Ascension 2012 Discussion Thread :)

[LucidDreams]

I know there are far more to things than meet the eye, and that so-called rational logic/science can explain. I know because I've had experience that leave me with no other conclusion. Such experiences have brought me to places like this, looking for people who've shared them, to talk about it. And I know there are people with special abilities the masses lack. But I don't agree with hardly any of the details as to why/how presented by new ages philosophies. I honestly don't subscribe to any of it (ascension, ect...). And I've stopped caring so much about the why's, and how's. The deeper you look into it, the more bad information you get, and end up going down the wrong road. My best guess is that some family trees evolved more rapidly than others. They can use more of their brain than the next guy. And I don't think it necessarily runs in the family. Random mutation can cause a special child to be born from a family of dimwits. Evolution & mutation. I don't expect anyone to ascend, reach any higher state of consciousness/dimension, or anything like that. Or perhaps said dimwits will be the ones that go through the change, and we'll be the ones that won't recognize anything because we're already there? Then maybe we'd have something here...

[OnceMorewithFeeling]

Grounded Gifts, but not to smooth, it's nice feeling with intensity again, just didn't know why.

[Grounded Gifts]

Everyone expressing a "piece" of the Whole while simultaneously Being the Whole. I "See" this whole process of manifestation stretching out into endless infinities, into endless galaxies, into endless universes - and yet also Knowing that nothing happens - it is all in the Mind of God, the One God Who Is All remains ever and Eternally Still, Silent, UnchangeablyPerfect.

These words remind me of the Beacons of Light newsletters, which often talk of each of us carrying his or her own unique piece of the puzzle.

[Terra]

Are all the older monks and yogi's and such in the world all gonna start becoming incredibly powerful?

[Grounded Gifts]

A Moment Divine by pebble

http://indigosociety.com/showthread....-Moment-Divine

For just a moment can you forget everything and remember only your divinity?
Can you feel the Divine Spark within, that is within all that is?

You were not assigned to the mineral or primal animal kingdom...you were so beautiful in your Divinity that you were sent here as the animal closest to the Highest Divine Flame and originator of all...in the last hours you were entrusted with the world.

Look around you, everyone you see is a Spark of the same Flame no matter what they call it. Can you honor their Divinity without seeing eye to eye? Can you allow that spark to ignite within you, to burn down walls and defenses that life experiences have seemingly made necessary?

Can you know that the time of separation is past and if we want that glorious new world then we first have to be glorious in this imperfect world that is even now in it's death throes...can you be alive in a dying world?

Old ways die hard when there is struggle and opposition. True Love is not for the weak or faint of heart...being the Divine you requires strength and fortitude that one questions possession of...*kicks at her shell and basks in a moment Divine*

[Grounded Gifts]

Random mutation can cause a special child to be born from a family of dimwits.

This made me laugh It reminded me that a spiritually-aware person can be born into a family of spectacularly unaware people. It's tough being the odd one out

[LucidDreams]

Indeed. And while I'd hardly label my family as dimwits, I am certainly the odd man out here. I have seen and experienced so many "out of the box" things in my lifetime, I have no choice but to think that way. But when it comes to the answers (how & why it is that way), I believe they are much simpler than the theories I see in here. Simpler even than the symptoms themselves (i.e. evolution/mutation)... things that are scientifically proven. I believe the answers are of a preternatural nature, not supernatural at all.

[Psychic Child]

Sure LucidDreams,
supernatural is how the general "Latent" public calls/sees
Psychic Abilities.
I to believe they are natural, part of all of our DNA,
and our four minds that science is just starting to recogonize.
I was trained as a three year old to control the "abilities".
When I controlled one, I gradually [in a year] controlled them all.
I have taught classes of art students to develop the Remote Viewing
ability and control it in a 50 minute class period. The same was true
in a workshop on RV for over 60 people ages 30 to 80.

We all have it. Most people do use psi-abilities,
but under another name used by society, like talented,
genius or coincidence.

The only thing stopping people from using "their psi-abilities"
is their attitude of belief or disbelief for one reason or
another. Many of us needed a "Person" or "Being" of
authority to give us permission to use these abilities.
[A Guide, Guardian, Angel, or God [him or her or it's self]

It is popular to fool our conscious and sub-conscious minds
into permitting psi-ability practice through Lucid Dreaming.
[after all it is just a dream? It is not real, is it?]
There is evidence that Lucid Dreaming can, and
does, if directed to do so; interact with our 3-D reality.
;-) ;-) ;-)
Be in harmony,
be in beauty.
roger

[EternalNow]

I know there are far more to things than meet the eye, and that so-called rational logic/science can explain. I know because I've had experience that leave me with no other conclusion. Such experiences have brought me to places like this, looking for people who've shared them, to talk about it. And I know there are people with special abilities the masses lack. But I don't agree with hardly any of the details as to why/how presented by new ages philosophies. I honestly don't subscribe to any of it (ascension, ect...). And I've stopped caring so much about the why's, and how's. The deeper you look into it, the more bad information you get, and end up going down the wrong road. My best guess is that some family trees evolved more rapidly than others. They can use more of their brain than the next guy. And I don't think it necessarily runs in the family. Random mutation can cause a special child to be born from a family of dimwits. Evolution & mutation. I don't expect anyone to ascend, reach any higher state of consciousness/dimension, or anything like that. Or perhaps said dimwits will be the ones that go through the change, and we'll be the ones that won't recognize anything because we're already there? Then maybe we'd have something here...

Hi LucidDreams,

I think Solomon, in the Old Testament, said that there is nothing new under the sun, or a thought along those lines. There is a TV series called, "Star Gate Universe" where it was often said, "All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again." All of us on this planet, all of us who participate in this forum, we have all shared all of these experiences before, we have all expressed these same ideas and sentiments to each other "before", and in a certain respect everything has already been said and done. When I read your words above, they are so familiar, they are inside of me in a way, because I have thought this way, in this life, in "other" lifetimes, believing in "Random mutation", "rational logic/science", "new ages philosophies", and all that you mention in your post. And so I feel for other posts, other posters. Been there, done that, ad infinitum.

I believe you are really on the "right" track though when you finally come to the place where you "stopped caring so much about the why's, and how's." There is no Truth greater than the Truth that you are. No guru, no psychic, no guide, no poster, no philosopher or scientist can impart to you a greater Truth than that which already resides within you. Yes, it is often the case that we have to interact with those "others" who seem to be outside of us, who seem to be wiser and know more about us than we know about ourselves - in order to even begin to get this insight of our own Greater Truth. But this is the Real Journey, the delving into our own deepest Depths, through meditation and experience. Ah, my friend, the Depths are limitless, and the Truths within are totally different from what you have ever been told or ever imagined, because these Truths are far Beyond the human pale of understanding. Infinity, Multi-Dimensions, and Eternity can be conceptualized and aluded to by some who have had the insight, but these Realities cannot be grokked by the human level of Awareness. Only Direct Experience can shed Light upon the Ultimate Truth of the God-Self we all are.

So I just felt a prompt within to share this with you and with this community of indigo children and adults. Blessings

[LucidDreams]

[after all it is just a dream? It is not real, is it?] There is evidence that Lucid Dreaming can, and does, if directed to do so; interact with our 3-D reality.

I think we both know better than that. They are every bit as real as this post I'm typing right now, and perhaps more-so. At least, they seem that way to me. And considering just a week ago I read a text message in my dream, then that day received that same text, I'd say the "evidence" is overwhelming. It shows me that just as gravity is meaningless in our dreams, so is time. These so called "laws" contain loopholes. Some day, if we as a species make it far enough, our minds will evolve and find these loopholes... connect those thoughts of the dream state with the waken. Some people are further ahead of that curve than others, and you, Psy Child, seem well ahead of it. I'd love to sit down and have a conversation with you over a cup of our poison of choice, and share experiences. That's why I'm here. But sadly, there seems to be very little of that going on. In it's place, conjecture over new age philosophy. Before these people "ascend" to wherever they're going, I'd love to hear their stories. What experiences drove them to believe what they believe? To take the path they took? Do they believe it's possible that information overload, upon researching the subject matter, drove them down the wrong path(s) at some point? I believe it's in our nature to make things more complicating than they have to be, when the answers are often so obvious... so simple. For example "the meaning of life". Why do we find it so difficult to accept that the answer could be, simply, to live? That these abilities we possess are the result of a highly evolved mind. I guess nobody could write/sell books if they accepted these simple, concise explanations.

[OBEsprite]

These so called "laws" contain loopholes. Some day, if we as a species make it far enough, our minds will evolve and find these loopholes... connect those thoughts of the dream state with the waken.

I'm pretty sure that's what we are trying to do now. We let ourselves incarnate in this lifetime with all the abilities... we just have to let ourselves be aware we have them, in order to exercise them. And it can be more than just what we experience in the dream state.


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[OBEsprite]

http://breatharian.com/ascension.html

Three different ways to ascend according to this website:

"To assume our lightbodies we have three basic options: death and resurrection, simple ascension and empowered ascension."

I found it an interesting read. It also describes, from their interpretation, how we started off on Earth in these lightbodies to begin with, then descended into humanity, and then humanity's evolution back up.

P.S. = I LOVE YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH! MUAH!

[Grounded Gifts]

Are all the older monks and yogi's and such in the world all gonna start becoming incredibly powerful?

Good question. I don't know the answer. I think all of us will become more powerful, but what I mean by that is that we will begin to remember and come to know our own power; our strength and our identity as eternal Light-Beings encased in human bodies.

In spirituality, many people seek power -- power over others. IMHO the greatest and most useful power, however, is power over the self -- or constructive use of one's own power.

Our humanness gets in the way, it holds us back. If we can remember who we were and what we did before we were born into our current lives here on Earth, we will remember our true nature, and we will remember how we used our power in conjunction with the universal power of our Creator.

I think this is what we are being invited to remember, at this stage of human evolution: how to co-create our own reality. Our individual reality, and our collective reality.

We already do it, mostly unconsciously. When we begin to do it with full consciousness and deliberation, we will have to take responsibility for the things we co-create. We will be accountable. It's a little bit frightening, but at the same time it's liberating.

As for monks and yogis, many of them spend considerable amounts of time in prayer / contemplation / ceremony that is offered for the good of humanity. They raise their vibrations and connect with the Divine, while living very basic, grounded lives. It could be said that they are leading the way for all of us, or that their spiritual devotion helps to raise the vibrations of all of us.

[Grounded Gifts]

Do they believe it's possible that information overload, upon researching the subject matter, drove them down the wrong path(s) at some point? I believe it's in our nature to make things more complicating than they have to be ...

I think, in this era of the internet, lots of people seek their spiritual answers from the net, and can get caught in a quest to seek endless amounts of information, without really absorbing and processing it, and without watching their own subsequent life experiences to see which pieces of information hold true for them and which pieces of information are simply incorrect.

Spirituality is actually an experiential thing. It's something we live. There is only so much we can learn from reading and talking. We can intellectualise spirituality until the cows come home, and get nowhere

We need to keep a balance: seek some information (ask our guides to guide us to the best information for us at that time and see where they take us); do some daily spiritual practices of our own; go and live life.

The best information comes from our spirit guides. They might overload us with information, but they will then lead us through life experiences that demonstrate the information clearly for us, so that we learn by experience.

In fact, I find many of the things i discuss on this and other spiritual websites are subsequently mirrored in experiences in my daily life. Did I create those experiences or was I meant to discuss these things and then learn experientially?

One of the simple ways to approach spiritual learning is to simply let go, and go with the flow Anything we don't learn and absorb will soon come back again -- and again, and again-- until we learn it

[bluesmaker]

if i go to mcdonalds too much will i still ascend?
or would i be to heavy for that?

[AngelPsychic444]

You can go to MrDonalds if you want, but do try to add some fruits and vegetables to your diet. Eventually you might have to convert to only fruits and veggies.... so start now, even if it's just a little at a time. Moving slowly to a new diet seem's to work well with most people.

[bluesmaker]

oh... only vegetarians can ascend then...
thanks

[MYSTIKDRAGON]

You can go to MrDonalds if you want, but do try to add some fruits and vegetables to your diet. Eventually you might have to convert to only fruits and veggies.... so start now, even if it's just a little at a time. Moving slowly to a new diet seem's to work well with most people.

He wont..becuz hes given up.

[OBEsprite]

Actually, I have a secret to share with you. You can eat whatever you want. Whatever makes you happy. If you can manifest the feeling of no hunger, or certain food flavors... then you can manifest the idea of certain foods being okay to eat. I have not changed my diet, if anything... I eat more of what I like now (MMMMM STEAK!). My body still heals itself and is still maintaining perfect health. The thing is, if you think it's not good for you, it's not going to be. You have to really believe it's okay to eat it and it will be. It's all about your perception. Create your own reality. Don't be a slave to society. In heaven you can eat whatever you want for joy, why not do the same here? That's what we're trying to do, create heaven on earth. But yeah, if it makes you feel guilty, use moderation, add variety. Hell, add a vitamin water to your meal if you really want that burger or are unsure. Tell yourself they go together perfectly and that you can enjoy that burger guilt free now!

Most of the stuff out there about eating certain foods, is to get people who currently feel guilty about their diet, to do something about it. You bet it's certainly helping a lot of people... but you don't have to step in line... it's helping them because they think it's helping them. That's how this whole thing works.

[LucidDreams]

I think, in this era of the internet, lots of people seek their spiritual answers from the net, and can get caught in a quest to seek endless amounts of information, without really absorbing and processing it, and without watching their own subsequent life experiences to see which pieces of information hold true for them and which pieces of information are simply incorrect.

Agree wholeheartedly. I only felt obligated to add the world "wholeheartedly" because my message was too short otherwise. But yeah, very true words indeed.