be the change

[h0bby1]

i see peoples talking about the change, and to be the change they want to be, and then what is this change really about ? excluding ppl because you don't want to hear what they say ? because they are not in tune with your own view of spirituality ? how is it any better than the current world we live in ? what would it look like if people like the one who lead this place 'home for the change' who come to any sort of power ? exluding ppl who say things that disturb them for personal reason linked to their 'spirituality' ? how is it any different from governement lumping anyone they want to get rid as terrorist to dupe the mass ? how is it any different from the corrupted politician tactics that we are all used to in this world ?


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i see people talking about exclusion, about being segretted and excluded for being 'weirdos' for having 'anger issue', and that the world is too littly enligthened to handle the truth, but isn't this just perpetuating exactly the same thing, excluding ppl because they have different view, because they challenge your well established view or your ego ?


i see people speaking about uncondtional love, but as everyone with a bit of sense know, there is hic with this, if you want to really 'be this change', because you can't expect that everyone will be the same, it is like trying to reach to infinity, and in the bottom what is happening ? ppl excluing other, calling them name and displaying them with ugly pictures of trolls because they say things that you can't handle ? and even forbidding ppl to speak with them because you deemed them as 'troll' and then just banning ppl just because they speak to them ? how are you supposed to be taken for anything more than mere empty talkers with this attitude ? how is it supposed to be anykind of change toward less exclusion and more tolerance


i remember a series i watced as a kid, that was a sort of karate kid movie, embeding a young boy gifted in martial art, and there was waves of aggression in the streets, and so he decided to teach ppl self defense to make them ready to face the threats, but his master totally yelled at him for this, saying those old people to whom he was teaching karate could never reach his level, and by trying to teach them self defense, it would just be even more dangerous, because it would give them a false sense of security, and they will try to face the danger of thugs thinking they are prepared when they are not, and during the episode, it just lead them to try to face thugs and being hurt even more, than if they would just run away or call the police, because they are just falsy prepared


this episode totally struck my mind, and i always remembed this, never teach something to people if you don't think it will really make them safe when faced with real world issue, how are you supposed to even remotly credible as teacher of uncondtional love and be the change if you are not even able to practice it on a simple forum, regarding how you deal with peoples who just don't agree with you ?


how is it attitude displaying anykind of patience or forebearance that you are so quick to babble about all day long as being the model of the change you want to see ? is it really the model that you take for this change that you pretend to be ? or is it the plain same old silly game of i'm more spiritual than you, and silencing any one who challenge your pretended attitude ?

I have the power to ban your trolling asses whenever I feel like.
I win....hahahaha

[1month1day11]

Nice quote from Ian, hobby. He must be related to Charlie Sheen.....

[h0bby1]

Nice quote from Ian, hobby. He must be related to Charlie Sheen.....

yep, i wonder what kind of change that attitude can bring around, aren't the 'caretaker' supposed to be the inspirational model of the forum and their members ?

[1month1day11]

Supposed to be, and what actually is, are two totally different things. It's no different when they banned G.I. for flipping out in that dog thread....why that thread? Because it was easy, that's why. He had a legitimate reason to be pissed off, and they picked that moment to can him.....instead of the many other moments he fucked around, and probably deserved it.

I've watched a lot here the last couple years....the only conclusion I have come to is that there is no such thing as unbiased moderation. It's part of the reason I started my own obscure little forum...because I wanted a place with no rules, where there are no moderators constantly monitoring everything.

It is what is, I guess. This is just an obscure internet forum...is being able to ban trolls really a win? I suppose. If that's what you call a win.......

[h0bby1]

yes now the question is around the nature of the bias of the moderation, and how in tune it is with what they pretend to be, or how inspirational it can be for 'spiritual' persons or maybe it's not even about spirituality at all to begin with

[1month1day11]

Of course not, this place makes Daniel money! It probably pays his rent, or at least most of it in soCal....

You know they'll either close this thread or delete it....

[AmonRa]

Of course not, this place makes Daniel money! It probably pays his rent, or at least most of it in soCal....

You know they'll either close this thread or delete it....

Anyone knows exactly how much money that is, or is it just speculation? Because last time I owned a site, it was costing more money than it made.

Also, while I agree that the mod quote wasn't cool, a single line copypasted out of a whole mail exchange is never "fair".
Not saying I wanna see the whole mailbox, but some stuff look awful out of context, but not that bad when surrounded by equally bad or worse sentences. I get the point, but unless you (H0b) have been white as snow in the whole mail exchange, it can get pretty ugly when both parties start copypasting quotes.

[h0bby1]

ok actually if you want the whole message :

Fuck you yogidick and vaGIna trolls
« Thread Started Yesterday at 9:42pm »

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get a life losers. I have the power to ban your trolling asses whenever I feel like.
I win....hahahaha

nothing else it is not out of context stuff or anything lol

[h0bby1]

i mean, quite inspirational isn't it ? i wonder what kind of change it can inspire, talk about out of context shit when half the thread go deleted and all that jazz lol

[silvercharm]

i mean, quite inspirational isn't it ? i wonder what kind of change it can inspire, talk about out of context shit when half the thread go deleted and all that jazz lol

It's the change YOU WISH to see in the world.

Screw with what the other people wishes

[h0bby1]

Screw with what the other people wishes

that won't really lead you very far lol

[silvercharm]

We can only be the change if we want to listen to others and accepting the differences.

[h0bby1]

We can only be the change if we want to listen to others and accepting the differences.

depend what can kind of change you to be that is

[silvercharm]

depend what can kind of change you to be that is

hahaha sure, that's true hobby.

we can change society by killed all of the people that we judge being bad and criminals.

[h0bby1]

hahaha sure, that's true hobby.

we can change society by killed all of the people that we judge being bad and criminals.

yes, and the terrorists, the trolls, the satanist, the unamerican, ppl who hurt our ego, etc, i'm sure the planet would be a better place if i was the master ruler of it

[h0bby1]

actually it was a single message to start a thread on the other forum, there was nothing else at all in the whole message lol

[AmonRa]

Lol yeah, that's fucked up lol. Oh well, not everybody should be a mod. i've seen 60 yo university science professors get modded on average size forums and right away post a thread "welcome to the new order, you shall now submit to my authority or leave to never return". Shortest mod life in history

[AmonRa]

The change you wish to see, act on, stay focused on, and don't go whining and giving up when it doesn' t seem to start changing ASAP.

[h0bby1]

The change you wish to see, act on, stay focused on, and don't go whining and giving up when it doesn' t seem to start changing ASAP.

i think that sort of saying btw it is directly toltoyist, i know that shit it not even really budhist or linked with the secret that much to begin with

all those stuff of tolstoy, anarchist and community oriented things, i know this stuff, that could be my religion if i had one

now you can ask yourself what kind of community will arise from that kind of model, for me it doesn't take too long to figure it out

there is a kind of context of community activism tied into this, it is not all about yourself with this saying

it just mean don't be a jerk if you want to be a peace activism, play your community rules, not be a jerk against your percieved enmy that's what gandhi followed, it is more about that kind of stuff than about the secret or personal intention

actually the community rules is what i'm trying to figure out, or better , to put in plain sight of the reader

[AmonRa]

i think that sort of saying btw it is directly toltoyist, i know that shit it not even really budhist or linked with the secret that much to begin with

all those stuff of tolstoy, anarchist and community oriented things, i know this stuff, that could be my religion if i had one

now you can ask yourself what kind of community will arise from that kind of model, for me it doesn't take too long to figure it out

there is a kind of context of community activism tied into this, it is not all about yourself with this saying

it just mean don't be a jerk if you want to be a peace activism, play your community rules, not be a jerk against your percieved enmy that's what gandhi followed, it is more about that kind of stuff than about the secret or personal intention

Nah, It was already there in Tibetan Buddhism so much stuff was already there in Tibetan traditions when everybody else was still eating their snot and throwing rocks at each other.