when you ignore the problem stemming from people need, you get a backslah from it at some point, it is there that you enter the mecanism of repression/suppression, and activity, hence the good king is the one who don't need do to anythingOriginally Posted by Magnus
That is a fantastic idea. But it is not rooted in reality. It is not realistic to build animal shelters to house all the strays either.
It is Fantastica! Tres Bien!
Not exalting the gifted prevents quarreling.
Not collecting treasures prevents stealing.
Not seeing desirable things prevents confusion of the heart.
The wise therefore rule by emptying hearts and stuffing bellies, by weakening ambitions and strengthening bones.
If men lack knowledge and desire, then clever people will not try to interfere.
If nothing is done, then all will be well.
ho well realism
but acting toward the common good for all would try to go into that direction none the less
I thought we were talking about individuals taking action for themselves and doing what they believe they must do. I do not suggest to kill anyone or have anyone suffer. I'm just saying that these things become complex in actuality. In theory it is right to house everyone and provide for everyone. In reality, people like to over consume.
We can't force people to change their ways. I made some bad choices and I do my best to get out of it, but it's complex. You can't blame that on the leader if the people are like that. People steal and lie and cheat all the time. It takes effort to not be that way.
yes that is complex, ppl have desire, and needs, and fullfilling those desire and need is complex, hense the need for widsom
but requiring other to care about you, and calling them selfish otherwise, it uttermost hypocrisy lol
or ignorant/unaware/uneducated. Which is I believe why some people say ignorance is a sin.
mmm. I don't agree... some people and animals are broken beyond repair, whether you provide for them or not.
Some of my friends are destructive, and/or self-destructive, period. They don't even have or had any really bad abuse or event in their young(er) life that might remotely start to justify their overall behavior and way of thinking.
They're just fucked up. And I know their families and parents, and there really was nothing there to generate such mess.
Sometimes aggressive animals are just too far beyond the threshold.
Now we could argue that they were rescuable before reaching that threshold, but it's speculation.
ignorance is a sin is from satanic bible, but in french there is the word 'malin', which i think has lot of connotation with this sort of saying
well it is not more speculation than saying that they can't be fixed
with this kind of mentality we would still be a cave saying we can't go outside and can't master fire lol
and yes it is idealistic and utopist, which is the very thing that has invented republics
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that's not evil, just retribution. Plus it fits the moral values of the times (protect family, eye for an eye, the right to own guns,...)i agree with you again,
usually someone killed people for his/her own good and his/her family or nation that he/she is belong to.
all of the people in the world are selfish, it's bullshit if there are people who claim that they're not selfish.
i definitely will kill a guy who try to rape me.
and i'll kill people that being bad to me, my family, my friends, and my country.
if other nation invade my country, i'd love to be a soldier in the war to defend my country.
yes, that's evil, but it's good in my point of view
It gets messier if you try to go against it: people want to kill or hurt your family, are you GOOD if you choose not to stop them? Are you being good by not killiing someone who rapes your sister?
Of course not. But are you good by killing that guy? No... you're not.
He's definitely evil, but that doesn't affect what YOU are in the equation. You make a choice, and you live with it, period.
Same goes with the invasion of your country. You can shoot or get shot, or worse, let someone else get shot because you didn't shoot.
Same goes with pity and mercy towards the ennemy: let him live (because you wanna be good), and get shot in the back, or when he comes back with his friends later.
THIS is exactly why it is important (if you're into spirituality) to awaken to the concept of Reality as an incarnational experience, that YOU choose before birth, and therefor makes you responsible of everything that happens.
Because in my life, neither buddhism, kharmic retribution, asian wisdom or judeo-christian BS gave me a single shard of hope to one day make sense of why good people get cancer and pieces of trash live in Beverly Hills.
Especially when Buddhism tells you that when someone rapes your sister, you shouldn't get angry, or hate him, because that would be allowing your emotions to rule you, and the world is just a temporary illusion.
Why yes, but it works only with the concept of Responsibility. To me, that's the key to freedom.
Virgo says, ignorance is bliss.
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"EVIL" is "LIVE" written backwards.
I think that pretty much defines it.
If there are no opposites, the world of illusion as we perceive it, may cease to exist.
We live on earth in the world of Ying and Yang. The world of opposites.
Where there is a Ying, there is a Yang.
Black exists in contrast to white, and vice versa.
No student - No teacher
If there is no bad, there is no good.
... and so on ...
If there are no opposites, the world of illusion as we know it, may cease to exist.
If eviL is the opposite of livE - than - does that mean, without Evil, Live as we know it would stop too?
What do you think?
Last edited by OneSource; 03-16-2012 at 07:21 AM.
You will become what you do now. Now is the time.
not sure whether you're being sarcastic or not here.well it is not more speculation than saying that they can't be fixed
I'm for euthanasia, simply because 1)when it's too much, it's too much. And 2)people should be sovereign.
speculation yes, but if you play that game, then I will say I tried to help 100 aggressive people but I failed, and so I consider it to be impossible, and so you can respond by saying that I should have tried 900 more before drawing a conclusion. The thing is, speculation of not, as Magnus said, you can't go around building shelters or trying to save aggressive people, because that requires Time, Money, and people wishing to devote their lives to do so.
Unless there is a decently fast and obvious successful result, nobody will finance it, volunteer or stay motivated.
Look at those morons in Thailand, where they scooped up all the stray dogs, locked them up in the North in giant shelters, didn't think about contraception, and ended up with a baby-boom and no solution to it.
I do hear you on Realism though... I've been pretty much a logical person all my life, leading away with Realism and common sense, while everybody around me (indigo at the forefront...) were doing stuff that never fit my paradigm... like traveling for free, never getting into real trouble, getting cash out of thin air and getting laid by top models while looking and smelling like a hobo...
realism never helped me much lol
Speaking about living in caves... have you seen that chart showing how many hours cavemen needed for food and shelter, and how much fun they must have had playing with kids and humping their wives, compared with how much hours a week WE must work to just earn enough to survive nowadays?
are you sure we really got out of the symbolic cave?
it is not the matter of if euthanasia should be allowed or not for moral reason, but that's not medicine, that's not the job of a physician or a health scientist period, then it become sociology or other, but that's not what physician job is about
and knowledge is not about empiricism, that's specially the issue at hand, it is not by experiencing something of the perceptual realm that you gain knowledge about it, and the stuff about you can't and stuff, ok the simplstic solution you propose withing your paradigm show it as impossible, that doesn't mean that are other paradigm that can be worked out that render it possible ^^
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