Please define "Evil"

[Lion Lady]

How would I describe or explain the entity I call evil? hmm To explain it we'd have to go all the way back to the time of the Nephilim which I won't go into because it's a long subject. Nothing to explain about it really since it is part of the balance of the world. It comes and goes in ppls minds to accomplish certain acts. And to some it comes and never leaves and that is a rare case but does happen, and that's when the entity needs to be exorcised out of the host. Personaly I don't like the act of exorcism, I find it very violent on the host' human body and can inflict physical damage and even death in an attempt to exorcise it out of someone. I find it easier to ease it out of the host by helping the infected individual on performing the task of removing the entity on its own. Much safer that way.
So yes, we are all hosts, and humans aren't the ones to blame.
About "good". Good isn't an entity, it is the natural state of mind of a healthy spirit. A clean spirit. Although, if you believe in the power of the Holy spirit, I would consider the Holy spirit to be an entity of goodness.

I believe that evil is a man made state of mind caused by fear.

[Lion Lady]

Thank you, that's the general direction I was hoping for. It's also the first major step to get out of the mud of daily drama, IMO.

Indeed. In my opinion as well.

[SevenBright]

to me its just a word designed to intimidate people

[Indigo28]

"We are all Jesus"? I resent that statement. I honestly do not believe that Christ would be behaving in the way people on Earth do. It makes no sense that one would allow an evil entity to control them; they just do not know any better. I am sure their as some who would, but few and are likely suffering from mental illness. They take advantage of the host, which is not hard these days. One learns by trial and error. This is not evil it is just the process one takes to understand. Error is not good, but it is not evil. Now, I do agree that one can take care of evil themselves and do not, not because they do not want to, but because they do not understand that they do have control over their own body. As a matter of fact, many look at spiritual as crazy due to the perceptions of current society. Many believe that Indigos are evil due to these perceptions, which also brainwash the thoughts of people turning them away from their natural abilities.

[AmonRa]

Yo. is that "we are all all Jesus?" comes from this thread? must have missed it...
Maybe it means we're all "sons of god" or something, or echoes Jesus' "whatever I can do yoi can too".
I've never heard indigos are evil though

Edit: okay, she said christ consciousness. Nothing to do with the biblical Jesus.

[Lion Lady]

it was me, I was the one who said it lol... I said christ consciousness... It is all within... go within. He is not the only one who can do what he did, sorry to say but nobody is more important than anyone. =) We are not all walking around looking like jesus, but yes we have all the skills he had/has... If you don't believe it to be true, you are probably limiting yourself. Everyone can do healings, eveyone can do alchemy, everyone can do what Jesus did, he is not your savior. You are your savior. You can play the waiting game or you can do something with yourself. It is all your choice. you know?

[Lion Lady]

nobody is evil, nothing is evil. It is a state of mind that you choose to put yourself in that is man made, based on fear, and fear is a man made state of mind made from man that you don't even have to be a part of

[AmonRa]

And the biggest fear is the fear to lose the control you think you have.

[MYSTIKDRAGON]

"Evil" is based upon perception what we "think" it is.. but is it thing that is known? Not all things that are seen can be described the same way..

[MYSTIKDRAGON]

And the biggest fear is the fear to lose the control you think you have.

Like attachment?

[Indigo28]

I apologize as well as I am not sure exactly how my messages posted to your tread, expect I am new to this and much clicked the wrong apply button. I was replies to one that said "we are all Jesus", which I believe that the post Lion lady replied to with this tread? I also believe in the Christ consciousness, he can be found within, but I do not believe the people, we, are him.

[Indigo28]

Actually yes it was this tread looking back on page 2 and it was Lion Lady who said "we are all Jesus". I believe in the Christ consciousness, but to say we are all Jesus is extreme. Choice of words is important. Just saying.

[Visioneer]

And the biggest fear is the fear to lose the control you think you have.

Imo the biggest fear in ones mind is the fear of death. The fear of loosing our lives or seeing someone in our family die.
Fear is needed in the world in order to keep an order on Earth. Without fear, ppl would be jumping off bridges, breaking the law etc. So does Evil create fear? Imo yes, it does, and as I mentioned earlier it is needed to keep balance on this mortal planet.
I would consider the act of breaking the law, such as killing someone, an (evil--> label) act. So evil to me is also considered as a way to create morals in the human mind. If the world was 100% good and fear didn't exist; there wouldn't be any fear of death. And if the world was 100% evil than fear would not be existent either, and the fear of death wouldn't exist either.
So why is evil and good needed? Basically to be able to appreciate our "mortal" lives. And that is one of the reasons why the human race was created, to learn about mortality...

[AmonRa]

Like attachment?

like the fear of losing what you own, yes. Or what you think you own. I think most fears (beyond of course the fear of Pain and Death) spring from lack, or the idea that losing something will create lack.
Most people who commit crime on this planet do it for cash, or out of anger, but the anger usually stems from lack of something, or lost of something (respect, pride, girlfriend, job, material possessions, health, trust, whatever)

I'm not sure I agree with Visioneer that fear is "needed" to keep order, because it implies two things on earth:
1) that humans are useless without fear, and unable to behave without the proverbial "stick" (which is IMO a thoroughly negative and pretty much hopeless view of humanity)
and
2) that without Fear we will never be able to build a decent society on Earth (which is also kind of killing the fun and very French Romantic writers for me)

I think the difference of opinions lies in the origin of those fears Visioneer considers are a tool for order.
I believe we are USED to being controlled by Fears, as a society, but only because it got engineered that way.
It surely is an efficient tool, and a very easy one since it can be applied in various ways using physical strenght and physical superiority (both in power and numbers) It's basically how the male aspect rules over the female one.
But I do not believe it is "necessary". Of course, to remove it, you need to decondition people first, and that can't be done suddenly. So yes, if you remove the fear of prison, pain, death and retribution in general, it will be chaos.
But as usual, doing so suddenly and not gradually would just be an extreme act, and we all know extremes are never good for anyone. But yeah, THIS is a projected reality in which we experience things, both good and bad, blissful and painful, depending on what course we have chosen, so of course Fears and Control are parts of the scenario.

Everything is multi-faceted... you can subscribe to NWO concepts, and bloodlines, and bad E.T.s changing people's DNA and feeding off our fears and wishing to keep us enslaved. But the universe and realities are such that whatever scenario you are experiencing doesn't exclude the concept (or for me the truth) that it IS a scenario, that everybody chooses his/her own scenario before birth, and that whatever happens in your life is to some degree planned and wished for at a higher level. The difference between now and 200 (or 2000) years ago, is that in the Times we in live in at the moment, we are being allowed, and encouraged, to wake up and see the system for what it is. Because if you're not seeing the system, you go on living based on virtual perceptions provided by the illusionary matrix you have designed for yourself.

These are dual times... we are expected to live our lives, accomplish our missions, and gradually wake up and have a similar effect on people around us. It's complicated, and everybody not only has a different basic toolset, but also different degrees of awareness or wakefulness, which makes it very hard to agree transdimensionally.
Because if I see evil as selfishness, but you see evil as an entity, or doing physical damage to someone, we obviously live in different dimensions all at once. The wonderful thing nowadays, is that this is becoming obvious as MANY dimensions rebound of each other. 500 years ago, you had the main dimension/point of view, and advanced guys who would sound like lunatics and would end up BBQed on the village square.

The biggest point for me, is to try and accept the duality (or multiplicity) of existence, so that you don't get lost in the illusion of modern society. You are not slaves, or prisonners, beyond the scenario that says you are. It's just that, a scenario. A brilliant one too.

Visioneer, when you say "to learn about mortality"... that's a pretty easy theme IMO...
get incarnate, die a few times around, and you have enough incarnational data about being mortal, even if you go deeper into what it means to live as a mortal compared with as an immortal (a theme very well explored by Heroic Fantasy literature with Elven culture) Being alive here is about experiencing everything you like, including pain and suffering.
If the world was 100% evil, fear would still be there... there would just be more understanding of its mechanism... there would be more order, more organized hierarchy,
but everybody would live in fear of what your superior can do to you for fun, and what your subordinates can do to you to gain your position.
Fear of death is a biological motivator... in an 100% evil settings, most people who thrive would just be tougher, and probably don't care about dying, but it doesn't mean everbody would be tough enough. You can be totally evil and very very weak and cowardly.
Cowards fear death, imo.

Also, consider a parent telling off their kids for whatever reason. The kids get terrified by the idea that their parents might not like them anymore, like teenagers sometimes get terrified by the idea to lose their parents' respect and trust.
Does that make the parents evil? I don't think so. Yet, they inspire, and use Fear as a controlling/educational tool.

I personally think that in a startrek-ish scenario where people can get whatever they want because technology provides for everything (including plastic surgery, extended life expectancy, free travel, synthetic materialization of whatever goods you may want, including stuff that used to be vintage or in limited edition), most fears will disappear.
The fear of pain will remain, but that's an animal level survival instincts. We couldn't survive without a pain system to protect our physical integrity.
And the fear of death is based on ignorance.

of course I only speak for myself

[Visioneer]

You are right about that one: "you go on living based on virtual perceptions provided by the illusionary matrix"
And about other things you mentioned. Everyone has their own truth set in their minds, some have the same and some don't. I believe we both have pieces of truth and at the same time a different view of the whole.
Anyways, speculations, opinions, life experiences etc.. we could go on forever...

[AmonRa]

You are right about that one: "you go on living based on virtual perceptions provided by the illusionary matrix"
And about other things you mentioned. Everyone has their own truth set in their minds, some have the same and some don't. I believe we both have pieces of truth and at the same time a different view of the whole.
Anyways, speculations, opinions, life experiences etc.. we could go on forever...

indeed we should get paid to go on forever LOL

[h0bby1]

for me evil more has to do with mindlessness, zombiesness, apathy, lack of reflexion on self, the whole logic of seperating moral reflexion from behavior and just following the flow mindlessly, historically, all the greatest evil has more been created by this kind of mentality than by direct impulsive reaction to anger or fear, cold hearthed sociopath are a much greater evil than emotionally driven behavior

if you consider what is to be termed an evil action, it would be more deprivating someone of food or of material confort, anything that goes along those line or encouraging this state of lack in a non empathic non emotional robotic way is more what is the real evil, more than natural needs

[h0bby1]

the me me me is ok, that's the goal of life to sustain itself, a person who say the opposite, who want to break the mememe or the otherotherother are the one who are the true evil, the very principle of being diabolic is exactly this, rejecting part of the person as being good, wherease they are totally natural part of yourself, ppl who become sociopath is precisly because they reject their emotionality and some part of themselve and thus become disconected from their whole self, and thus become evil, lack of emotion, lack of fear and all this is what lead to evil and mindlessness

rationalisnim is basically just a sort of reverse engineering of the emotions, if you remove your emotions, or don't pay attention to them, it is there you become a sociopath evil zombie

[Lady Neptune]

evil is pure hate-- feels fantastic.
no remorse, no empathy....

[h0bby1]

evil is pure hate-- feels fantastic.
no remorse, no empathy....

no evil is not even hate, hate is ok, how are you supposed to build any sense of moral if you don't feel the hate of something at first ?


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actually i tend to really see all those stuff of anger and hate and all this more like when the cat puff up his hair to look scary, in the bottom line, it is more to avoid a conflict by intiminadation rather than really directly leading to violent behavior, truly violent behavior are like orange mecanics, pure sociopathy, rarely driven directly by anger or emotions