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They can help but you can get much higher without them. Plus they can easily become a crutch if you aren't careful, though I can say the same of any other spiritual practice.
Will
Looking for some views on what people think about drug use and how this affects enlightenment or spiritual growth. Positive and/or negative.
This could include views on prescription meds, cigs, alcohol and other recreational drugs.
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They can help but you can get much higher without them. Plus they can easily become a crutch if you aren't careful, though I can say the same of any other spiritual practice.
Will
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There are many views on drugs as a "help" or a "hinderance" to achieving enlightenment or spiritual growth.
My personal opinion is that while certain drugs can stimulate the senses; giving you glimpses of universal truths, that you can not achieve a permanent state of enlightenment or true spiritual growth from the drugs or other stimulants alone.
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Exactly! I believe that when we take drugs the brain is expanded momentarily, when we come back down the brain is damaged from the previous experience. I think that when we take drugs we are poisoning ourselves and to create the perpetual state of enlightenment we have to do it the long, hard way or else what are we learning along the way.Originally Posted by sshenry
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I agree too, but not only that, when you do come down, you have to cope with reality, all is not angels and fairies....you have to be strong and learn on your own if you want to make it in this world and fulfill your duty on Earth. You have that option of going through the good and the bad, or burning out on drugs to cope...they either become ineffective or a way of life, its our decision.
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I think it is fairly safe to conclude that the state of enlightenment is a careful mix of right neurotransmitters, which means that there should be a possibility to achieve it by chemical means hehe. Though not sure how to do it with current chemicals, maybe read through Tihkal or Pihkal or something
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Lots of drunks can give us experience and teach us of spiritual stuff, and it can lead to enlightenment but it isnt the only thing, read some of Carlos Castaneda, and a new good book DMT: the spirit molecule, the latter is research into DMT which is a drug made by the body and funily enough it is one of the worlds most illegal drugs! Yet it is 100% safe, none adictive and produces profound spiritual experiences, some say it is been banned so to stop us and chain us to this life, but i think they do help with spiritual experiences and should be used along side meditation and spiritual teachings not just the primary tool, but one of many!
Im jus waiting for this psychoactive cacti to be deliviered i ordered at the weekend
All great answers and I personally agree with all of them!
I also believe that many recreational drugs can greatly expand your consciousness and enable you to experience other states of existence, but only if they are respected and not abused. When not respected these substances can easily have the opposite effect and ground you so severely in the physical and force you to experience a barrage of negative energy that can be extremely overwhelming.
An eye opening experience for myself was several years ago when I thought growing my own magic mushrooms would be an interesting experience. I ingested a few with some friends and had the usual psychedelic trip with morphing visuals. Several years later when my awakening process began, I felt a sudden shift in my energy body and the flow of energy rushing from my feet to my head with my 3rd eye and crown chakras feeling like extremely tingly mats of pressure! I began to relax and breath deeply and I started to see everything in the same way like I did when I had ingested those mushrooms. Like everything was ALIVE and morphing and wavy. That was another one of my eye opening experiences that paved the way to my understanding of these others aspects of our being.
I now have quit using recreational drugs for the most part as I find them holding me back. I feel that my body is rejecting them and that I may have received what I needed from them. I feel that my energy is no longer increased by them, only severely decreased after they have run through my system. Basically, i started to feel all negative and no positive.
Having said that, I still enjoy puffing on my vaporizer once in a while!
does your personal opinion come from experience or just a thought?
okay, misconceptions about substances...there are lots of them.
mushrooms, lsd, dmt, most psyche-delic substances, alter your perception.
they allow you to experience yourself in a deeper sense.
because after all the mushrooms, the lsd, dmt and any other substance is already a part of you innately.
anyone who is considered crazy after them, is merely free.
anyone who is unstable after them, merely just need some inner adjustments and you'll be fine.
drugs and enlightenment....well...everything is already enlightened, and so are we. those who say they arent enlightened and are searching outside of themselves for their natural state of being are unconscious.
the propaganda behind the substances ,especially the information thats mainstream , is hardly worth the attention
whats worth the attention is the people who already are aware and use them recreationally.
you can learn from them if you're present within the experience.
but if you're somewhere else, if you're thinking about stuff and having a breakdown while you're on drugs, set and setting is most important. and during these evolving moments we're living through.
having knowledge about your being and how it all is, really helps too.
every experience is completly unique unto the person taking it, why?
be cause each being is unique unto themselves.
13 dimensions, multi dimensional beings.
any of you guys get it yet?
=/ I dont get it...13 dimensions, multi dimensional beings.
any of you guys get it yet?
But anyhow, i agree with you that you have to be of right mind taking them, and if anyone has read the books i have suggested especially; Carlos Castaneda: The teaching of Don Juan, it goes through his experiences and him being initiated into taking drugs and having the experience and you have to be of right mind don juan says, he is a indian teacher sorta thing... But yeh Drugs are good if you use them when your ready to learn!
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Carnage I have been reading about DMT and Ayahuasca alot lately. Most recently in Daniel Pinchbecks book, 2012 - The Return of Quezalcoatl. It does seem interesting and something I admit I might try if given the chance. I will look into the book you suggested.read some of Carlos Castaneda, and a new good book DMT: the spirit molecule, the latter is research into DMT which is a drug made by the body and funily enough it is one of the worlds most illegal drugs! Yet it is 100% safe, none adictive and produces profound spiritual experiences, some say it is been banned so to stop us and chain us to this life, but i think they do help with spiritual experiences and should be used along side meditation and spiritual teachings not just the primary tool, but one of many!
Im jus waiting for this psychoactive cacti to be deliviered i ordered at the weekend
I also have the sense that the attack on drugs IS an attack on our ability to access other states of consciousness with these substances to keep us totally grounded in the physical 3rd dimension!
Well it doesnt make sense with the attack on them being totally for no reason other then to stop us gaining out of body experience and sensations... because....
LSD / DMT - are nearly 99.9% harmless, they have no addictive like propoties nor do they affect the body in any detrimental affect, none which is not like a mystical experince or even an orgasm!!!
So i really dont see they they are both CLASS A drugs!?!?!
i never talked about mind in there.
its all about the heart.
when you use any substance , you can pretty much kiss your mind goodbye.
your heart actually does all the work
your brain just functions as an alchemical reaction processing unit within this realm.
Could you please explain how "Lots of drunks can give us experience and teach us spiritual stuff, and it can lead to enlightenment but it isnt the only thing,"? Only because I have never really understood alcohol that much. It has never affected me in positive ways, only negative.
I meant 'Drugs'
Sorry, i duno why i typed that >_<!
hah "drunks"! I thought I had overlooked the immense potential of being a drunk.
Ah i dont know i never have experienced anything out of this world really when being drunk, but then again i have been in a social environment where im always tlking or listening with music not really relaxed medatation kinda place but i doubt i would experience anything from the norm, though you do forta feel a lil out of body ness but thats prolly jus the alcohol on your nerves...
Starting too, I think. Need more time, or maybe, no time.
Hmm i keep hearing about we an exist in more then one dimension i have never really got the basis for this but even at meditation group i go to it came up so im pritty confused to what it really is...13 dimensions, multi dimensional beings.
any of you guys get it yet?
and also someone mentioned that on the crystal skulls thread about 13 dimensions.... =/
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