Demoting Jesus

[Amur]

I hereby demote Jesus Christ from being King of Kings to being a simple impeccable human being that lived the perfect life as an example for the rest of humanity, the example was that anyone can do the same thing regardless of nation, creed or 'race'.

The example is not found as much in the Scriptures as it is found WITHIN you. You know the way already so you might want to stop searching outside and start searching within....

Peace!

**Edit note: I forgot to mention the very important thing that anyone can start it doing it RIGHT NOW, and I can assume that there is a very huge reward to those who have strayed far from the path and still make it right through Grace, if there was a concept of sin it should be replaced with Grace as that is the way of authentic old Human Love that most seem to have forgotten at the ending era of Kali Yuga. Those who are unable to start there is a lot of help coming for you since We Love you All....

[MiamiSound]

How DARE you demote jesus. Dont you know the things he has done? The places hes been? The waters hes walked? I will not have this kind of blasphemy in my range of senses! You need a good old fashioned bible belting, yeah. Thats right. I went there. I went there said some prayers and came back already.

[h0bby1]

!!!!! =) =) Omfg

[sLiPpY]

now where's mah' stake, me wood, me latern oil...rope n' match!?!?

oh, Amur! come hither! we gotz' a present for joo!

[xoxos]

going to school in tucson (from britain) there was this mexican guy who kept shouting for his friend in between classes...

"hey zeus!!"

i was pretty impressed - why anyone would name their kid after a greek diety is beyond me.

"hey zeus!!"

oc eventually i figured out this wasn't what he was saying..

[h0bby1]

i would love ppl to call me zeus ! i will name my child jesuzeus

[xoxos]

i would love ppl to call me zeus ! i will name my child jesuzeus

and their child jumping h. bejesuzeus keeeeerist

btw - i recommend making little animals out of plasticine instead of having children.

[Quiet Knight]

I hereby demote Jesus Christ from being King of Kings to being a simple impeccable human being that lived the perfect life as an example for the rest of humanity, the example was that anyone can do the same thing regardless of nation, creed or 'race'.

The example is not found as much in the Scriptures as it is found WITHIN you. You know the way already so you might want to stop searching outside and start searching within....

Peace!

**Edit note: I forgot to mention the very important thing that anyone can start it doing it RIGHT NOW, and I can assume that there is a very huge reward to those who have strayed far from the path and still make it right through Grace, if there was a concept of sin it should be replaced with Grace as that is the way of authentic old Human Love that most seem to have forgotten at the ending era of Kali Yuga. Those who are unable to start there is a lot of help coming for you since We Love you All....

I am troubled, that you demote my Savior and older brother, who paid the greatest sacrifice to save us all, if we repent and come to him. I don't know about you and others, but I have a personal spiritual relationship daily with him through the Holy Spirit. I feel his presence and existence, and know that he is. Notice, I did not think, or hope, I said I know. When you reach a certain spiritual level you can gain a testimony of that fact.

There is only one God, one faith, and one hope, to save us all.

I don't know if you like to start fights, but you and some others seem very rude and manipulative. I believe in every ones form of God, because there was in the begining only one, so we all have the same God in essence, but time has eroded the similarities of the truth.

I would never be so bold and rude and abusive to tell someone their God or Savior is not, though I might share what I believe is truth.

I find only one reason, for such behavior by you, or anyone who does similar, to cause contention and fights. I know only one author of such, Satan, Lucifer, and those who work in darkness. It seems that people here need to stand up and protect themselves from those like you. Everyone has a right to express themselves, but not to start contention and disruption. You remind me of those in scripture who were deceived by the dark-side and knew it not, and went about preaching false doctrine until they were smitten down by the Lord in someway or another. You are like someone who would yell fire in a crowed building, just to see people panic and trample themselves to death.

It would of been better if one had never been born, then to lead one of the innocent little ones astray.

[h0bby1]

christian god and christian spirituality is far to be only god and belief that lead to enligthment etc =) if you only believe in one religion, one god you are doomed to me =) knowledge do not belong to one belief or one god =) its only by keeping yourself opened to most of them than you can go forward =) and i don't think demoting jesus will provoke any fighting here lol freewill and self belief is the master key point !

[raztaz12]

Mormons are not Christians....

However, that isn't really the point. I do not personally believe in Christ in the Christian sense. I believe Christ showed us how to save ourselves throw his EXAMPLE, not by his Act. Christ=Crystal. Kundalini awakening = garden of gethsamane.

[Quiet Knight]

You can debate that all you want, but truth is truth. God is one, his truth is one, Satan divides. God would not make more then one path to him, but Satan would, so some will not find their way home.

But then anyone, not connected to the correct source, is not going to see what I am saying, so I guess my points are futile, and it would be like talking to a ??? I was going to say newborn, or dumb animal, but then even they know who their creator is.

Just because one thinks things are not, does make it so.

[h0bby1]

god vs satan is quite a simple view on things =)

[Synchronistic_Someone]

Personally I do not know anyone here, true I am new here...and have not read many..of the very many threads here also, but do find this thread .

[xoxos]

quiet knight -

fyi amur has been "ripping xianity a new one" in just about everythnig he's posted here since i arrived

if you wish to present an "alternative opinion for other readers," g'head.. i'm just saying.. i don't think you're going to make any headway with amur. he's a wall on this.

give him a couple of years to work through whatever he's going through.


years ago, i was the same way.. targeting christianity, online tirades.. today, my favourite musicians are professed HARDCORE christians.. i am still not a christian.. at all.. i have only learned to understand what they say in a different way (and imo.. these musicians have a wider erudition than christianity.. an understanding that transcends faiths and labels)

[Quiet Knight]

Mormons are not Christians....

However, that isn't really the point. I do not personally believe in Christ in the Christian sense. I believe Christ showed us how to save ourselves throw his EXAMPLE, not by his Act. Christ=Crystal. Kundalini awakening = garden of gethsamane.

I though you were more insightful and understanding then that, and where did this venon come from. And why attack my way of life and religion, did I attack you first. You should not judge me and my church, from what happened to you growing up, you should not send out displaced anger, it drives the spirit away, any anger does.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints, the Mormon Church.
We believe in God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost, and that Christ is our only Savior. We believe in the Bible as translated correctly, so we have other scriptures from other tribes of the House of Israel to add to it.

We have a Prophet and 12 Apostles at the head of our church, and we have the Holy priesthood of God, the same that Christ and the Apostles had while on the Earth.

How many would come openly to our church to join, if they were not deterred by propaganda from all sides trying to put us down; if the only thing they heard about us, was that the Lords Church, like it was on the Earth when Christ was here, was on the Earth again.

When people say and believe things, they must realize either I am right, or they are right, but we both can't be right, it is a natural law in the universe; like up and down, dead and alive, or you are either pregnant or you are not. Most things have no gray areas, either it is, or it is not; it is light or it is dark.

[Quiet Knight]

quiet knight -

fyi amur has been "ripping xianity a new one" in just about everything he's posted here since i arrived

if you wish to present an "alternative opinion for other readers," g'head.. i'm just saying.. i don't think you're going to make any headway with amur. he's a wall on this.

give him a couple of years to work through whatever he's going through.


years ago, i was the same way.. targeting christianity, online tirades.. today, my favorite musicians are professed HARDCORE christians.. i am still not a christian.. at all.. i have only learned to understand what they say in a different way (and imo.. these musicians have a wider erudition than christianity.. an understanding that transcends faiths and labels)

Often I don't see eye to eye with you, but I don't throw it in your face at every turn. I know I should not let those like amur put a bur under my saddle so to speak. I guess I don't like his arrogance, and those who used to put me down years ago. I was not trying to change him, but often I write to form balance in what is being said, the law of opposites.

[xoxos]

so to speak

i read of some of the trials of your life.. amur.. up in finland.. i am sure sometimes he feels like the world is passing by and he is tucked away in a corner.. given all of the strife in the world that he must feel unable to prevent (! )

..he has found an outlet in speaking against christianity. while i often agree (in regards to institutions of ~any nature..) ...i think a lot of his feeling is just finding an outlet as such.

the days of jerry falwell and the moral majority are over.. from outside the u.s., it's easy to blame christianity and bush as one.. "all those dumb americans voted for him because of their religion.."

"it's usually not me someone is attacking, but what i represent to them.."

i think he is really just lashing out.

one day, we'll all move on to more productive thnigs than blame and head bashing

[xoxos]

http://indigosociety.com/room-t7962.html

an ancient parable common to many cultures...

"what is in the room?"

from our middle eastern friend

[Quiet Knight]

My best friend is of the Mormon faith and I have gone many a time to his church and even to the pageant that is performed in Palmyra, NY - it was wonderful (even those anger Baptists that yelled at us on the way in) - it is a beautiful faith with beautiful people - but do I believe in it? No, but I do respect his belief's - if he wants to have a conversation on spirituality I do, same as if we wanted to talk about women

This part right here I am disappointed to read though, especially coming from who I consider to be a wise person:



So everything is in black and white to you my friend? That is sad because it limits and narrows your views very much.
-There's nothing in between being up or down? How do you get to the up when you are down then?
-When my grandma was lying on her death bed, and her legs started to 'marble' (which means they were dead and turning purple), and there was no turning around from that, was she still alive? At what point was she really dead? When the heart stopped beating? Isn't their still brain activity for a few moments or so after that?
-Light or dark? I have seen many shades of both - sit outside for a couple of hours, you will see what I mean.

Ok, I can understand that you probably said this because your belief's say there is only one path to God and the devil confuses you by making you think there are others - I can respect that.

My beliefs came from before I became a Latter day Saint/Mormon. Joining was a the end of a trek, not the beginning of one. I joined because I felt the spirit of God there, and what they believed was what I already believed from my studies and from what I remembered as what was familiar of what I knew before coming to this Earth. The Holy Ghost bears testimony of truths already learned, it helps us seek our level, if we stay tuned to it.

If you consider me a wise person, why do you back away from what I say now? I am either wise or I am not, no betweens, I am or I am not. It is like Yoda's words to Luke Skywalker, either do or do not.

It is you who don't understand, straight is the way, and narrow the path that leads to God and salvation. By walking in the light, in time I inherit all that God has, and become like God, how can that be limited. I have more freedom then most, free from drugs, from sin, free from many things that inflict many in the world. Free to really see what is reality.

[raztaz12]

Im not attacking anyone's church... mormons are not christians. Christians believe that christ and god are one... mormons believe that the holy ghost, christ and heavenly father are 3 separate beings. Based on my own research the mormon church is completely corrupt and evil. That is my belief. I believe with my entire woul that the LDS church is of the Devil. Why are there 6 piers on each temple? not 3? just one little thing. I can keep going all day long with points against mormonism... points for or against i know quite a bit about it. I know how to defend and how to destroy it. It makes my positions stronger.

If you believe in mormonism (as does ALL of my 150 IMMEDIATE family members) then props to you for finding something that works for you. Just dont be so blind to the fact that every church is corrupt, mormonism is no exception.