is the spiritual side of life turning the other cheek and being all obedient and loving ?just to show it is not off tengeant
cause for me searching for you own truth, i don't call this necessarily spiritual
is the spiritual side of life turning the other cheek and being all obedient and loving ?
cause for me searching for you own truth, i don't call this necessarily spiritual
The answer to that is different depending on what you believe, I tend to think that if you treat people the way you would like to be treated then you should be ok, but as to turning the other cheek hmm perhaps but who has infinite patience doesn't that just teach a person to keep behaving badly ? does that mean you should react badly perhaps not but sometimes easier said than done.Originally Posted by h0bby1
is the spiritual side of life turning the other cheek and being all obedient and loving ?
cause for me searching for you own truth, i don't call this necessarily spiritual
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STOP POSTING THIS SHIT...sick ass......that dont even look right at all...
I have no idea if Jesus really existed. I have no idea what Plato said. I have no idea about most philosophers. I know one thing though, what one of them said once..."i know one thing...i know nothing".
Well, actually i do know some things....one of them is a dear friend, one of the few people in this world i hold so close to my heart suffered for a long time. Nothing helped in the end. New Age, various other belief systems...nothing. One day a member of the Catholic church came to her. He was the only one that really helped my friend. And will do so willingly in the future, whenever my friend will need him again, asking for nothing in return.
Why am i saying this ? It doesn't matter if Jesus existed for real or not. What matters is that His teachings helped millions and will continue to do so in the future. Yes there is a chance Jesus is an ideal, an archetype, a belief. Yes the church used His techings to establish an earthy empire based on fear and hatred for the "infidels". Yes some so-called priests love little boys.
But nothing is black and white, only the fanatics see it that way. There is good and bad everywhere. As there are holy people in every belief system. And they help people.
Does it matter what crouch one will use...what type, color, shape ? It's bad to be crippled, not being able to walk. How do you manage to walk ? Using the crouch...and as you use it, your legs become stronger with each step you take. Then one day you may not need the crouch anymore. But you owe everything to that crouch, and of course your will to walk.
We miss the forest for the trees. We look for the truth in books....and all we can see are books. Old books, we read them again and again. And in the end...we believe in the books themselves and not in their true meanings.
As long as people believe in Jesus, He exists and lives inside them. And heals them, as Plato could never do. THAT"S what's really important. Yes, others will be healed by Plato, others by Buddha, others by different ideals....it doesn't really matter. All that does matter is what we carry in our hearts, and what we do for our fellow human beings, that's what really defines us. But most of the time we seek to do things just for ourselves...I must be enlightened, I must be wise, I must find the truth, I must achieve Life Eternal...I, I, I, me, me always precious me...and He said "he who wants to live shall die"...maybe meaning not only the material life...because all this is selfish really....
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yes, but in the bottom, if you take stuff like marxism or trotstkym, that any good fashioned christian will say omg it is atheist, it is not spiritual, it is monstruous, and all this, those system are explicitly based on the capacity of ppl to ask themselve question, to have a system in 'permanant revolution' , that any rule that exist must be issued from this capacity of ppl to build an effective rule or structure to solve a need, and it is only based on the developpement of this capacity, to a very method of education leading toward this etc
and if you look even in the english version wikipedia, how marxism is presented, it is presented mostly as leninism marxism, marx was not leninist, and it is only the tip of the iceberg of the number of lie and historial fallacy propagated by countries that in the bottom are christian based, if you pinochet all the atrocities he did, it is justified by fighting socialism, and the vatican happily supported his extradiction and all, in spain franco assassinated francisco ferrer for this exact reason that he was advocating a system of school that was based on developping this capacity, a modern atheistic free thinking school, which is just based on this capacity of ppl to ask themselve question and act by themselve for themselve on a rational basis
if you draw a line from socrates to plato to spinoza to marx to einstein, you get something that fly, you can make a coherent skewer with them, and christianism would fit right on this line philosophically historically and all, and if you look at all those stuff, in the bottom they all advocate a sort of equality, the proverbial 'comrade' stuff, that everybody in the country must be equal to remove powers, states, and that anykind of structure must be directly issued from the capacity of someone to solve an issue through this structure, and in filigram behind them, you always find judaism all along, and even if it is based on a notion of god, it is really something different from the 'spiritual side' that christian could see, einstein would speak in favor of socialism, and say his vision of god would be close to spinoza, who is classified pantheist, his idea of god is not the one of a higher power, but the one linked with the order of the world, the god that you learn through math and rationalism
and it is not the question specially of turning other cheek or not, but the question is the reason that push you to do this, the intellectual processus that lead you to follow this behavior, is it based on asking yourself a question, and from there the principle become a product of intelligence and become integrated into this capacity to concieve a solution to solve a need, hopefully a realistic one, or is it based on just accepting it for true without thinking at all about the why and the how
did you listen to the interview ?
this ok, but that doesn't solve the main question that is what is the best way to walk, and how you determine this, when you do reeducation, you do with a kine who has idea of your bones, joints, muscle, and how is the best way to operate the whole, you can apply the same principle to the mind like in budhism
yes, but expect christian, there are not many who advocate see it like learning things from a single book and that it is the only truthWe miss the forest for the trees. We look for the truth in books....and all we can see are books. Old books, we read them again and again. And in the end...we believe in the books themselves and not in their true meanings.
well i could advice you read a bit of history about socrates or plato to get a clue of what you are speaking aboutAs long as people believe in Jesus, He exists and lives inside them. And heals them, as Plato could never do.
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this yes, but how do you even come to the idea to help your follow human being to begin with if you don't start by thinking, and how you know what is really actually an human being, and how to help them the best, if not by thinking about yourself, your I, know thyself, the human being that you are so crying about to help, it is just another ME ME ME another I I I that you only seem to have hate againstAll that does matter is what we carry in our hearts, and what we do for our fellow human beings, that's what really defines us. But most of the time we seek to do things just for ourselves...I must be enlightened, I must be wise, I must find the truth, I must achieve Life Eternal...I, I, I, me, me always precious me...and He said "he who wants to live shall die"...maybe meaning not only the material life...because all this is selfish really....
and plato say exactly that we must come out of our body that he see as prison to reach rationalism
Last edited by h0bby1; 03-18-2012 at 01:36 AM.
I have more proof that Jesus never existed with more interviews and more sources.
I opened a new Thread with good online interview-links with free streaming and download here:
http://indigosociety.com/showthread....rviews-Part-II
Have a look.
Cheers.
Last edited by OneSource; 03-26-2012 at 09:02 AM.
You will become what you do now. Now is the time.
LOL some ppl...
The name/personality "Jesus" may not have existed.
But the person who the name/perosnality represents (who is more than one person) did.
I just know one thing from my own experience. I am eternal and forever.
I know that since I am born that I am unborn. So it is my true identity and was not learned later on through books or other means.
I dont even know what that means when you say:
Last edited by OneSource; 10-07-2012 at 09:12 AM.
You will become what you do now. Now is the time.
.... Think about it.. think about how archetypes are formed.. and think about who we are.. think about all the endless possibilities of what we are capable of and what Jesus represents.
I still don't understand how one can debunk the Jesus existence? No, not the latino people name Jesus (Yaysus as they're pronounced) I meant the real figure.... It's already blatantly suffocated in people's mind across 5 religions and many many historical figures and evidence
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I might not be Islam by religion anymore cos of obvious reasons from awakening spiritually, but since it is part of my identity and made me who I am, no one should ever diss Islam ever here!!
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Hey u can beleive in jesus or u dont.
What kind of thread is that.
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i am a christian and i do believe that Jesus was a real person. but more than that, once you have "seen" him. believed in him. recieved God's forgiveness you can never go back to un belief. once truth is seen it can not be unseen.
but i respect the truth and beliefs of others here.
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lol. I do not know if he does or not, we don't have proof he does and we don't have proof we doesn't.
Jesus, imo, was a man of power, who discovered a new way to percieve and to think. He uncovered new knowledge for the world, one of saving your soul, and of life after death. He was undoubtedly of a genius and a visionary. His teachings lead to saving your soul and opening up the potential of love and eternal life. Jesus was a visionary whose knowledge taught provided miraculous power and perception. His ideas, and his path, presented a new way for people, with new knowledge, and new power for them. In a time of corruption Jesus stood strong, and was killed for it. His message of life after death, gave people the knowledge they needed to transcend into the potential of life, after this incarnation. This knowledge was previously unheard of, Jesus led the way. The evil in this world had tried to discredit him, even to deny his existence, but that is a choice for the individual to make. just like the knowledge of life after death is your to accept or to deny.
I whole heartily will have to disagree with you. Jesus DID exist. Period. End of discussion.
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Also, remember, Christians don't believe in proof-they believe ''belief'' is enough. Look, there are starseeds here, imagine you saying ''Starseeds aren't real, listen to the proof'' they believe and that's all that matters. Also, I am not disagreeing or agreeing with your topic.
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