is kundalini awakening the only way to establish the ultimate connection with the source and gaining enlightenment?
is kundalini awakening the only way to establish the ultimate connection with the source and gaining enlightenment?
Probably not.
It certainly is the way, though.
Is jumping through fiery hoops the only way to know yourself and be conscious?
~No
It may not be the "only" way, but it is certainly the most effective way. It is also the only way that takes into consideration (usually) the need for the mind and body to be prepared before adjustments are made.
That being said - awakening/enlightenment and the raising of kundalini energy go hand in hand. If your Kunalini activates you will wake up. If you wake up by other means, it triggers the kundalini energy.
The biggest problem with NOT activating kundalini and achieving awakening through other means is that, as stated, Kundalini tends to force you to work through issues that you might otherwise sidestep. When activated "spontaneously" (as when you achieve awakening through other means) it tends to activate all at once. The shock of it can be the equivalent of a "bad trip" with the unprepared person withdrawing from all things spiritual to avoid being hit with a shock like that again.
Just something to consider
“What if you slept? And what if, in your sleep, you went to heaven and there plucked a strange and beautiful flower? And what if,when you awoke,you had the flower in your hand? Ah, what then?”
― Samuel Taylor Coleridge
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blissfulheart (03-14-2012), Jishnu Ray Chowdhury (03-13-2012)
You're already connected... Everybody is. You just need meditation to clear the connection (that's daily meditation, at first at least)
Kundalini is about energy, energy pathways and operating at a higher level, both energetically and emotionally.
It's not like switching the connection on, more like going turbo on a sports car. The image also implies that if the driver is not able, problem will ensue.
For those who find kundalini scary or potentially dangerous, it's easy: just use chinese Chikung's micro-cosmic orbit instead
Jishnu Ray Chowdhury (03-13-2012)
@jishnu. Sometimes people need a nudge is all to move along.
Where did you get the notion you were disconnected from source anyway? Why do you need to believe that? Why do you need to listen to people who tell you that?
How much will you spend on weekend seminars to awaken your kundilini? Who will you follow into the abyss in search for enlightenment?
Who said anyone was disconnected from source? There are plenty, however, who are not AWARE of their connection with source - and Kundalini definitely cuts through the "crap" so to speak, and will wake you up to your connection to source with a vengence.Originally Posted by LH919
“What if you slept? And what if, in your sleep, you went to heaven and there plucked a strange and beautiful flower? And what if,when you awoke,you had the flower in your hand? Ah, what then?”
― Samuel Taylor Coleridge
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AmonRa (03-14-2012)
Agreed... Even if it's a phony seminar... The will/desire for reconnection is also strong enough to launch the first ripple.
sshenry (03-14-2012)
Exactly - It all happens in your head anyway. Mind you if the awakening person gets attached to a fake or phony guru type there can be some bumpy spots on the road, but I look at it this way - with real awakening all of the chaff gets burned away, so any fakery will be spotted quickly.
I met an individual once who began their awakening by spending a good deal of money going to hear a modern day guru speak. The dude was only after the money, but even though the concepts were eroneous, the ideas they started in her own mind were not. Within a few months she had dropped the fake guru (having spotted the glaringly obvious fakery) and was pursuing her own truth by listening to their heart.
It really doesn't matter who sows the seed. It doesn't even matter if the wheat and tares (truth and falsehoods) grow up together with their roots intertwined too deeply to pull one up without the other being pulled up as well. What matters is the harvest - when that point of awakening occurs and the person finally sees things exactly the way they are.
“What if you slept? And what if, in your sleep, you went to heaven and there plucked a strange and beautiful flower? And what if,when you awoke,you had the flower in your hand? Ah, what then?”
― Samuel Taylor Coleridge
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blissfulheart (03-14-2012)
About fake gurus, and to give some credit to LH919's position:
Yeah, getting scammed by a fake guru is dangerous (and I typically run away from however asks me for enough cash to make my eyebrow rise) but some people neee to pay certain amounts of cash to feel it's "true" or to give it some tangibility. i've had a bunch of clients who would act all snob and all after being offered free sessions.
free? What am I? A spiritual hobo?
So I would give ask them double the usual fee, and suddenly the session sounds much better to them... Go figure.
The real issue is when people have no clue how to awaken and rely 100% on a guru instead of educating themselves first. You need to have enough data to be able to judge whether a teacher is good enough or spreading BS over thin actual knowledge.
But again, some people need that.
Money is an energetic exchange and it affects the whorl of the spiral.
A fake guru taking your money(energy) to offer you something you have always had can cause damage
to the path, to the individual, to the subtle energies
and as a side note offering your money (energy) to a molestor of the sacred causes further damage to the faker
enabling them in their pathology keeping them further from their own healing
within the spirit their is integrity.
EVERYthing is an energy exchange... Everything is a form of energy... Smiling to someone is an energy exchange, listening to music and hearing the lyrics is an energy exchange... Being sarcastic of people calling themselves ~masters~ (winkwink to the parallel thread) is also an energy exchange. Don't compartmentalize acts and behaviors.
Everything works the same. Some people need to get scammed.. Some people need to pay money... Some people need to call someone "master". it's a part of their version of the path.
My dad had no real father, so he spent his teenage and early twenties follwing martial arts "masters". he eventually grew out of it.
My indigo friend Thomas has an allergy to authority, so even though he expects teachings and tutoring of the highest quality, he'll slit his own throat before calli anyone master. So he keeps getting kicked out for general lack of respect, and learns nothing of what he keeps telling people is his dream job.
For example, here in Japan, if I offer my services for cheap, or for free, and the concept goes against the culture, tradition, or even against the client's sense of value and ego dynamics, they will refuse EVEN if they have no cash to pay my full fee.
So what Should I do? If I want to help them while respecting their wishes, I have to ask for more cash, even though it goes against my common sense. If they insist on calling me "Sensei" even though I don't like it, but they need the formality, should I push through anyway? no... Different people need different things.
Some people need to suffer, some people need to be and stay sick. That's how uniqueness expresses itself throughout the universe.
Last edited by AmonRa; 03-15-2012 at 05:53 AM.
mmmhmmmmmm
Quoting yourself? LoL
lol - pretty much
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but maybe think of "kundalini" as more of a blanket term. firstly because it is, and secondly because it is a term used by a specific culture. kundalini is apart of everyday life, it is a part of every religion - experienced rationalized and explained in that own cultures way. it becomes clear over time its portrayal and 'influence' different places, and so does the realization that where it is less open and relevant, are places and people who feel far more advanced.
you can experience the kundalini in a christian church, practicing voodoo, saying a rosary, meditating, giving birth, jogging, listening to music, many ways...
going and practicing 'Kundalini Yoga', might not be what gets you going, and as so, you stay placed, studying kundalini energy and its process/mechanism, you will be better able to locate the that energy with in you, and maybe recognize how and when the process does become instigated for you, personally.
some people it might take an Irish Jig ;-D Australian DreamTime, a Russian Trepak, Dervish Twirler ?!? the list goes on...
May your Wishes Grow More Few & Far Between ~
Love Light & Laughter !
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Yes
and you are not really laughing out loud
I actually was, but whatever makes you happy, dude.
also useful for this thread
that kundalini is awakened in all
the physical body would not be animated if it were not
you would be physically dead.
if you can come to this forum to type then your kundlini is awake and you need not sell your soul/ invest your energy with charlatans
in exchange for something you already possess.
Dude, I don't know what bad experience you've had with charlatans, but 1) not everybody got scammed, and 2) most people are good, and the charlatans are a minority.
Kundalini is awakened, and chakras are spinning, and Chi is flowing, in all of us. True.
just like animals have chakras too, and everything has Chi, including rocks and inanimate things.
But saying the car's engine is running, and saying the car is driving smoothly on the fastway, with an experienced person behind the wheel, are two very different states.
So yes, it's not like your kundalini and chakras are locked down, but if you feel you need to work on them, not only it's okay, but if you want to do so, it's probably your guts pointing you toward the next step to Growth.
You just keep repeating the word charlatan, but some things require decent teaching, and you can't just "wing it".
If you have a deep impulse to work on your kundalini, tellinf yourself it's already activated, and just sit back down and don't act on your desire, is not a good advice, especially in these quickening times.
So yeah, whoever tells you for 1000$ an hour that your chakras are closed (totally) and that they will open them for you, is a charlatan.
But the world is FULL of good teachers, and most of them are either cheap, or free.
Don't project your negative experience(s) as a generality, thank you.
Is anyone here trying to scame people asking for kundalini advice? no.
Is anyone here asking for cash? No.
And yet, you still go on calling a 4000 year old energy science and art "charlatanism".
Some thing you can learn on your own, some things need books, some things need a teacher.
And npt everyone has the same level of intuitive learning. Some people can sit on their bed and get self-attuned, others have no clue and need someone to do it for them. Some learn to do so after they build confidence.
Now if you pay thousands of bucks for something you could pick up in a 5$ book, you're either dumb, too lazy to use google, OR... Or... Wait for it.... Or... That's actuallly the experience you need to get the most out of it.
Everything goes in the universe dude... We're all unique expressions on our unique personal path.
Don't be so cynical all the time.
I understand you want to keep people away from crooks, that's a good, but if 25 people come to you and ask about kundalini, and you tell they already have it and so they don't need to do shit... You're helping noone. You're just not only stopping their momentum, but for the only result of... Doing nothing.
Sure, some people have spontaneous kundalini flares, but those are a minority.
If you say you want to learn how to paint like davinci, and I tell you don't go to any art school cause you already have eyes, brushes, paint and canvas... Does it mean you can paint? No...
Balance dude, balance. Never extremes.
Last edited by AmonRa; 03-18-2012 at 08:14 AM.
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