Natural Order of Reality Manifesting

[luciangus]

haha that's ok leila, one question brings another.. it's important to touch in other relevant matters...
Anyway this is a discussion and all opinions are important, there is no one more correct than the other, and there is no looking for conclusions either..
I like your exploring, it enriches the subject...
Unlike you some people see these threads as contests, like they had to give the correct answer or the smarter post, I don't like the superiority tone in some posts, to feel superior is not part of being enlightened, and those who think they have nothing to learn but just to teach still have a lot to work on.

[leila]

yes, i say these things very strongly, these are my conclusions for now. but to be true i am still exploring and learning about this myself. these kinds of related memes and ideas, these issues, are a kind of groove my mind spins on a lot...to try to figure something out here and especially IRL. in my daily life this sorts of related issues are always coming up.
...what can be done, how can it be explained. and most importantly...how can we deal with this...or i guess i should say how can i deal with...seeing what i see, knowing its all set up incorrectly and ineffeciently, its all unfair an yet people go about whatever pretending not to notice or address it...and seeing the suffering and problems all this brings...but what can i personally as a small animal here do about any of this.

its like...you do have to play this game, somehow get in on it...do whatever to float along and make things happen...have a place to live, try to buy land....work a job you can ethically deal with etc.

which in turn is why i need to "manifest" actually...this is why i work on manifesting stuff...so i can be free of that. ! but...i would like to be able to DO something about this stuff for sure. other than just knowing i can manifest easily from the dumpster o plenty cause i am shamelessly freegan =)

[Rum]

sorry luciangus i honestly can't answer the timing issue of manifestation would be pretty good to know that right enough so it is a very good question, i do think certain things in our life can block or hold it up but for how long is anyone's guess.

[Rum]

leila im not sure i have followed your post very well , you seem to be saying that you don't agree with manifestation and the law of attraction yet you agree that it happens

[leila]

yeah...what am i saying???! lol.

i disagree that you have to work for it, specifically. or that anyone should have to work for it.

i believe we live in the middle of abundance and we have already been gifted with everything we SHOULD need.
(which has then been stolen and bought and sold and bought and sold again )
we have to only receive and be grateful.

now if only it were that simple, this is THE TRUTH, yet it isnt true. not in the modern context and craziness thats going on...the imbalance and the exploitation.

there is some work involved in living sure- gathering /growing food, tending land, creating structures...there is work in life. but compared to the weird modern lifestyles people live, it is very little work involved to get what you need to continue to survive.

living SHOULD be easy, is what i am saying. basic neccessities should be free for ALL. there is actually way more than enough to go around, but not enough for excessive consumption of crap, no. inefficient industrialized weirdness- no.
basic stuff...there is enough land= food growing possibilities, for everyone to have enough and a place to live for free on earth.

but i dont believe in LOA as its talked about, and think its so distorted.
not so much the idea which is basically correct to a certain point, and works- in certain ways...more about the way its presented and then the way it gets misunderstood.
or that every time something weird or bad happens its your fault, and think people understand and are teaching /communicating these things in a very incomplete and imbalanced way...which is leading other people to further distort them.

ah well thats wht i am saying. there is something to it, for sure, but there are deeper alignments, and deeper understandings that should be understood and explained along with it.

i say that is talking about responsibility and empowerment...integrity and alignment. also the will.
and of course changing your thoughts, and what you are putting out there....well to me thats talking about empowerment, positive thinking.
i would rather talk about those specific things, than LOA as it is talked about.

[luciangus]

I wonder if the invisible world would still be interesting after we figure it all out

[irichard]

Hi Leila--like you, in your above posts, I use stream of consciousness, train of thought, thinking out loud, writing style sometimes. It's very effective, very alive, and more intimate than formally composed essays (I've written plenty of those) We're in good company--James Joyce, Dostoyevski. It gets the readers thinking rather than "selling" them our simplfied opinons. The goal of such deep sharing is not to "win" people to our view point but rather to, share our thoughts: "Here's what I'm thinking about...here's what I am currently thinking about it...Here's how I'm thinking about it... what are you thinking...let's think about this together." A pas de deux of two minds (oh, Richard! Are you gonna belabor dancing metaphors just because Leila was a Professional Ballet dancer...well....actually...I was going to do that.) I don't know where this posting is going to go but here goes....
On Manifesting, karma, hard work, free will, and predestination:
Once upon a time there was a little girl named Leila who dreamed of being a ballet dancer. Wow! did she work hard to make her dream come true. You have no idea how hard she worked, the dedication, the effort, the time she put in, the sacrifices. You have no idea! I do have an idea because I had a pal who was prima ballerina of the children's corp at the American ballet company. She told me about it, "The only time I saw my parents was on weekends. I got up and left the house in the morning before they woke up. I came home after they were asleep. But! I danced at Carnegie Hall. Then I broke my foot and I can never go on point again. I lost it all in one tragic moment."
The last time I spoke to her--decades ago, she was on her way to law school. Applying all that goal directed dedication, and practice at trying, trying, trying, I'm sure she was a success. By success I mean, she found--"found"--happiness. Maybe she didn't become an attorney...maybe she became a ballet instructor...or a Mother and wife..or maybe she went into politics. Anyways, she was wise enough to know, the goal, the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is not necessarily where your true happiness lies. Hang loose, explore, be open--Be Guided, and you will find the best happiness--for you.
As for me--I'm a human. I'm floundering around and procrastinating in part because I don't believe in myself...too much humility?...or too much criticism and scoffing?...and not enough ecouragement from those around me? Perhaps it's having wrong people around me. People who seek to control me and divert my focus to an agenda of their own. Anyways...I pray about it, and "spirt" tells me in no uncertain terms where I should be putting my effort. And "Spirit" gently, lovingly, patiently, encourages me. And I resist and stall. "Do not kick against the goads" (the Bible). Ya, do not do what I do.

Signed,
The Stubborn Lamb
(i ain't doin' it! an ya can't make me!)

[Rum]

I wonder if the invisible world would still be interesting after we figure it all out

I doubt there will ever be an end to things to figure out thats part of the fun

[Rum]

In my experience financial manifestation can and most often does come for me as a work opportunity and rarely will it just be manifest without any effort on my behalf though perhaps it is because I expect it to happen that way. I always found it easier to believe that I will have a work opportunity that would provide me with say £2000 rather than expecting someone to just come up and hand me it or it to appear out of thin air.

[luciangus]

Yeah I think what you get depends very much on your beliefs.. like you said. If you don't really believe in something, it won't happen. Unlike your case all my financial manifestations were money coming out of nowhere, like gifts and other things. It was just handed to me without effort. Because in my case I believe this is more likely than getting a job with good paycheck.. It's interesting how thing are different for each one

[Bubs]

I get what Leila is saying. I think on this a lot ,also. For example, the American dream. Nice house, nice car = good paying job. Easy to manifest,right? Work hard and good things flow to you.
So, with this nice house,you need nice furniture,nice artwork,nice neighborhood to put the nice house in. Nice and good schools,nice friends,etc. Now it seems like there are a whole bunch of conditions being attached to our one wish of a nice house. It seems more like chasing than manifesting.
America is a shining example for the rest of the world. China is expanding and becoming more industrialized. And India also. Globalization is the buzz word lately.
Maybe,the good old days of the 40's,50's, and 60's were just that. Because the American dream has morphed into something scary overall.
If you choose not to buy into the overall greed and selfishness,then you are different and weird,not in touch.
Kind of like I have been most ofmy life.
Don't get me wrong,I work,I have stuff,but I ask myself all of the time,how much is enough,where is the balance?
I know I have to work on me,but Sometimes I wish other people were as enthusiastic about getting their shit together and then looking around to TRY and help others. Maybe that's my hangup,because there is free will.
And like my brother always told me,"Not everyone wants sunshine and roses coming out their ass. "
Sorry to be so crude,but just showing a different point of view.
It's easy to get sucked into the paradigm,not so easy getting out.part of it is that I helped create some of it,but not all of it. So therein lies the problem how to fix the whole of it?


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