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@sentienne
That sounds like a real good thread in the making, I'd like to see that, you have a way with words, and it will be great.

@ joel,
Thanks for the comment!
For a moment there, I was beginning to think I was the only one.
After seeing these TF threads everywhere I was thinking ok enough with that already.
Let's look at the matter from a whole different point of view

[joel]

I truly believe people must understand this concept that is discussed here.

Point is, here is NO love at all, that is the root of the problem. Love. It is what must be seen. People are obsessed with love, because it is like taken away from them. We all are actually love, our soul is love itself. This nothingness we are, is love itself. Right now here we are trying to first find love, then maintain that love. As it is something outside. All needed to be done is dare to love other person unconditionally, with respect and dignity and honor.

Take a very good look at all of those married couples. Dare to enter into that world, just to see. Every man in that relationship eventually fails. At first there is love, then jealousy, then there is crabbing, then there is feeling of failing to maintain that love as it just slips away. Man failes to satisfy the women, because women need unconditional divine love. But they are with a man because of pity, as faking or trying to please and let the man know he is doing a great job. Every man eventually fails, because it is impossible to satisfy one women with a one man. And there is fake acting and pretending between those couples. Which is just pathetic. At first it is OK, because there is love and all that, but at the end there is always a catastrophic failure. And this couple who have decided to be with each other for the rest of their lives has just thrown away their love, their sexuality and they suffer without even knowing why. And what happens - people get ugly. Because of the inner subtle hate the other mate produces. Hate and love are different sides of the same coin, and the coin is named freedom. You love only when you have freedom. You automatically hate, when you don't have freedom. Hate dictates freedom. Freedom is all a person needs. Freedom to love, freedom to express their sexuality. Without conditions, without attachment, without jealousy. If you don't have that, then this hate who dictate all that, creates judgement making other believe she/he is not worthy and person gets ugly. It's all ego.
Please get that logic.

Or. I truly believe soul mates exists (but not TF here on Earth), because I have seen with my own eyes a couple who perfectly resonate with each other, they truly are meant to be with each other. They feel relaxed with each other and they really are perfect for each other. But again, if you dare to look closer and deeper as some kind of feeling inside you urges you to look what is still disturbing. Looking at them you see that they heavily depend on each other, they are weak and they are running away from the world, from all the bad things that might happen, they are still afraid. It is illogical to me. You are not changing the world that way and they keep being a slave of the system to save their big love. That way they never get enlightened, they never get themselves free and independent. And they limit their life experiences. And by that their "big love" what they have found is actually a limited love. That love can be much more bigger, much more immense. And it is just sad to see what kind of illusion they are living in. They think it is the highest love possible, but I see myself that it can be much much higher if you are free and independent. It is called unconditional love. Unconditional love is enlightenment. The highest love possible is love in enlightenment. That love there is liberated love. When person enlightens he or she does not get selfish the way that he or she doesn't need the opposite sex. Quite the other way around, you just don't crab that love, you just express it unconditionally. The essence of unconditional love is non-doing and non-wanting, but expressing, sharing.

The problem is a man can't step out of it, because of the women. I agree all women to be against me, it can't be otherwise to women being against what I say. It is natural. Because it is a man's job to construct a society for women and children. This is interesting logic. Look deeper in it. If the society is built by man for women and children. Isn't it that man living in that society now, who is not in control, is "women and children"? All men need to step out of it and start to dictate the society. Women always follow the rules of set society. Women follow men. It is the Nature's law. Right now men are following women. The marriage is created out of suppressed feminine energy. Marriage is a women's savior to survive. It is accumulated suppressed female energy. That's why eventually all women start to blame man not loving her. If a man with a heart sets up the society by understanding the feminine energy inside himself, then it creates a perfect society. Right now man is woman and woman is man. Actually man must be passive and women active. This world right now here needs a man, as warriors and samurais to get back control.

And it can be done only as I see it in a subtle way. There is two possibilities how to change society: changing the system (governments) or changing the people. If the system changes, people will follow very easily when they notice that good is always better. It is natural flow. But the system cannot be changed ever, revolutions always fail and have always failed. Only way to make the change is to change people by showing them an example. It is you, a man, who can change the world by showing an example. YOU can change the world, it is always been you. Never been someone else.

Long story, but it needed to get out.

[sentienne]

Joel, I don't even know where to begin with that. You've taken me backward and forward and side-side and full circle with this post. You touch on a topic that's very dear to me - Divine Masculine/Divine Feminine.

I abhore the concept of marriage - I think I always have - even when I was in one. People do get married for all the wrong reasons: security, children, finances, etc etc etc. There is no piece of paper that can dictate equality in a relationship. I agree that the only way that we can truly love each other, is unconditionally. Most marriages - most relationships are NOT that way.

Our society has truly warped male/female relationships and men and women in general. We've lost our Divinity. And honestly, I think we've lost our Masculine. I love men. I've ALWAYS loved men. There've been many opportunities when I could have become jaded or hateful towards men. And honestly, there are a few men that I don't like a whole lot, but I do love men. And I have to wonder what happened to them.

MOST (not all) of the men that I know have lost their strength - not physical strength - but their ability to stand on their own, and in their power. As a woman who chooses to empower men, I've come across men that simply will not believe that they have strength or can stand on their own. They've become extremely co-dependent - at least as much, if not moreso, than most women. How do we rebuild them?

I'm for equality in our Divinity.. No One should have control over the Other.
I love being an example. I hope that I'm a good one. But I/we are so far a departure from the norm that we're often hard for them to handle. Even within this group here, I see the same tendencies. All of these lovely men are afraid. The only question I can ask is.. Why?

[joel]

Thank God you understand me. This feels so good. It really seems we are not the only one. That matter must be seen from different point of view, as Link said. And that is what gives us back our power and divinity. That is the theory. I always remember Gandhi quote: "love punishes in suffering". The pain is actually love, or distorted truth (lie). Behind the pain is the truth. Pain is indication of a lie. And I also remember another beautiful quote: "the pain we carry is the love we withhold". This is so true. There is no pain, only suppressed love out of a lie. Society=big fat lie.
And I never forget a discussion we had here on IS with beautiful person who truly believes her twin flame existence. Maybe it is so, maybe not. Everyone has their own truths to believe in and saying them out loud. But there was something she said I never forget:
I stated that behind hate is love. You need to allow yourself to truly hate to see that behind hate is love you seek. You hate because of love. But she turned it around so beautifully and stated: suppressed love causes you to hate. If you suppress your love, you start to hate.
It is actually the same idea, but just looked from different perspective. You can look at it from the masculine side or from the feminine side. The truth remains the same. Truth leads to unconditional love.

So the pain itself is what is restricting us to reach to our divine masculinity and divine femininity. Pain is a signal that we have a wrong belief system which does not match with the Nature. Ego causes pain, because ego is society. Our body with all these feelings and emotions are all Nature. Looking things from this perspective, you see that everything we are, are perfection. Such a beauty, such a huge potential. And it is just going to waste. Just because of the society we have, it puts a wrong program into our heads named ego. Suppressing Nature causes pain, because it is simply wrong, a lie. Pain is just an indication of a lie. There is no pain, but just a lie. Therefore if trusting all your feelings, pain should go away and it does. You are perfect, absolutely beautiful peace of art. The problem is, the lie is just too big. All the answers are in the Nature, in you, in your body and feelings. If there is a lie, there is also a truth and that truth is YOU.

Now, where I want to reach with that? It is sexuality. The thing that is poisoned and distorted and killed in every way possible to gain control over humanity. If you take off the balls of the ox, you create a perfect slave animal. Ox with a balls is dangerous, he is uncontrollable, unpredictable. He has its power and divinity. It has his Nature. So if you want to control anything, you need to gain control over sex. Sex is life. And if you lose your sexuality as mutuality of the feelings, you have lost yourself. And duality is born. Because you have no grounding, you cannot trust your feelings. That is the reason celibacy is the simplest way to reach enlightenment. Kundalini is sexual energy, because it is the energy of life. It is the chi, the oneness. Kundalini right now is stuck because our sexuality is stuck and suppressed. All the perversions and pornography are because of suppressed sexuality. Something beautiful can get distorted into something very ugly. And people get ugly inside and outside if they lose their sexuality. And it happens 100% in all marriages. The love we are after is actually our lost sexuality, our lost Kundalini, our lost oneness. Love is sexual or sensual energy. The Nature is extremely sensual. It is Tantra itself.
If you gain control over your sexuality, you gain control over yourself. Unconditional love comes out of free sexuality. If you understand the concept of every feeling is mutual, then all those unnecessary attachments, conditions, jealousy and so on just disappears. And remains only respect, honor and dignity.

[eauceleste]

Twin flames and soul mates still seem to make sense. Perhaps theres even a mathematical solution to finding the most evolutionary compatible person to mate with. Cosmically, we dont find them unless were seeking something beyond ourselves. The more we think about saving the world, a selfless endeavor, we surprise ourselves by stumbling upon exactly what weve wanted. In my experience, i always find a partner, soul mate or not, when my mind was elsewhere.


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