Certainly an age old question with numerous schools of thought contemplating the issue. The link is to Wes Penre's quite credible materials and his very interesting web site
http://wespenre.com/there-is-a-light...the-tunnel.htm
Certainly an age old question with numerous schools of thought contemplating the issue. The link is to Wes Penre's quite credible materials and his very interesting web site
http://wespenre.com/there-is-a-light...the-tunnel.htm
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Hekuni (06-19-2012)
Anyone that experiences OBE's has comfort not merely "believing", but knowing the answer to this. I'm truly not afraid to die because I know that isn't the end of my existence. The only thing that concerns me is the discomfort I may feel when it happens. I hope it happens quickly.
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Actually, that link is pretty accurate. But here's a brief summary for those too lazy to read it all.Originally Posted by drakke1
It depends on what you believe. You get a custom tailored "welcome home" depending on your belief system. Then you reunite with deceased loved ones. Then you process what you just went through, the lifetime you just died from. You decide if you are satisfied with what you went through. If you are traumatized from your death or your lifetime, you work through those emotions, with help. Then you hang out in heaven. You do what makes you happy. You may even start planning your next incarnation. Some people play a harp in the cloud for shits and giggles, since a lot of people think that's what heaven is, so it's kind of funny to do this after you know the Truth... or maybe the humor in this is played out by now, but maybe not for everyone. But there's always something to do to occupy you.
Some spirits linger for awhile or so after they die. Because they don't realize they're dead. Or because they don't realize there's something waiting for them. And during this entire time, their spirit guide and select family members will come to talk to them, to help them realize they don't have to stay where they are. But because of free will they do what they want. Eventually they'll get bored and take notice of what their spirit guide or family member is telling them and go with them.
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Psychic Child (06-19-2012)
I don't believe it's exactly like that. I do believe you're reunited with lost loved ones... but only because you're united with all energy & thought that returns to the source. Kind of like a cosmic river/stream of it, where your thoughts define your existence. You can make it your heaven or hell, depending on your frame of mind. So in that regard I think the "you have to believe/have faith to get there" part has some merit. But it's not exactly like that. Anyway that's just my best guess based on what I experience when I step out of this shell.
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In an ancient Toltec belief, one would learn that the warrior dies because he intends to die, no other reason exists in the world except intent and will. they would learn to master the forms of the body, transfigure themselves into animals, and in essence dream their bodies. Some would state their intents to learn something, anything and go into the night hunting that knowledge. the warriors of this tribe called it the silent knowledge, like a flow that connects to all places and all possiblities, and the road on how to get there.
Personally I have learnt something very valuable that i wish to share and that is sow your seeds carefully, and water only that which you wish to grow. When defining something like heaven or hell, be prepared to reap what you sow. otherwise i think it proper to say a simple 'i don't know'.
alright, my guides say to share so i will. I died, and when i did i was left alone in a void. i regained consciousness and all was black all around me. i saw behind me, but had no body, just awareness. i saw many lights behind me, they travaled over my body and led my attentnio to a fine point light. that light was in front of me, as i watched it came closer, or i came closer to it, there was no difference. i second guessed myself as i looked at this light, and a voice said "its what you want, its beautiful". My bodyless body did it al on its own accord, it jumped in, and it was pure bliss, the most beautiful amazing thing evr seen in my life/death. it was pure understanding, pure awareness, of both, life and death. it was all of every possibility existing at the same time, and all of them not existing. it was this balance of both 'to be and not to be' that made the creation of choice. it showed me that life is and can be anything imaginable, that anything is possible, and easily so. i knew i had to come back, because i had intended to just before i jumped in, and a voice said i can come back to the heaven again to.. what led me there was a decision i made to learn, and to teach people how to forgive their negative judgements, to have new life beyond their old ways, or negative views.
drakke1 (06-17-2012)
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I sent a very long message to you in response, or tried to, and was notified I do not have enough posts to send a pm! Now doesn't that just...
OBE,
On occasion I have served as a Guide,
and your description is what I experienced.
Every one has a choice, stay or journey.
Every attempt is made to help the "not ready ones" stay.
It was my job to help people understand the choices offered
and Guide them once the decision was reached.
They were never abandoned.
On occasion they became "walk-ins".
I never handled that.
Be in harmony,
be in beauty.
roger
note:
good movies about this:
City of Angels,
Joe Black,
Heaven can wait,
are just a few . . .
TV sit-com: Dead Like Me did not offer choices,
but was well done.
beauty,
pc
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That which is below corresponds to that which is above . . .
That which is above corresponds to that which is below . . .
To accomplish the miracle of one thing.
The Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegist, [Dennis W. Hauk translation]
Yep, this is a good example of free will too.
There's one thing I don't understand about walk-ins though. At first, I found it unfair that walk-ins even exist. Like, how is it fair to take over someone else's life that they spent however many years experiencing and setting up for themselves (the good and the bad)? The idea that let's say for example, I wanted to be done with this life already, I just wanted out... first that's probably already a sign that I still have living/learning to do... but if I did get to leave this body, then for a walk-in case, somebody else can just come in and take over... more than likely disrupting the lives of everyone else I was associated with? I'm still unsure if I believe this idea or not. What I particularly don't agree with, is if walk-ins happen on unexpecting people. That sounds like an invasion of the original person's free will. I'm not saying I've heard of this happening, but that's what I've thought about regarding this subject.
The cases where I've read about people being a walk-in, they say they still have memories of the person, but they seem foreign to them. My first instincts when being aware of the term walk-ins... was that people's higher self, their heaven self, were coming into the forefront of their being, and it felt foreign to them because it certainly is different. I joked with my spirit guide how I could see how my family could've interpreted me being a walk-in because of the 180 that occurred in my personality after my 'awakening'.
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I think the reason these types of questions are difficult to answer correctly is because woven into the question are general misconceptions about reality, so it tends to maintain the false reality and doesnt fetch the answer one is looking for...Death? Body? "I"?...a more reality based question to get the right answer might be...What happens to my fist, after I open my hand?
sovnd (06-20-2012)
My understanding what happens at death is different dependant on the life you lived, your personal evolution and the karma created.your entire life is relayed to you instantly like opening a file - you are your own judgement your life, you are responsible for your evolution. If you created bad karma with a collective of people the less evolved may be waiting to confront you, if you go out your way and create extra good karma that wasnt planned you are sure to receive some happy soulds waiting
A person who has no spiritual awareness is unlikely to have lucidity after death
A person who is so mentally conditioned into believing you die thats it will probably get stuck in the dimension overlapping earth.
I dont think any of us will have an issue with the above
A person who has started to gain spiritual awareness you might experiance the death of your body then the deativation of your energy field - in your next life your energy is lighter - i assume this has happened to all idigos else we wouldnt vibrate naturally at a higher rate.
Members of your soul group will be around for you and you will recognise them by there energy - you probably will have lived many lives before knowing each other however if your lucidity is low then you may not have as much control
The more you evolve as a conscious the more lucidty you gain (both on earth and in different dimensions)
The more advanced you become and experiances you learn from the lighter density dimensions will be accessable to you where you can meet others on that frequency - swap infomation etc
as always so many variables and so complex - but it works
"Eat not from the tree of knowledge of destruction"
&
"Sow the seeds of life, and reap what one sows"
&
"Do onto others what one would have done onto themselves"
&
"Judge not another lest ye be judged"
If one is looking for a body of heavenly knowledges I suggest following the seeds of life. Remember before the knowledge of death became accesible to us, there was only a body of paradise and potential. That reality is still available to us, we just can not eat the knowledge of death, we can however be forgiven of our sin, and given a new body of life, to enter, or to re-enter a knowledge of paradise.
It says in the bible to leave that which one knows, and to walk in faith with God, this is because the values we have learnt have made that reality of heavenly paradise disappear. why? because we ate from a different tree of knowledge. however the knowledges of beautiful paradise are still present, we simply must chose to activate them. If the knowledge you have to burdonsome, heavy, or supports negative values, let it go, leave it behind and seek a new way. the essence of creation can create anything, seriously, and this is the knowledge one should be seeking, freedom, and positivity. ease, and simplicity, to be like children is to be accepted in the arms of heaven.
Well stated. It's what I was getting at in regards to your frame of mind, and that you can make it your veritable heaven or hell. I've seen you elude to this several other times too, in different words. It's something I'm a strong believer in. And with all of these people out there brainwashed by conventional religion into thinking they're going to "hell" if they commit any tiny little infraction... I fear for where they may end up. Being "God fearing" is NOT the way to go about things.
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