Love is Love :(Christian Dialogue)

[illuminati]

This dialogue is started with bias towards christian understanding

I say this as not entice those, that do not believe in the Christ, not to feel inclined to respond. In your own understand let you be right without contention, so that I can be wrong to grow to better understanding of my God. But to my kindred, speak to me for I am listening.

It is of interst that Love as defined is often rooted to the deeds of our savior. And those deeds are physical and attainable by far. Further examination allows us to understand our creator as manifested to us... loves us uncontested...uncontained..unmeasurable. In our understanding of the creators omnipotence..we are justified with saying "unconditional love"....

The understanding of this notion is a subject of much discussion as seen and often argued about amongst the "indigos"

but ..I have come to the understanding that our best understanding of "unconditional love" is the abstract wisdom gained from the evaluation of love not from ourselves but from the reference/perspective of those that recieve it....

a state of amotional not emotional vanatge point....and in that moment the conditions setforth by those willing to recieve it...create the boundless possiblities of those able to give it...

As we ...the ambassadors of love, are able thru the empowerment of our savior and our faith in our creator can dispense manefestation thru deeds which are unattached therefore uncontested therfore unmeasureable to this world to glorify he that needs no glory, but glorified thru our selfless commitment and subordination to his will.

As we aspire to live in truth, so does our life adorn the characterization of imaginable inspiration of those benefited by our commitment in sacrafice.

And so I stop here and ask my fellow kindred to reflect and project
in the spirit of (John 3:16)

[adonis777]

The highest ideal of love is peace, compassion and empathy.

The greatest gift we can give is to teach others how to create peace in their lives.

Through peace suffering is alleviated.

Where there is peace of mind there is true heaven.

[illuminati]

thank you for your response adonis...but it does not reflect the existence heaven....

it appears your belief of heaven is the understanding of peace of earth with self...

From christian reference...earth..as explained out of the realm of paradise or eden has never felt peace and therefore it is a state of mind not an exisitence or state of being....

no christian can claim absolute peace until they are free of sin...

we understand balance and order to be seperate from peace...our peace is bliss with the creator...this relationship can not be experienced in it absoluteness in the kingdom of humanity...earth as we know it to be now.

how ever I thank you for your newage expression of your belief

love is love as your understanding limits it...

I say this not to be critical but concise in my understanding of your reasoning of heaven as defined by you is peace, compassion and empathy which illudes to love...

and man can not create a heaven for another man

that is why we love man thru christ and brotherly affliction and we hope to inspire by living in truth a path towards transcending humanity...

[Calibas]

but ..I have come to the understanding that our best understanding of "unconditional love" is the abstract wisdom gained from the evaluation of love not from ourselves but from the reference/perspective of those that recieve it...

Unconditional Love cannot be understood. How can we use the mind to grasp something with no conditions?

Love simply is. It's the core of your Being once all the "stuff" is cleared.

Being, Presence, Essence, Source, Love, God, I'm being redundant.

Will

[illuminati]

... unfortunately calibas...

you fundamentally do not agree with christian principle, and therefore would not agree with christian reasoning which is philosphically sound as stated above...

and thus your response is very much without the quality of philosphically sound reasoning

you first state unconditional love can not be understood..this follows that it can not be defined..but you argue the definition of love as simple.

and by this arguement your claim aserts love is with conditions

the condition in your arguement is being, presence, essence, source, love, god...redundency

your point to note your own redundancy goes against the simplicity of clearing all the "stuff"...

this quality of action towards clearing the "stuff" by the context of your rhetoric question contradicts your reason... ie "stuff" er go "How can we use the mind to grasp something with no conditions"...

As your newage cleverness fails you....
I hope you can gain insight to the "stuff" you must clear inorder to find the simplicity of your pursuits in discovering "Love" as defined by your "redundancy"..

I encourage you to look into the Logos of Christ, a philisophical option to find something you can ponder over an aspire to be more than a "banana"

I await for kindred spirits of christ...

[illuminati]

hmm

It is interesting that so many who lose faith in belief attempt to gain it thru the applications of their misundestandings to fabricate their own religion of spiritual belief, and then proclaim it as "NEW WISDOM" of a "NEW AGE".

[UntoldGlory]

There is nothing 'new' about the 'new age.' It is simply the rediscovery of ancient sources of wisdom that had been passed over during the modernist era.

From a Christian vantage point, I tend to see God's love as "that which fills the emptiness," both physical and spiritual. In Genesis, we are told that the cosmos was "darkness and void" before God's love initiated the act of creation. Emptiness is the one thing God will not tolerate; he will ultimately fill all things, "so that God may be all in all." The New Testament describes us as "new creations" in Christ. Just as the Spirit of God moved over the surface of the deep and began the act of creation, so too does the Spirit move in our lives. It comes upon a spiritual universe that is empty and dark and says "let there be light."

[Charity]

we understand balance and order to be seperate from peace...our peace is bliss with the creator...this relationship can not be experienced in it absoluteness in the kingdom of humanity...earth as we know it to be now.

I agree with this. I like that you are taking a philosophical approach to this. I too aspire to be with the Creator.
There is something in the Bible about how Jesus did not find a lasting home on Earth because he was not made for this world.

[illuminati]

thank you for partcipation..it has been refreshing...and so well put
may we continue on the path and continue to share the soft words of truth

charity
untold

[Avalon]

The contemplation of our ability to give love is also vital to our understanding of “unconditional love”. If you look at the works of Christ you will see that his role as a servant to mankind stems from his desire to do the work of his father so that mankind may fully receive and experience the love of God. Many times he said that he is only doing what he sees his father doing. He demonstrated his love for his fellow brethren and for God through his various works and through the sacrifice of his own life. It was through his ability to give love that he received grace.

Though love is so much more than an emotion there are emotions which are beneficial to mankind and inspire men to demonstrate acts of love towards fellow man. Compassion and empathy drive us towards acts of brotherly kindness, generosity and gentleness. If you see a child that is suffering isn't your first thought to comfort, console or make the childs suffering go away. Can one say that these inclinations are not driven by emotion. Christ himself demonstrated compassion for his fellow man . It is through our willingness to give love that boundless possibilities are created for those able to give it. Think of love as the gift that keeps on giving. When we dispose of negative emotions and replace them with positive emotions we enhance our ability to give and receive love on all levels, human and spiritual.

Unconditonal love is not being unattached from your fellow man or being amotional, but simply put, it is being able to give love without expecting anything in return, and being able to show kindness, compassion and gentleness towards everyone and having faith that the love you show to others will be shown to you. Hence, the notion love others as you love yourself. Self reflecting to self.

[justin]

Is this thread about christianity or love? I'd like to talk about love, but not christianity. Besides, this is a forum for indigos. Why would you post here and imply that only christians reply? This is not a christian website. If it were, I wouldn't be here. Love is seperate from religion. Religion is indocrination. Mind control. This would've have been a good thread if it were only about love and not christianity. I am a tad bit offended by this thread.

[Ven]

I'm afraid I am a little confused.

Is this a thread for Christians only? What exactly are you trying to discuss?

[illuminati]

Meat twinkie as you call yourself....

we all have bias..I just honest enough to sate mine.

therefore it was a christians perspective on love. you offense is only yours and you can articulate it in the future be simply not responding

it is not only a christian thread..not did it say only christians need to reply

we all as spirtualist have our own bias

[justin]

I can't articulate my offense if I don't respond. I wouldn't go to a christian website and write a post about free thinking and then ask that christians do not feel inclined to respond. That's rude. And that is exactly what you implied, whether you admit it or not. Your post is still there. I just read it again to make sure I wasn't mistaken. I won't post on here anymore. I'll leave it to your "kindred".

[Charity]

An argument in a topic titled 'Love is Love'? Let me try to ressurect this into the direction illuminati intended.

A famous quote is that faith, hope, and love are the good things He gave us and that the greatest is love.

[justin]

An argument in a topic titled 'Love is Love'? Let me try to ressurect this into the direction illuminati intended.

A famous quote is that faith, hope, and love are the good things He gave us and that the greatest is love.

good point. I'm not really trying to argue, though I'm sure it appears that way. It's just that I deal with christian bias all day everyday and it really, really makes my blood boil. I don't want to see christian threads start popping up here. They've taken over every other aspect of western civilization, at least give us one website. I know this is an open forum to share your point of view, no matter what it is. But, if I wanted to hear christian close-mindedness I would go to church. I was compelled to share my point of view.

[itzamna]

*coughs*

guys, what is "christianity"?

religion or firm?

[itzamna]

good point. I'm not really trying to argue, though I'm sure it appears that way. It's just that I deal with christian bias all day everyday and it really, really makes my blood boil. I don't want to see christian threads start popping up here. They've taken over every other aspect of western civilization, at least give us one website. I know this is an open forum to share your point of view, no matter what it is. But, if I wanted to hear christian close-mindedness I would go to church. I was compelled to share my point of view.

*admires*

[Graceful Red]

QUOTE=justin;124214]Is this thread about christianity or love? I'd like to talk about love, but not christianity. Besides, this is a forum for indigos. Why would you post here and imply that only christians reply? This is not a christian website. If it were, I wouldn't be here. Love is seperate from religion. Religion is indocrination. Mind control. This would've have been a good thread if it were only about love and not christianity. I am a tad bit offended by this thread.[/QUOTE]

Claiming that you're offended by someone putting into context what the content of a thread is aligned with (i.e. Christian dialogue) shows you're indoctrinated in your own beliefs...open your mind…hold your tongue…and simply join in or reserve your right to post your response.

Mind control?…huh…

It is not religion that controls the mind but those that are spiritually weak, unsure and uneducated that allow their minds to be manipulated by others. Please do not mistake weak-mindedness as a characteristic that details religion…this just shows your inability to understand the purpose and function it serves in people’s lives…where love is the key, not “separate” at all. Seems as if you've set a standard for various religious sects and their believers based on that of your own experiences...and in this moment, you have much to learn about humility and the understanding of another's beliefs…let alone wisdom of the religion itself.

I wish to ask why you quickly cast judgment upon an individual in their faith, and collectively group indigos as children who are not of God...where did you read or come to understand that Christians cannot be indigos, and vice versa? I wasn’t aware of this philosophy…please share.

But I do not believe that anyone is claiming this to be a Christian website…we are all here, bringing our own various ideas of spirituality, religion and beliefs to a forum of discussion so that we may find "truths"...share...teach...learn...grow...make one another aware and conscientious…

Some of us are Christians, some Buddhist…Jewish…Agnostic…Atheist…many more…
but all are here with and for a purpose.

You are certainly welcome to speak on the notion of love from any standpoint; however, your response here rather fills this post with negative, uninviting accusations on another’s system of belief...

quite the opposite of LOVE...


[/QUOTE]I can't articulate my offense if I don't respond. I wouldn't go to a christian website and write a post about free thinking and then ask that christians do not feel inclined to respond. That's rude. And that is exactly what you implied, whether you admit it or not. Your post is still there. I just read it again to make sure I wasn't mistaken. I won't post on here anymore. I'll leave it to your "kindred".[/QUOTE]

Maybe you should go to a Christian website and speak on your knowledge of free thinking...
and unfortunately it seems you know very little about the Christian faith if you think they cannot "think freely".

yes, please...leave it to us "kindred" ifyou feel it necessary...
however, I would like to hear your ideas of love as it applies to your logic...

share...

[Graceful Red]

*admires*

sucks that people cannot openly share their spirituality with those of like-mindedness...

i see it happen all the time on here...but when Christianity pops up...wow!

it's your choice (free will) to post a reponse or decline and join a conversation that suits your taste...

just because the title of Christianity appears should not be of reason for the doors criticism to open...chalk it up to your own bad experiences and relationships with possibly the wrong Christians...

maybe if everyone who isn't Christian sticks around, they'll find "truths" in the faith that suit their approval...