Some revelations about Jesus

[Amur]

Well, if we break down the cross, which became the very symbol for the whole corruption taking place (and Jesus died at it lol). We can break it down into + and -, it is basically + and - together. At first I thought that this symbolized so that Jesus died because of the duality existing (God/Nature(satan)) as depicted by too many christians and their ramblings. But then I thought that the cross is + and - combined which represents unity, so if Jesus died at the cross resembling unity then wtf. If the first is the real thing then I can accept it and can be a friend but if it's the latter then I would murder Jesus and Jehova on sight which is unfortunately probably the case.

But what do you think?

[xoxos]

i think i see evidence of recombinant analytical processes in your writing

you wanna piece o me boyo?? (j/k)


amur - thru a couple of posts my thought has been "this guy would probably enjoy the church of the subgenius.."

bob dobbs? ~someone took some 50's ad 'clip art' and made a cheesy 'ultimate salesman' cult out of it in the 70s.. where peewee herman (and a few other people like ivan stang) became well-known.

[Protonexus]

His death was supposed to represent the joining of the spirit and physical world. Through him, supposedly, our old karmic chains were shed and our souls cleansed of wrong. It's my opinion that Catholicism really did a number on Christianity, which was built on legitimite and clear ideals. Everything was rewritten to include the controls of the church and the house of the lord (which conveniently was built by those in power).

Many see betrayal in the acts of Judas. I see Judas as being bravest of all. He was recast a villain in most modern biblical interpretations. Jesus knew he had to die, he chose Judas to "betray" him to the soldiers. Not for the "silver coins" but for the love of his friend Jesus and the mission that his death would accomplish. Not because he thought Judas to be disloyal, rather that he was most loyal.

Jesus is supposed to represent unity and love. Unfortunately he is the justification of much division and murder.

[Amur]

i think i see evidence of recombinant analytical processes in your writing

you wanna piece o me boyo?? (j/k)


amur - thru a couple of posts my thought has been "this guy would probably enjoy the church of the subgenius.."

bob dobbs? ~someone took some 50's ad 'clip art' and made a cheesy 'ultimate salesman' cult out of it in the 70s.. where peewee herman (and a few other people like ivan stang) became well-known.

Nice pic Brings to mind some movie with a guy that looks a bit the same not sure which movie it was though... Even though I've got quite the friggin Jesus-syndrome myself I've never grown accustomed to long hair and like to keep it neat and tidy in some sense.

I'm quite grown accustomed to analytical process and logic in resolving this whole issue, as because of the human placebo function logic is the only ground-stone that I can really count on in these things. Intuition being the second that has never lied yet at any time (which I unfortunately went against for so many years banging my head into a concrete wall uargh).

Jesus is supposed to represent unity and love. Unfortunately he is the justification of much division and murder.

Even in the gospels I find very weird ramblings of things that aren't true at all which I find is quite bland and that cursing of the fig tree was totally out of line urgh... Anyway made alot of investigation into the whole matter and I suppose I'll leave it for some time and come back to it at a later time period with more wisdom and knowledge about matters... Apparently the whole thing had become an obsession for me as when I wrote that there was a part that squirmed against me that 'no I want to continue' which is of course a lie...

[Charity]

I do agree alot of wicked things have been done by man in the name of divinity. I also believe alot of good has been done in Jesus' name.
At the beginning the evil done was sired by revenge against the pagans for their persecutions. After Christianity was firmly established then the evils came from politics, corruption, and humanitie's desire to be right.

However, many hospitals and charities were established by these same Christians. A good example of Christianity's nature in practice is that some ancient works were burned, while others were only perserved due to the monks.
It's like if you play Rome Total War: Barbarian Invasion. The description for a Hermitage mentions that they want to get away from the world, but the world refuses to leave them alone.

[Amur]

You bring forth quite valuable points alltogether. There was alot of things the old monks did and copy books was one of them so they did do alot of valuable things that helped preserve knowledge. Can't wait to get healed enough to start reading old history again as it's starting to get more and more interesting all the time

[xoxos]

what do you think about solipsism?

[bluewaterdance]

I had to reread the definition on Wikipedia - but I would say that yes to some extent I can't be sure of the reality outside my own mind. But it would be really boring and narrow to never include external reality

[xoxos]

But it would be really boring and narrow to never include external reality

if you are experiencing your experiences, are you sure they are external? :P

[bluewaterdance]

not 100% sure. but if I attempt to be a bit empiricist at times - I think I might occasionally encounter a piece something that didn't come from my own mind. Not a guarantee but a non-zero probability.

[xoxos]

..occasionally you may have heard some expression to the extent that wisdom is founded in admitting how little one actually knows..

[Charity]

That's from Socrates. I love philosophy. Paul used Socrates to preach to the Greeks you know. Constantinople was also the capital of the Eastern half of the empire and many notable figures such as John Chrysotom & Nestorius (Nestorian "heresay") were bishops there. I apologize for any name mispellings.

[Quiet Knight]

His death was supposed to represent the joining of the spirit and physical world. Through him, supposedly, our old karmic chains were shed and our souls cleansed of wrong. It's my opinion that Catholicism really did a number on Christianity, which was built on legitimite and clear ideals. Everything was rewritten to include the controls of the church and the house of the lord (which conveniently was built by those in power).

Many see betrayal in the acts of Judas. I see Judas as being bravest of all. He was recast a villain in most modern biblical interpretations. Jesus knew he had to die, he chose Judas to "betray" him to the soldiers. Not for the "silver coins" but for the love of his friend Jesus and the mission that his death would accomplish. Not because he thought Judas to be disloyal, rather that he was most loyal.

Jesus is supposed to represent unity and love. Unfortunately he is the justification of much division and murder.

Often at Church in Gospel and Priesthood classes, when dicussing the areas about Judas. I have always felt he was not being protrayed in the proper light. That he did what he needed to do, to serve the Lord.

Recently I saw a show on Judas, and it bears out what I always felt and sensed, even though nobody around did, or at least if they did, they did not speak up. I showed the show to my wife the other day, and she said, yes, that has been my opinion as well.

The show talked about the fact that the later the book of the 4 Gospels were writen, them more it showed Judas in a bad light; the first made not mention, and the last protrayed him as very evil. They think it was political at the time, the new Christians were trying to distance themselves from the Jews, to exscape the wrath of Rome or something.

But recently they have found and translated the Episle of Judas, it shows a devote follower and apostle of Christ. And that he was the most aware of Christ and who he was, and knew what Christ was here for. So he was called by God to be the the one to betray Christ. But it was not an act of evil, but out of love and sacrafice to help the Savior full fill his mission.

If you do the research and prayers, you will find that Rome did not know what to do with Christians, to control them, they formed a State Church. There by legalizing Christianity, and putting their people at the head. They mixed in some Christianity, and some pagan ceremonies to make everyone happy.

With that said, one has to realize then, that the Catholic Church does not cannot show a clear direct priesthood line of Authority back to Christ, or even any one of the 12 Apostles. In the Bible, it says first their must be a falling away, then a restoration. So which Church today is like the Church of Christ, when Christ was on the Earth. So if restored, then it could not be one of the protistant churches which desended from the Catholic Church. To be retored, means brought back. The Bible says talks too, about not place new wine in a old skin, this adds to the idea, it could not be anything desended from the Catholic Church.

I once read a talk by a Catholic Priest, who said, if we are right, all is well and good, but if the Mormons, The Church of Jesus Chirst of latter day Saints is right, we are wrong and the Protistants have no leg to stand on.

If you understand the Bible too, the restored Church would also be Israelite in nature, but with Apostles, Phropets, no paid minsitry, a active world wide missionary program, and etc, and Christ at the helm.

[Graceful Red]

Well, if we break down the cross, which became the very symbol for the whole corruption taking place (and Jesus died at it lol). We can break it down into + and -, it is basically + and - together. At first I thought that this symbolized so that Jesus died because of the duality existing (God/Nature(satan)) as depicted by too many christians and their ramblings. But then I thought that the cross is + and - combined which represents unity, so if Jesus died at the cross resembling unity then wtf. If the first is the real thing then I can accept it and can be a friend but if it's the latter then I would murder Jesus and Jehova on sight which is unfortunately probably the case.

But what do you think?

May I ask what the purpose of this thread is - to bash or in fact learn more of Christ as represented through the symbol of the cross? Seems as if you're making assumptions...

and assuptions lead to expectations...expectations to dissapointment...

Your words are piercing...however, they come from ignorance and should be taken lightly, as they have certainly fallen upon these ears.

Do you honestly recognize the "balance" of good and evil as a parallel of God vs Nature? You say nature is = to Satan in the eyes of many Christians but I fail to have experienced these "ramblings", for I myself am a Christian and make no connection between Mother Earth and Satan, nor have I ever been taught this concept. Please share so I can better understand this view point.


To say you yourself would shoot Jesus (upon assumptions)...speaks volumes!!

wow...

[Charity]

I do not think Amur is bashing Christianity. He just has an interpretation that may be different from some.

Amur, you said you would like to learn about the history of the Church? I suggest you read some of the writers that were alive when what is now known as the Catholic Church had it's beginnings. There is an excellant site that has texts whose copyrights expired. It contains both Christian and non-Christian writings.

[goddess_in_embryo]

There are many days that we sincerely hope that Jesus really is coming back and that he will vaporize everyone who ever did/said stupid crap in his name. In fact, we hope that every deity/person that ever promised to come back, comes back and does exactly that. Vaporize the stupid people who twisted perfectly valid belief systems into machinations of hate and bigotry.

Then the rest of us can live in harmony and peace.

[Charity]

I think Jesus would forgive them. One of the pinnacles, if not the highest peak of Christianity is the doctrine of forgiveness.

[goddess_in_embryo]

Oh, we're sure he would too... but it would be nice to get rid of the people who do that sort of thing. Besides, the Bible also says there can be no mercy without justice. So, even if he did forgive them... it would still be his right to do with them as he saw fit. Just because you forgive someone, doesn't mean that they get a freebie on hurting you or those you love.

[xoxos]

really is coming back and that he will vaporize everyone who ever did/said stupid crap in his name.

you can build a vaporiser out of a cheap soldering iron, a light dimmer switch, glass jar and rubber hose.

it takes a while to drill through the glass tho

machinations of hate and bigotry.

there the analogy get complicated

goddess - if you're still offering channeling, and can handle groups, would you have a look at my "shadow"? perhaps an alternate vantage might offer some progress, i haven't been able to get too far with her.

piccie of me here
http://www.perimetersound.com/e107_f...k_alliance.jpg
voice here
http://www.xoxos.net/music/freeware.mp3

if those sort of things help to get in touch.

enjoy, and be careful. she has a gang of stinkers dragging her down.

[goddess_in_embryo]

We'll try to work on it. Right now our body still has this kidney infection. But, we'll get to it as soon as we can.