Does "Negativity" Really Exist -- Isn't EVERYTHING Light and Love?

[drakke1]

One of my favorite topics. Here's a decent thread that explores the theme....

http://lightworkers.org/blog/161345/...ighborhoodhelp

[Three14]

I can experience the true range of true emotion. I know sadness, pain, fear, joy are all shades of beautiful manifesting symbolism. Impressions of negativity when entering rooms, or work, etc are fruits of non-linear experience and are easily made beautiful by thrashing powerfully laden belief systems.
Is their negativity or is there lack of awareness? Is there positivity and beauty or is it naievity? Light and love are what I choose sometimes, but dark and knowing have their own journies.

[ZenDesi]

It's all neutral.

[Three14]

very much the opposite. It has to be - neutral is a state in itself, with its own powers of manifestation. Light and dark hold the very fabric of living together - without the balance conciousness would cease. We need to realize this balance is not able to be undone, and it is life. States of suffering and torment, etc itself are beutiful precious experiences - an entity enlightened beyond fear could never know such insecurities. Some say we know hate to understand love = I say knowing only hate, is as deady to the soul as knowing only love. Heaven in our terms is hell as no one could exist in such constant perfection.

[alan]

very much the opposite. It has to be - neutral is a state in itself, with its own powers of manifestation. Light and dark hold the very fabric of living together - without the balance conciousness would cease. We need to realize this balance is not able to be undone, and it is life. States of suffering and torment, etc itself are beutiful precious experiences - an entity enlightened beyond fear could never know such insecurities. Some say we know hate to understand love = I say knowing only hate, is as deady to the soul as knowing only love. Heaven in our terms is hell as no one could exist in such constant perfection.

Would you agree that having cancer spreading through your body fast and very painful everyday feeling you're dieing soon is an enlightened feeling?

[GreenMoose]

No not everything is love and light. There are many bad places and bad people in this world.

[ZenDesi]

There is a reason I say everything is neutral. To say everything is of light and love is a fantasy world. I dare you to convince rape victims that their history of sexual abuse was created by a manifestation of life and love and dancing fairies.

I am sorry. I can be a positive person but it's also important to be realistic.

Now that rape victim can go through years of torture. While they spent through years of abuse they either had the choice after they were free to use their pains wisely and encourage others to set themselves free or to spend their life suffering by the actions of another.

It is all about perception. Neutral is a state- it's the middle ground. Either of the three good, bad, or neutral is all a matter of perception and it is interpreted by the subject. You see the tree outside of you as standing straight up and in color. But the colors you see are perceived by the cones and rods in your eyes and in reality it is all black and white. It is also upside down.

Color does not exist. Perception of color does. Bad and good are not created- they are believed. And anything on the outside of you is a looking glass to the inside of you clearly based on your awareness and perception of your own existence.

[Three14]

A painful feeling spreading through my body killing it does not enlighten. Cancer is not that horrible feeling though is it? It's the horrible feeling and dying that is not an enlightened state. Cancer has a consciousness, and seeks similar fullfillment.
To the theme of this thread, and our discussion; There are many paradigms of consciousness for us to overcome, and we will be the first to compare Earth as having a human cancer. Negativity is refusing to appreciate the complexity of true cause and affect - Light and Love could never be so rigid.

[Three14]

There is a reason I say everything is neutral. To say everything is of light and love is a fantasy world. I dare you to convince rape victims that their history of sexual abuse was created by a manifestation of life and love and dancing fairies.

I am sorry. I can be a positive person but it's also important to be realistic.

Now that rape victim can go through years of torture. While they spent through years of abuse they either had the choice after they were free to use their pains wisely and encourage others to set themselves free or to spend their life suffering by the actions of another.

It is all about perception. Neutral is a state- it's the middle ground. Either of the three good, bad, or neutral is all a matter of perception and it is interpreted by the subject. You see the tree outside of you as standing straight up and in color. But the colors you see are perceived by the cones and rods in your eyes and in reality it is all black and white. It is also upside down.

Color does not exist. Perception of color does. Bad and good are not created- they are believed. And anything on the outside of you is a looking glass to the inside of you clearly based on your awareness and perception of your own existence.

The trick of perception Zen Desi is objectivity. Most will agree from the vistim's perspective, rape is an unspeakable violation. I have family and friends who have been raped, as most of us do unfortunately. But I also know people who have raped, and considering the two perspectives, to rape another is a much deeper hate crime to the self. Your view of life and people is not neutral - its angry. Good, bad, and neutral are physical manifestations - interpretations of why things happen to people. Emotion, intent, and energy manifest matter to form - good and bad are created by your consciousness. This process is only linear to the blissful state. Colors and trees do exist, but are much more complex than anyone knows - all matter is comprised of consciousness and emotion, bound by multi-dimensional laws of energy that define the living state. When I say light and dark, I mean 2 polarities of the cosmic energy magnet; invested and isolation in our terms. When you say everything is neutral, and anything else is fantasy - you are limiting your own ability to understand deeply the true nature of living. The looking glass statement you make only applies to one consciousness creating - we exist where everything around us independently is conscious and can co-create. YOur emotion is another's experience, etc - you deserve to examine your hostility. The rules you have created for your experience will only bring frustating pointlessness - I choose loving, fascinating complexity and I know nothing is beyond my experience or understanding - if I make the rules such that I cannot validate them - then I am wrong. Thanks for your comments.

[alan]

I dont meditate and I don't have deep thoughts about these things. My writing are completely from life experiences, so when talk deep thought stuff my mind stop working or my mind cannot process the reading, thus don't understand what you try to say completely. Here is one thing about neutral, we need to act and not stay neutral. Imagine if you see a person dieing in front of you and you could have done something to save him/her life, why would you stay neutral to observe his/her suffering doing nothing about it? I see a lot of so call indigo are like this and they wonder how come they aren't doing something great. And I see a lot of buddhist like people on here that meditate a lot that do very little about these thing because they are on their path of learning. If you continue your path of learning, your environment may not be able to support you to learn anymore because you aren't doing enough to save your environment. I don't know, people are people, indigo or not - it is impossible to change them unless they suffer. These stuff are as simple as if you don't eat, you die.


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[Three14]

I dont meditate and I don't have deep thoughts about these things. My writing are completely from life experiences, so when talk deep thought stuff my mind stop working or my mind cannot process the reading, thus don't understand what you try to say completely. Here is one thing about neutral, we need to act and not stay neutral. Imagine if you see a person dieing in front of you and you could have done something to save him/her life, why would you stay neutral to observe his/her suffering doing nothing about it? I see a lot of so call indigo are like this and they wonder how come they aren't doing something great. And I see a lot of buddhist like people on here that meditate a lot that do very little about these thing because they are on their path of learning. If you continue your path of learning, your environment may not be able to support you to learn anymore because you aren't doing enough to save your environment. I don't know, people are people, indigo or not - it is impossible to change them unless they suffer. These stuff are as simple as if you don't eat, you die.

I don't meditate per se - I sit quietly for an hour a day and listen. I don't read any books on these subjects, I don't practice a religion. My statements may seem deep and convoluted, but they are based on simple beliefs I now understand becuase I was sick of the conflict with everything around me. The danger of indigos not separating emotional experience (I am just learning how and it is only due to a surgery I had 5 weeks ago that forced me to be still and silent for 2 weeks) is you will find everything in your life that excited you will slowly not excite you as much - like your life spark is slowly fading -thats what happened to me. Donèt assume I am some blowhard swami - I life in eastern Canada and am as much salt of the earth as anyone. I had to learn to control my emotions before they killed me.
You need to realize what I am starting to - why do you feel a need to defend against me - and if you dont understand it - let me know how to help you understand it. As a fellow indigo I am being sincere. What I write here means something significant, and it is very simple to understand. Your comments on learning are based on fear of losing your status - you will lose your environment soon by losing your luster for life if you keep fighting.

[alan]

I don't meditate per se - I sit quietly for an hour a day and listen. I don't read any books on these subjects, I don't practice a religion. My statements may seem deep and convoluted, but they are based on simple beliefs I now understand becuase I was sick of the conflict with everything around me. The danger of indigos not separating emotional experience (I am just learning how and it is only due to a surgery I had 5 weeks ago that forced me to be still and silent for 2 weeks) is you will find everything in your life that excited you will slowly not excite you as much - like your life spark is slowly fading -thats what happened to me. Donèt assume I am some blowhard swami - I life in eastern Canada and am as much salt of the earth as anyone. I had to learn to control my emotions before they killed me.
You need to realize what I am starting to - why do you feel a need to defend against me - and if you dont understand it - let me know how to help you understand it. As a fellow indigo I am being sincere. What I write here means something significant, and it is very simple to understand. Your comments on learning are based on fear of losing your status - you will lose your environment soon by losing your luster for life if you keep fighting.

Let me clarify my answer to my question. If you were on the dying side, going down hill either by old age or an incurable painful disease, it is wise to accept death and be done with it, but if you are well and alive, either young + healthy and you accepted death, there's something wrong in the head. Call it whatever you want, it doesn't make sense. Trying to explain to be neutral about letting a snake crawl up on you to bring death to you and you have every ability and strength to stop it, but chooses to do nothing just doesn't make sense. That snake could be the negativity.

[Three14]

No not everything is love and light. There are many bad places and bad people in this world.

I agree. But do we understand what that means - how you just saying that creates. We inherently know we create our own experience - I must assume we all can, which means we affect each other. Negativity is a very real result - generated by a lack of understanding I and all of us have to varied degrees.

[Three14]

Let me clarify my answer to my question. If you were on the dying side, going down hill either by old age or an incurable painful disease, it is wise to accept death and be done with it, but if you are well and alive, either young + healthy and you accepted death, there's something wrong in the head. Call it whatever you want, it doesn't make sense. Trying to explain to be neutral about letting a snake crawl up on you to bring death to you and you have every ability and strength to stop it, but chooses to do nothing just doesn't make sense. That snake could be the negativity.

Your right on a point - if my daughter died of cancer in 3 weeks, I would not view it as an enlightening experience. It's unthinkable. It's when you and I begin picking apart these fears- of death for example. What if we knew our spiritual selves never died - suddenly everyone on Earth realized it as well. Would that change our experience and relations with the word death? What I am saying is I don't believe we will always view these tragedies as such for long as a species. All it takes is for everyone to all together believe one thing differently - realize and know something we fooled oursleves into not being thinkable. ie - The world is flat. Know what I mean? one person can change everything.

[Psychic Child]

There were cultures that considered birth as a time for weeping,
for this is another soul condemned to this Hell.
Death on the other hand was a time for rejoicing,
and the party was called a "Wake", and it is still practiced.
But If you embraced Death [passage] easily without fighting,
your rebirth would be condemned to this hell again.

Earth to them was a place of a "Right-Of-Passage"
to the next world.

Today we read of people blowing themselves up
for a "Right-Of-Passage" to their next world [Heaven] from their God.
And people rejoice at the need of their belief.

When you are dying, from illness or injury, you are given a choice,
of living [recovering] or starting your passing journey. I have been
the Spirit Counselor to three people in this situation, they all chose
to start the new journey.
Be in harmony,
be in beauty.
roger

[alan]

There were cultures that considered birth as a time for weeping,
for this is another soul condemned to this Hell.
Death on the other hand was a time for rejoicing,
and the party was called a "Wake", and it is still practiced.
But If you embraced Death [passage] easily without fighting,
your rebirth would be condemned to this hell again.

Earth to them was a place of a "Right-Of-Passage"
to the next world.

Today we read of people blowing themselves up
for a "Right-Of-Passage" to their next world [Heaven] from their God.
And people rejoice at the need of their belief.

When you are dying, from illness or injury, you are given a choice,
of living [recovering] or starting your passing journey. I have been
the Spirit Counselor to three people in this situation, they all chose
to start the new journey.
Be in harmony,
be in beauty.
roger

When my daughter was born into this world, I cried and song a sad ancient song as she open her eye for the first time on that first day on earth.

[Three14]

When my daughter was born into this world, I cried and song a sad ancient song as she open her eye for the first time on that first day on earth.

I still remember the birth of my 3 children - changed me forever.

[Psychic Child]

me too, Three14,
and the two boys [ ha, ha] are now 55 and 52,
and still are helping me change. ;-)
They insisted that I tell my stories on a website,
lest the stories be lost to our decedents.
So I did.
Be in harmony,
be in beauty.
roger

[4electfew]

In my own experience, there is a big difference between good & evil. I do understand the point though, that evil can be used of God to help us to move forward & grow, albeit many times painfully. When someone does something maliciously to another, like physical assault, that's when the pain of the evil traumatizes you & can for years. I know, been there. Over it now & can understand it. Was raised to believe as Lucifer as the fallen angel, trying to get back at God, our Creator, by taking 1/3 of the angels with him when he fell, or should I say, got kicked out. That might be not a literal translation like I was raised to believe, which am still trying to figure out & the more I read about it, the more I try to meditate on it to see what the truth is. I wish there wasn't this entity in our world, because I've read that more people believe in Hell than Heaven. It's also caused much disillusionment in hearts over the centuries. I know that life can be full of grays, not just black & white situations. So thru my life, before realizing about being an Indigo, in a given situation, would ask myself, what would Jesus do? Sometimes evil wins & sometimes good, from my own experience. Since nothing is an accident, but we all have abused Free Will, we will all interpret it differently. All I can say is that I try to live to the highest & best & look forward to a better life in the 5th dimension, where we are free of it & all the snares, to really let out without any fear, the goodness & purity of who we are.

[SurrogateSpark]

Personally, don't care what people say on this topic since I'm dead set(lol sorry), the neutrality position is a bunch of crock(you've never seen child abuse then, and completely missed the Holocaust lesson and live in a tiny safe turtle shell of your own creation/illusion). Things which promote life=good. Things which destroy/rape life=bad. I've seen evil for mine own eyes, it's out there. However it is inevitable for it to be destroyed. Done!

Much love,

Peace and hope!