and beautiful flower? And what if,when you awoke,you had the flower in your hand? Ah, what then?”
― Samuel Taylor Coleridge
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me too have a question
And she is talking about so-called Lucifer but on a certain logic, why do you think people wake up? thought for a second that people be happy in the system.
Maybe some people like the materialistic lifestyle and favorite sport, the cinema, the lottery and consumption, rational values and way of life or we get tired to think, but we let the elites decide for us. ..
I am sorry for this question seemingly cynical but it helps the debate and I love playing devil's advocate
Last edited by baron de rochefort; 12-09-2011 at 06:34 AM.
True. And that's why it's important to use boxes as guidelines, if one so chooses, but to go beyond them when looking at any issue. Many people, it seems, refuse to do this or are afraid to do this.
seems to me, most of this "new-age" stuff can be found in the Vedas...
chakras, transcendence, reiki, astrology, tarot, gems and precious metals, meditation, the yoga sutras, the discovers and charmers of kundalini energy, karma, dharma, past-life insight etc etc.
Shiva would be a good representative, then there is Shiva+Shakti.
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h0bby1 (01-23-2012)
Many get comfortable with what the system provides for them. I guess we can all be guilty of this to some extent. It's so much easier to enjoy material comforts and lose ourselves in sports, cinema, the lottery, mass consumption and "rational" way of life.
I'm not saying that some of these things, in moderation, can't be good. The problem is that many people have made this their entire reality - - with nothing beyond it. The very elites they complain about and claim to be "rebelling" against, are the ones who are running their lives.
When we don't look beyond the surface, but merely accept what our interpretation of something is, we run the risk of having the wool pulled over our eyes. Some people don't want to look. They don't want to understand what's really going on because it's more comfortable to stick to their preconceived notions and their creature comforts.
The elite know this - - and DEPEND on this. They form the way they want people to view themselves, and in turn, view others. It then becomes a self-sustaining system.
The problem with the New Age Movement isn't about the beliefs themselves so much as it is the reasons this movement was constructed. The NAM isn't the same as new age beliefs - - many of which have existed for millenia.
The NAM is a social/political movement that has taken a bunch of beliefs from various religions, cultures, and sources of spiritual and esoteric information, and blended them into this very odd paradigm with motivations that run much deeper than what they seem to be. There is a ton of disinformation put out by this movement.
I talked more about this in my blog on this site. It's something that I hope more people start to realize and investigate for themselves.
What I find interesting is that those who tend to step outside of the boundaries of a given boxed belief usually get "reboxed" in a slightly larger box that encompases their new paradigms, but which is really just a larger version of the original box with different beliefs and entities taking the place of those that were left behind.
this reboxing can either be something that they do for themselves (replacing old gods and belief systems with new ones) or something that is done by those who don't understand what it is that they are doing.
I've seen plenty of 'spiritual eclectics' (those who follow their own brand of spirituality and belief system) labeled as "new age" or some such by those who don't understand what it is that they are doing and who believe that anything that does not fit into a traditional religious description must, by definition, be considered to be "new age."
“What if you slept? And what if, in your sleep, you went to heaven and there plucked a strange and beautiful flower? And what if,when you awoke,you had the flower in your hand? Ah, what then?”
― Samuel Taylor Coleridge
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AmentiHall (01-21-2012), Ayin444 (02-11-2012), Yann (12-09-2011)
And me i no understand the subtility between New Age and Next Age
There is always a "box." Reboxing isn't necessarily bad - - it just depends which box that person is stepping into. If it's a box manufactured by a movement with an ulterior motive, which involves social/political conditioning under the guise of "spirituality" - - well, that's a BIG red flag that it's probably not a box one would seek to be in.
It has nothing to do with spiritual eclectisism and who does or does not follow those beliefs. It has to do with the way a particular movement conditions people with a paricular belief set to behave.
Isn't that what many people's criticism of religion is about? Many run away from that, but their eyes are focused on the trap they are running from and not the other trap they are falling into.
Religion is not the problem. Sprituality is not the problem. The problem is the systems that are set up to trap people, under the guise of "freedom" from dogma. The NAM is dogma, any way one slices it.
They basically mean the same thing. The terms are often used interchangeably.
Because it would be just terrible if humanity set aside its differences and started cooperating. Terrible.This New Age movement is all promotion and push for a one-world way of doing things."
Ohoho, he should see the gnostics.If the term "One World Government" is not clue enough as to when they say "one is all and all is one," if that's not clue enough to where we're headed then I don't know what to tell you because from what I'm looking into, all these things that we have to partake of are contaminated versions and mishing and mashing with um... they've done away with the basically true - I mean the true Christ-way of doing stuff. They've perverted it entirely, okay?
Considering that the Gospels were written decades after Jesus's death and we have no real way to know how much is fact, how much was distorted, and how much was elaborated, we're going to be looking for a very, very long time.From what I'm seeing now, the person we really want to be looking to is the real Jesus, trying to find out who that man was, the role he plays in our lives, how to pray properly, because once you start seeing this, there's no going back.
Are we talking about the people exposing the fact that many New Age leaders are money-grubbing attention whores, or are we talking about the people attacking nonexistent boogeymen?And you're going to start to realize that the people who are not involve with the whole consciousness/New Age Movement, the ones who are exposing it for what it is are the ones who are going to be deemed as disinformation agents.
...Truthers? The people who insist 9/11 was an inside jobby-job?The real disinformants are the ones calling themselves Truthers. The real disinformants are the people who are working for the people who are pushing this agenda.
I imagine they have the same frustration with him.And just from trying to talk to some people I used to talk to involved in this New Age consciousness stuff cannot even begin to hear or see what I'm talking about because they're so far gone into it.
So, finding happiness only counts if you find this guy's religion?I hope this is making sense to people, I really really do. I'm telling you, man, the ones who are saying this are the ones who are being ridiculed and torn down because it's true. It's true man, it's true, and I can see it as plain as day. What can I see as plain as day? Just the amount of people buying into this because the consciousness thing, the new age thing, everybody's... oh, man, it's like everybody wants to feel good for the moment. Everybody wants something that will take away their pain and their sorrow. To me, what's taking away my pain and sorrow is my realization, my reality checks. I'm finally starting to feel at peace through realizing this stuff. All right?
Aside from the fact that most witches and wizards aren't into casting curses, if he believes his god is superior then what's he worrying about?I've come down to the line where all these people who are practicing this stuff, they're pretty much becoming like minor witches and wizards. Do you think I want to deal with people who might try and possibly put hexes and spells on me?
Oh, great. Another dingleberry who thinks witches and wizards have nothing better to do than cast curses for funsies.Because they think they know what they're doing or they think it's a cool thing to do?
The War on Christmas = people getting butthurt because stores aren't selling poorly-made goods assembled by workers who might as well be slaves in the name of Jesus.
Ayin444 (02-11-2012)
i find that
10. Some of your books refer in a critical manner to the “new age,” and so does your CI website. Can you define this “new age” any further?
The so-called new age is a hybrid phenomenon that commenced during the late 1960s in the wake of the hippy boom in America. However, there were earlier references to a “new age” that were assimilated by this conglomerate trend, e.g., Alice Bailey’s Arcane School jargon. The younger generation at that time (late 1960s) became interested in occultism and Eastern religions, but much of this was a passing fad with convincing research being noticeably absent. Bits and pieces like Jung and ecology were added to the mix, which became increasingly commercial and promoted by various “alternative” bodies, notably the Esalen Institute of California.
Many entrepreneurs moved in for the pickings, including the notorious Indian guru Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (1931-1990), whose ashram at Poona attracted many young Westerners who found varying degrees of euphoria and disillusionment in the “therapy” and “liberation” fare provided. Even permissive Esalen concluded (too late) that the Rajneesh scenario was out of control, a matter confirmed by subsequent events in Oregon where terrorist activities emerged within the Rajneesh sect during the 1980s (see no. 24 below).
It is important to understand that Rajneesh could never have gained support without the uncritical beliefs of the Western neo-hippies in alternative therapy, hedonism, and Eastern religion. Rajneesh claimed to be an expert on various Eastern mystical traditions, interposed lewd jokes in his discourses, resorted to cued laughter for effect, and relied upon the sensual tendencies of his audience to keep them in thrall. The Indian intelligentsia were easily able to point out his deviations, but the Esalen bandwagon was so easily deceived. The aberration became known as Rajneesh NeoTantra, as distinct from traditional forms of Hinduism.
l to r: Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, Eileen Caddy
A major haven for Esalen style commercial “workshops,” Rajneesh NeoTantra, and dubious “neoshamanism” was the Findhorn Foundation, situated in Moray, Scotland. The figurehead of this organisation was Eileen Caddy (1917-2006), who has the reputation of turning a blind eye to internal discrepancies. See the account at http://www.citizeninitiative.com/the...foundation.htm. The Findhorn Foundation bookshop and annual programme attested many doubtful trends which were sold to visitors in one form or another. The new age “anything goes” is far less sophisticated than converts are led to think. It is not a symptom of wisdom to promote serious commercial drawbacks along with a subject like ecology, which started life in the Findhorn Foundation as a fairly nebulous factor based largely on hearsay.
Ecology became a tool for expansion in the 90s at the Findhorn Foundation, which gained NGO status even while covering up economic mismanagement. An erring management team was obliged to resign at this period. The Foundation management teams of the 1990s became increasingly commercial in operation, demonstrating capitalist principles that were no different to those existing in the old age. Economic consultants like Alex Walker favoured the privatisation of communal assets, and a massive debt was concealed for years until 2001. The interminable “workshops” continued as a basic source of revenue, charging exorbitant amounts for misleading activities. The absence of due critical acumen in the new age is remarkable.
At the Findhorn Foundation there was much talk of sustainability. That appropriation from ecology was here used as a commercial “workshop” motto in the face of severe debt. The medium for UNESCO approval is said to have been the simplifying Holistic University of Brazil (founded by Pierre Weil); the syllabus of this project is rather different to that of other Universities throughout the globe, entertaining deceptions far more readily. In 2006 the UN branch known as UNITAR endorsed the Findhorn Foundation project in sustainability, which now became known as CIFAL Findhorn. That is merely one facet of the Findhorn Foundation. Everything else continued just as before, the fad of relativism being acute. Thus ecology exists alongside alternative therapy, neoshamanism, magic, Rajneesh NeoTantra, or whatever else is being sold to misled consumers. There were critics of this phenomenon, but they were obscured by the myopia of the UN bureaucracy, which continues to ignore relevant communications sent to them. See further my entry
link http://www.kevinrdshepherd.net/html/...e_new_age.html
h0bby1 (01-23-2012), Know the Truth (12-09-2011)
Some things this guy said in his video, I don't agree with entirely, but as I said in my previous post, it is still spot on. I think he spoke the truth about many things.
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The New Age Movement is what you have said in this quote - - a movement constructed by "money-grubbing attention whores." Best way to put it.
So that said, why do people want to close their eyes to that?
edit - - I don't care what religion a person follows or doesn't follow - - how can they not see that the New Age Movement is a social scam and another way of grabbing money and fulfilling an agenda by those in power?
Last edited by Know the Truth; 12-09-2011 at 07:48 AM.
I think we're talking about two different things here.
You are talking about the New Age Movement as if it is a dogmatic religion with one way of viewing things. From my perspective (and from what I've seen) the New Age Movement is more of a catch-all for those religions and beliefs that do not have a "proper box."
that does not, of course, mean that the powers that be have not or will not attempt to use it for their own purposes. ANY belief system that shows the least amount of staying power tends to fall into their hands eventually.
Perhaps it would be of use if you could post YOUR definition of New Age dogma?
“What if you slept? And what if, in your sleep, you went to heaven and there plucked a strange and beautiful flower? And what if,when you awoke,you had the flower in your hand? Ah, what then?”
― Samuel Taylor Coleridge
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