Should One eat meat?

[positivetruthintent]

Question:
If One is enlightened or on a higher level of consciousness; should One eat meat?

Response:
If One is enlightened or on a higher level of consciousness; would One need to ask the question…

Question Revised:
Should One eat meat?

Responses:
With regards to eating meat;
1. what is One’s intent?
2. are One’s actions the result of selflessness and Love?
3. are One’s actions the result of social programming?
4. are One’s thoughts, words and actions Positive?
5. what is the Truth of the matter?

Summary:
By way of conscious Love, Truth and Positive Intent, One can answer this question for Oneself and not rely on others opinions. I recommend this conscious course of action.

Sentient - Pronunciation[sen-shuhnt] –adjective
1. having the power of perception by the senses; conscious.
2. characterized by sensation and consciousness.
–noun
3. a person or thing that is sentient.
4. Archaic. the conscious mind.

The English word “Sentient” is of Latin origin “Sentire,” which is defined as such;
to feel, perceive; to experience, feel the force of a thing; to realize a truth; to hold an opinion, judge, suppose.


Additional thoughts to ponder; by way of conscious Love, Truth and Positive Intent:
1. Is One’s life, One’s sentient BEing, worth more than another?
2. Would you eat your pet (i.e. your dog, cat, fish, bird, etc.)?
3. How many years would you have to live with an animal before loving it enough to not take its life for food?
4. Would you eat meat if you were forced to do the killing yourself?
5. It is easy to eat meat, as it is sold nearly everywhere; in large, it is deemed socially acceptable to eat meat, as it is done in commercials, cartoons and its promotion can be found in nearly all forms of media. The question is, because something is socially acceptable; does that make it okay or justifiable within the parameters of Love, Truth and Positive Intent? In large, slavery was socially acceptable.
6. Do animals have souls? [See my position below]

Do animals have souls?
A soul, which is sometimes referred to as a “holy spirit,” is an absolute energy, analogous to absolute Truth.

One’s soul is parallel to One’s consciousness level, which varies in many ways, some of which are type (e.g. physical, emotional), and depth (to what extent One's consciousness is able to take them), and/or a combination thereof. An animal’s soul is identical in every way to the human “body-soul relationship;” including various levels of presence, i.e. consciousness, strength or ubiquity. -GZ

[lillies1978]

hm...i think i would ask "is eating meat natural for humans" ...but i do wonder about the spiritual/karma aspect of it a lot! great post!

[Onlooker]

The reason I don't eat meat/dairy is because I don't agree with the industry, I don't think human life is worth more than animal life, and it isn't necessary for my health - physical or spiritual; I believe we absorb everything we eat, which includes the animal's dosed anti-biotics, hormones, then their fear/adrenaline & emotion when they're slaughtered.
The usual response from people is "well if you were starving...", which isn't very likely in the Western world, but if I was, I'd eat freshly dead people before I ate an animal.

[Valrius Maelekstraz]

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[bluewaterdance]

There have been a few threads about vegetarianism on IS. I think how we use planetary resources ought to be s be a conscious, ethical decision. I don't think its up to any person to decide for another what their ethical choice "should" be.

[Onlooker]

There have been a few threads about vegetarianism on IS. I think how we use planetary resources ought to be s be a conscious, ethical decision. I don't think its up to any person to decide for another what their ethical choice "should" be.

Youre right, I don't recall much of that going on but it's pointless anyway.. when my ex gave up meat our families had the attitude of "oh you finally got to him then", thing is, if I'd have bullied him into it (it was nothing to do with me), he'd only go to work and eat a bacon sandwich anyway, and lie to me

[positivetruthintent]

There have been a few threads about vegetarianism on IS. I think how we use planetary resources ought to be s be a conscious, ethical decision. I don't think its up to any person to decide for another what their ethical choice "should" be.

Emotionally, and at the core of my humanity, it saddens me to hear you refer to Life as a resource. Additionally, that is a very cavalier stance for One who has sought out Truth and Positivity on a website such as Indigo Society. I hope that you will take the time within yourself to re-evaluate your statement and position. If you so choose, consider the term selfless, and ALL it entails, during your thoughts.

No, it is not "up to any person to decide for another what their ethical choice should be." However, that neither makes One's personal choices correct, right, righteous or just; nor does it make their intent positive, truthful or loving. This can only be achieved, in whole, by True consciousness.

As One who is able to see absolutes, Love, Truth and Positive Intent, I hope that for your benefit, as well as mine, you will reconsider your statement.

If by chance you have mis-communicated your position, I would then suggest in positivity, to be mindful of your words, as should we all, and intend on "saying what we mean, and meaning what we say."

We must each be responsible for our perpetuation of an old way of thinking; Negative, wrong, or incorrect thoughts, words and actions. -Because we do not understand why something is wrong, that does not make it right. -Because we believe something to be right, or have been taught as such, that does not make it so. -Eventually, as a conscious Being, One must make an evaluation of ALL they know and why they know it and to what accord these thoughts and ideas resonate with Love, Truth and Positive Intent.

Gregg Zimmerman

Resource [re•source] –noun

1. a source of supply, support, or aid, esp. one that can be readily drawn upon when needed.
2. resources, the collective wealth of a country or its means of producing wealth.
3. Usually, resources. money, or any property that can be converted into money; assets.

[positivetruthintent]

Thank you all for taking the time to read this post!

Although One might reasonably categorize this post as Vegetarianism, I myself avoid categorizing or lumping my beliefs with groups, restricting labels, or broadly defined belief systems; which is neither an insinuation of their negative, nor positive intent.

This post was written with positive intent, as to create conscious, mindful discussion and promote awareness.

I hope each of you will have an amazing journey, and resound in conscious Love, Truth and Positive Intent.

[Break]

These are my thoughts on the matter, I don't expect anyone to really agree with me however.

First off, I would think that in the times before domestication of animals like cows or chickens, that man hunting the meat was something done but I suppose they did make it ritualistic in the sense that, it was a communal effort by the males of the pack, I'd suppose, and they'd hunt the boar or whatever and bring it back and it'd be for the village. And whoever would clean it, prepare it, and cook it, and the village would eat boar that night. Certainly not every night. And I'd imagine it was appreciated and they were aware that this animal gave up its life to help another life. I would say being aware and giving thanks to the animal would be a great help in even digesting the food. And to be honest, if I were an animal and was going to die either way, I'd rather be eaten by a human or animal than rot in the sun or something. To serve something that would potentially benefit all of life.

The sad thing with our cultures and society is we have placed such a high demand on meat that we really are over consuming. And these animals are living in such poor conditions and people say, "Well, they'd die anyway!" And yes, they would but they're being born for that also. The demand is there. I certainly don't think eating meat is bad, but I think the meat we eat is bad for various reasons.

I often hear people say that meat makes them sick suddenly after becoming more enlightened, I guess. And I'm sure then, one is aware of energy. Negative and positive. So I have to wonder if you are sick because you are eating the meat of an animal who suffered start to finish and that's what you are so sensitive to. If you had eaten the meat of an animal that was free to roam and graze and live a normal life and died a quick painless death - not in front of other animals - at a good age, would you feel sick? And also if you were to be fully aware and fully grateful of the life you are being given through these meat, would that help?

Has anyone seen the movie, King Korn, by any chance? >:

[Quiet Knight]

I do not eat meat, but at this level of need and priority, it is not needful or wanted. If push came to shove, I would eat meat to save my life, or the lives of my family, friends and neighbors, and kill to get it, if that was the only choice left open to me.

I believe that killing should not be taken likely. I believe all things on the earth have been place here for our use, but the sin comes in using it when it is not need or used to excess. Of course excess has its own punishments, no matter what you over consume, just as the under consumption of something your mind, body or spirit needs to survive.

I don't eat flesh too, as my body does not do well with it, all forms of flesh has it negative effect on my body. I also don't like the way it makes me feel, besides what it does to me in the long term.

I don't like the meat industry, is all about profit and nothing about really providing a good product and service. I know that one absorbs the toxins and hormones and chemicals they feed them. Plus animals in trauma have death/fear hormones.

I find that flesh is an addictive stimulant, and the more you consume it beyond a few ounces a day on the average. The more you hold in toxins in your body, which you need to flush out on a continual basis. When I am cleansing, the toxins get to be too much, I only have to consume some eggs or diary to slow it down, or to stop it.

And this does not even get into the alkaline/acid balance disturbance from eating too much animal protein, which is the cause of most degenerative diseases, which many thing are just the passage we much pass through, as we age, but it is not so. The government won't tell you so, because too many business are making money off of everyone ill health and diseases.

I have found that the less animal flesh ones eats, the cleaner the body stays. I find that meat eaters tend to me more aggressive and violet, but that is not to say, all are, just a general observation.

When you over consume anything, you are not only breaking laws of nature, but also spiritual laws, which many times have just as significance effects.

For me, the Lord has cautioned me to not partake of it, and I only eat dairy and eggs very sparingly a few times a month, when eating out, or I really am craving it. My body react to both, but if sparingly, does not cause any real problems.

Beef and some other animal commercial production is a great waste of earthly resources and very polluting. If the food going to animals was devoted to humans, there would be no hunger anywhere in the world. But then too, much of that even present day, if caused by man and his ways, not nature and God's.

[Earthbound]

If you have not seen the documentary "Earthlings", you must. It puts everything in prospective of how us humans "use" animals from pets for our enjoyment,entertainment,food,clothing,game & hunting,etc. It compares us humans to the Nazi's of how selfish we humans are. It completely opened my eyes to what I had never thought about. If you think about it, all animals are really controlled by us humans. They cant just roam free and live w/out us controlling them. They are killed,eaten,in zoos, dumped in humane societies and then euthanized if "we dont want them", living in little pens and beaten and then forced to a slaughter so we can all eat a buger or hotdog. What a life that must be.Maybe a few pigs and a few cows may get lucky and get kept as a pet if someone decides and they will still live in a pen or within a fence.
In general humans are on top of the food chain so we control everything, but whats so said all the grains and plants that could feed us.

[Break]

Beef and some other animal commercial production is a great waste of earthly resources and very polluting. If the food going to animals was devoted to humans, there would be no hunger anywhere in the world. But then too, much of that even present day, if caused by man and his ways, not nature and God's.

The cows are being fed corn... the entire everything about corn. But the corn that is grown, the same kind a lot of farmers grow, the farmers won't even eat. It's sent to be made into like high fructose corn syrup and a bunch of other stuff. And the poor cows are getting fed that because it's cheap but it's terrible for them, gives them stomach ulcers and more. So it'd kill them anyway if they weren't slaughtered. But the corn giving to cows would not feed a human. Just sayin' on that one bit.

[bluewaterdance]

I thought a post was an open invitation to share perspectives. If that is not what you seek, please clarify.

I feel we are all interconnected living things plants and animal - we share the same limited matter on earth. If it makes you feel any better - I consider myself a resource too on this physical plane. I have nursed babies and been the blood supply for countless mosquitos. Although existence has many planes - the physical one has certain constraints.

I very much believe that ethics are a matter of personal choice - that is central to my worldview. It probably influences my definition of Indigo as well - people wiling to think through assumptions and beliefs and not take them lightly. If you are one of those people who thinks there is one truth that we all need to abide by, then we will most likely remain in conflict.

Emotionally, and at the core of my humanity, it saddens me to hear you refer to Life as a resource. Additionally, that is a very cavalier stance for One who has sought out Truth and Positivity on a website such as Indigo Society. I hope that you will take the time within yourself to re-evaluate your statement and position. If you so choose, consider the term selfless, and ALL it entails, during your thoughts.

No, it is not "up to any person to decide for another what their ethical choice should be." However, that neither makes One's personal choices correct, right, righteous or just; nor does it make their intent positive, truthful or loving. This can only be achieved, in whole, by True consciousness.

As One who is able to see absolutes, Love, Truth and Positive Intent, I hope that for your benefit, as well as mine, you will reconsider your statement.

If by chance you have mis-communicated your position, I would then suggest in positivity, to be mindful of your words, as should we all, and intend on "saying what we mean, and meaning what we say."

We must each be responsible for our perpetuation of an old way of thinking; Negative, wrong, or incorrect thoughts, words and actions. -Because we do not understand why something is wrong, that does not make it right. -Because we believe something to be right, or have been taught as such, that does not make it so. -Eventually, as a conscious Being, One must make an evaluation of ALL they know and why they know it and to what accord these thoughts and ideas resonate with Love, Truth and Positive Intent.

Gregg Zimmerman

Resource [re•source] –noun

1. a source of supply, support, or aid, esp. one that can be readily drawn upon when needed.
2. resources, the collective wealth of a country or its means of producing wealth.
3. Usually, resources. money, or any property that can be converted into money; assets.

[Quiet Knight]

The cows are being fed corn... the entire everything about corn. But the corn that is grown, the same kind a lot of farmers grow, the farmers won't even eat. It's sent to be made into like high fructose corn syrup and a bunch of other stuff. And the poor cows are getting fed that because it's cheap but it's terrible for them, gives them stomach ulcers and more. So it'd kill them anyway if they weren't slaughtered. But the corn giving to cows would not feed a human. Just sayin' on that one bit.

What I meant, was that farmers grow food, which could feed people, instead animals. That does not mean, they have to grow the same types of food products now for animals.

[Patryc]

good info here everyone

thanks for the thread

most animals that are bred for production are also stuck with all sorts of needles to prevent viruses and disease / parasites which are all absorbed into the meat and guess what you get a belly full of. I find if I am not eating meat I have a lot more energy. Meat makes me sleepy.

[jsps13]

Oh... you're one of those that use the word "love" too much...

I wouldn't use the word should, but the word can, instead.

YES, one can eat meat, it is good for the soul, body and overall happiness

[TheRavenMother]

Yes and two can too if they like.

[jsps13]

Yes and two can too if they like.

Ha ha, why not three? By four we'll have a party!

[positivetruthintent]

I thought a post was an open invitation to share perspectives. If that is not what you seek, please clarify.

I feel we are all interconnected living things plants and animal - we share the same limited matter on earth. If it makes you feel any better - I consider myself a resource too on this physical plane. I have nursed babies and been the blood supply for countless mosquitos. Although existence has many planes - the physical one has certain constraints.

I very much believe that ethics are a matter of personal choice - that is central to my worldview. It probably influences my definition of Indigo as well - people wiling to think through assumptions and beliefs and not take them lightly. If you are one of those people who thinks there is one truth that we all need to abide by, then we will most likely remain in conflict.

When posting a message, I dedicate a great deal of thought and filter my words, ideas and intentions to be certain they meet my ‘absolute requirement;’ in other words, I make sure my intent does not violate, Love, Truth and Positive Intent; by way of consciousness.

In response, posting a message to a public forum could result in many ways; it is surely an invitation for positive feedback, positive perspectives, positive discussions, positive opinions, defined absolutes, positive consciousness-stimulation, and so on. It is not, however, within positive conscious bounds to perpetuate, in any form, Negativity, Truthlessness, Lovelessness, Thoughtlessness, consciousless hate, violence, and the like Negative energies; particularly when in relation to Indigo Society, which I understand to be an intended positive forum for those who are changing ALL with True realization and absolute knowledge; those interested in being a part of that process; or those hoping to attain the same level.

I was given a gift and I am consciously using it; people don’t always understand but I see ideas, potentials, energies, emotions, and absolutes that seemingly most others are unable, or choose not to see. My intent is pure, positive, absolute and selfless; Love and Truth are a boundless mode of transportation.

I hope that people use conscious thought, or at least intend on it, when reading through any post or taking in any information; then by way of a conscious filter, “LT+PI,” recognize what is absolute, Positive or Negative, and Truth or Truthless. We must stop believing in “gray areas” of an absolute, it is an antiquated, Truthless way of thinking. Unanimously, the ability to change the world is within everyone; yet, to stop the perpetuation, reiteration, or recurrence of Negativity, misinformation and the like, One must be mindful, aware, or conscious of this at all moments of such communication.

Regarding this quoted use of the word, open, “I thought a post was an ‘open’ invitation to share perspectives.” -Certainly the provocation of thought with positive intent as to facilitate One’s True enlightenment, or positive steps in the direction of such, would be a better defined purpose for any post. The word “open,” as used in this quoted statement, allows for that which is Truthless and consciously unacceptable; to attack or insult One another with Negative and malicious intent. Thus, an illustration of why we must be mindful and conscious of our thoughts, ideas and words; intent on saying what we mean, and meaning what we say.

In regards to your additional statements; as to not perpetuate misinformation:

Yes, everything, in an absolute sense, is connected; ALL is ONE, i.e. analogous to individual cells within ONE body. “Sharing matter;” it is True, we are 100% recycled and recyclable matter; yet, evermore limitless to earthly matter, a fluid composition of interchangeable atoms from every unit of space.

Unfortunately for me, in an emotional sense, it is equally as painful when considering your rephrased belief; “If it makes you feel any better - I consider myself a resource too on this physical plane.” Again, the word “resource” is only a label that masks a far more complex idea; you may be a woman but your gender does not encapsulate your being; you may have a name, but does One know all there is to know because they have heard your name? Be careful to look beyond the surface, beyond the masks and see things in their True, natural, unedited, and uninfluenced state. Although your statement may be grammatically correct, your usage is serving a duality, as to play two opposing sides.

Be wary of the constraints you manifest or accept from others; life can seemingly stop due to falsely perceive constraints.

I will need more time to address your final statement, which I have quoted here; as it is critically misinformed and important to understand the Truth; “I very much believe that ethics are a matter of personal choice - that is central to my worldview. It probably influences my definition of Indigo as well - people wiling to think through assumptions and beliefs and not take them lightly. If you are one of those people who thinks there is one truth that we all need to abide by, then we will most likely remain in conflict.”

In conscious Love, Truth and Positive Intent; thank you for your attention!

Gregg Zimmerman

Ethics [eth•ics] –plural noun

1. (used with a singular or plural verb) a system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture.
2. the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of human actions or a particular group, culture, etc.: medical ethics; Christian ethics.
3. moral principles, as of an individual: His ethics forbade betrayal of a confidence.
4. (usually used with a singular verb) that branch of philosophy dealing with values relating to human conduct, with respect to the rightness and wrongness of certain actions and to the goodness and badness of the motives and ends of such actions.

Constraint [kuhn-streynt] –noun

1. limitation or restriction.
2. repression of natural feelings and impulses: to practice constraint.
3. unnatural restraint in manner, conversation, etc.; embarrassment.
4. something that constrains.
5. the act of constraining.
6. the condition of being constrained.
7. Linguistics. a restriction on the operation of a linguistic rule or the occurrence of a linguistic construction.

[Calibas]

Animals, while they feel pain, do not suffer in the human sense of the term. They don't fear death like most people do, to them it's perfectly natural while most people think it's something sinister and cruel. I get the feeling animals remember their past lives, and know death as the illusion it truly is.

"Bad karma", or whatever reason people feel guilty about eating animals, only exists inside the person's mind. Higher consciousness is beyond shoulds and shouldn'ts, it's freedom, not limitations. That being said, a conscious person is conscious of the results of their actions and may choose not to eat meat because of this, there are many health and ecological benefits of a vegetarian diet.