the lion, man, ox and eagle...

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most people apparently think these animals in the bible represent the character of jesus... but there are 4 fixed points in the sky the represent the Holy Cross, and they are: scorpio as the eagle, taurus the bull or ox, aquarius the man and leo the lion.
it makes you think doesnt it?
anyone else put these pieces together? i did a google search and of course, nothing.
it just like all the other astrology referrences in the bible. how come more people dont see this? becuz "astrology is the devil"? i think this is a very interesting piece to this puzzel.
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Those four animals are also on Key 10 in the tarot deck, The Wheel of Fortune. In case you didn't know, unlike in English where a letter is merely a symbol, the letters of the Hebrew alphabet (and there are 22) have meaning attached to them. Also, each of the keys in the Major Aracana are associated with one of these letters. The Hebrew letter corresponding to this key is Kaph C/K which means primarily "curve" (aka the wheel) Kaph is the hand of man in the act of grasping, as in to hold, to comprehend, to master.

I don't know what people people think as I am not religious, however, as you suggest they are in the Bible; namely they are the mystical animals mentioned in Ezekiel 1:10 and in Revelation 4:7. They correspond to the fixed signs of the Zodiac: the bull to Taurus, the lion to Leo, the eagle to Scorpio, the man to Aquarius. Interestingly enough the numbers of these signs in the zodiacal series add up to 26 (2, 5, 8 and 11) which is also the number of IHVH. These "living creatures" typify the fixed, eternal mode of the One Reality, which remains permanent. That which was, is, and shall be remains ever the same in itself, and the whole sequence of rotation events, evolution, goes on within it. On the card itself they, being fixed and permanent, contrast the wheel which symbolizes flux and reflux.

Much of the value in the Bible has been lost through centuries of tinkering with it by King's and the Church and of course how it was put together in the first place and a number of other factors.

Anyways, just thought I'd share this with you :) Have a fine day!
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thank you thank you thank you!! :) you just helped me in so many ways! you put it all together for me perfectly. i hope you have a fine day as well :)
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Genesis places Cherubim to guard the lost Eden, and the O.T. frequently refers to them as guardians of the divine glory. Two winged representations in gold were placed over the Ark of the Covenant; colossal figures of the same were also placed in the Sanctum Sanctorum of the Temple of Solomon. Cherub, suggests that the derivation of the word is from K, a particle of similitude, and RB or RUB, greatness, (master, majesty, and so an image of godhead.

But many other nations have displayed similar figures as symbols of deity for instance the Egyptians in their figures of Serapis. as Macrohius describes in his Saturnalia; the Greeks had their triple-headed Hecate she also is associated and depicted with all three animals, and the Latins had three-faced images of Diana, as Ovid tells us, ecce procul ternis Hecate variata figuris. Virgil also describes her in the fourth Book of the Eneid.

Porphyry and Eusebius write the same of Proserpine. The Vandals had a many-headed deity they called Triglaf. The ancient German races had an idol Rodigast with human body and heads of the ox, eagle, and man. The Persians have some figures of Mithras with a man’s body, lion’s head, and four wings. Add to these the Chimera Sphinx of Egypt, Moloch, Astarte of the Syrians, and some figures of Isis with Bull’s horns and feathers of a bird on the head. The ox represents strength, the lion is majesty, the eagle is mobility, all can be associated Jesus as well through the Four Evangelist of Jesus.

  • [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_the_Evangelist"]Matthew the Evangelist[/url], the author of the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_according_to_Matthew"]first gospel[/url] account is symbolized by a winged man, or angel. Matthew's gospel starts with Jesus' genealogy from [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham"]Abraham[/url]; it represents Jesus' [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarnation"]Incarnation[/url], and so Christ's [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human"]human[/url] nature. This signifies that Christians should use their reason for salvation.
  • [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_the_Evangelist"]Mark the Evangelist[/url], the author of the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_according_to_Mark"]second gospel[/url] account is symbolized by a winged [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion"]lion[/url] – a figure of courage and monarchy. Mark has [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Baptist"]John the Baptist[/url] preaching "like a lion roaring" at the beginning of his Gospel. It also represents Jesus' [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection"]Resurrection[/url] (because lions were believed to sleep with open eyes, a comparison with Christ in the tomb), and Christ as [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarch"]king[/url]. This signifies that Christians should be courageous on the path of salvation.
  • [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_the_Evangelist"]Luke the Evangelist[/url], the author of the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_according_to_Luke"]third gospel[/url] account (and the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_of_the_Apostles"]Acts of the Apostles[/url]) is symbolized by a winged [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle"]ox[/url] or bull – a figure of sacrifice, service and strength. Luke's account begins with the duties of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zechariah_%28priest%29"]Zacharias[/url] in the temple; it represents Jesus' [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrifice"]sacrifice[/url] in His Passion and Crucifixion, as well as Christ being High [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest"]priest[/url] (this also represents [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary,_mother_of_Jesus"]Mary's[/url] obedience). The ox signifies that Christians should be prepared to sacrifice themselves in following Christ.
  • [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Evangelist"]John the Evangelist[/url], the author of the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_according_to_John"]fourth gospel[/url] account is symbolized by an [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle"]eagle[/url] – a figure of the sky, and believed to be able to look straight into the sun. John starts with an eternal overview of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_the_Logos"]Jesus the Logos[/url] and goes on to describe many things with a "higher" level than the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synoptic_Gospels"]other three (synoptic) gospels[/url]; it represents Jesus' [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_of_Jesus_Christ"]Ascension[/url], and Christ's [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God"]divine nature[/url]. This represents that Christians should look on eternity without flinching as they journey towards their goal of union with God.
Each of the symbols is depicted with wings following the biblical sources first in [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Ezekiel"]Ezekiel[/url] 1-2, and in [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation"]Revelation[/url]. The symbols are shown with, or in place of, the Evangelists in early medieval [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_Book"]Gospel Books[/url], and are the usual accompaniment to [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_in_Majesty"]Christ in Majesty[/url] when portrayed during the same period, reflecting the vision in Revelations. They were presented as one of the most common motifs found on church [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_%28architecture%29"]portals[/url] and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apse"]apses[/url], as well as many other locations. When surrounding Christ, the figure of the man is usually at top left – above Christ's right hand, with the lion above Christ's left arm. Underneath the man is the ox and underneath the lion is the eagle. This both reflects the medieval idea of the order of "nobility" of nature of the beasts (man, lion, ox, eagle) and the text of Ezekiel 1.10. From the thirteenth century their use began to decline, as a new conception of Christ in Majesty, showing the wounds of the Passion, began to be used.Sometimes in Evangelist portraits they appear to dictate to the writing evangelist. All four evangelists are all Jesus's disciples.


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These animals also have a lot of hold in the Egyptian Parthenon too. Horus with the head of the Eagle and body of Man. So on and so forth. I think that if you study all of the religions you will find multitudes of parallels. So many in fact, that it makes the concept of different beliefs almost silly cause they teach practically the same thing.
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Funny I was just studying about something else right now and I remembered how Ezekiel was describing angels in more detail, so I thought I'd post this as well.
The prophetic vision of Ezekiel, it supplies at first hand almost all that can be known concerning the fearful form of the cherubim. The four living creatures that support the throne of God exhibited to Ezekiel a fourfold aspect; they had each the face of a man, the face of a lion, and the face of an ox; they also had the face of an eagle. They had each four wings; they had the hands of a man under their wings. "Two wings of every one were joined one to the other, and two covered their bodies." They were accompanied by wheels which "went upon their four sides, and they turned not when they went"; "and their whole body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and their wheels were full of eyes"; and the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning." Such is a concise description of their appearance as set forth in Ezekiel, they were also about 18ft tall!!!!!!
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and also John of Patmos writes of it in Revelation
Revelation 4:7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle.


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this ancient relic below is of an Assyrian Demon shown with more than 2 wings

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You are most welcome and I am glad to have been of some assistance :) Now I should get on writing my next TOD (Thought of the Day).... chow for now ;)
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