is it possible to truly not have an ego mind?

[BlueDreamer]

I really think that we are all created as equal beings but can you really say that you are not a better person than someone? i was thinking about this and wanted to get your opinions on this becasue what about people who are murderers and rapists? can you really not think that you are a better person than someone who kills and commits horrible acts? i certainly would not like to think of my self as an eaual to a murderer but arent we all suppost to be equal? i think that we are created equal but we make the decision for our selves if we stay equal. i mean their are alot of people that are better at things that i am not good at like playing an instrument but it dosent make them a better person than me and i dont see myself as better than anyone else just because i can do something they cant. but thinking about it as i am better than someone who kills is different right? i consider most people as equals like myself to celebrities they arent better than i am just becasue they are famous and i am not better than them. but is it possible to not have an ego mind at all? some people do horrible things and i would not like to think of myself as equal to them but who is to decide how bad the act they have done is. can one person be less equal to another or better than someone depending on what they have done in their lives? so this is why i dont know if it is possible to not have an ego mind at all. even if it isnt like having a big ego but if you think your better than someone that is having an ego and i think that most people here would like to think of them selves as better people than killers. so what do you think? do you think not having an ego mind is possible?

[sLiPpY]

but is it possible to not have an ego mind at all?

The human body comes with a brain and a central nervous system. We often refer to this paticular layer of experience as consiousness or ego.

As we evolve and grow, sure we all shed different layers of ego...like a snake sheds it's skin. Elements relative to age and the journey of human experience, that no longer serve us.

If the ultimate point of being human were to not have the filters of the brain and central nervous system, to organize our perception and experiences in the physical realm. There'd be almost no point in breathing at all?

[Achilles, Ines.]

I really think that we are all created as equal beings but can you really say that you are not a better person than someone? i was thinking about this and wanted to get your opinions on this becasue what about people who are murderers and rapists? can you really not think that you are a better person than someone who kills and commits horrible acts? i certainly would not like to think of my self as an eaual to a murderer but arent we all suppost to be equal? i think that we are created equal but we make the decision for our selves if we stay equal. i mean their are alot of people that are better at things that i am not good at like playing an instrument but it dosent make them a better person than me and i dont see myself as better than anyone else just because i can do something they cant. but thinking about it as i am better than someone who kills is different right? i consider most people as equals like myself to celebrities they arent better than i am just becasue they are famous and i am not better than them. but is it possible to not have an ego mind at all? some people do horrible things and i would not like to think of myself as equal to them but who is to decide how bad the act they have done is. can one person be less equal to another or better than someone depending on what they have done in their lives? so this is why i dont know if it is possible to not have an ego mind at all. even if it isnt like having a big ego but if you think your better than someone that is having an ego and i think that most people here would like to think of them selves as better people than killers. so what do you think? do you think not having an ego mind is possible?

mmmhhhmm

I think to answer this question.. we should have to understand very well what is "ego", what is "mind"...

Thinking that "ego" means "self".. ur ego is urself... why you would want to get ride of it?...

Thinking that.. "ego" is feeling u are "more than others"... which I think is where ur comming from.. I mean.. what ur expressing with that concept.. then, yes, is easy to get ride of that.. just thinking... why do I compare myself with others?....

But even thinking that .. u can find that "that ego".. can work good for you..if it's like a tool of seeing ur own direction... But I wouldn't use that tool too much....

If you think ur better than a killer...

See.. killers, rapists.. are less evolved beings.. so.. ur feeling means that ur evolving...

There is a theory that sais.. (I want to call it "theory")... it sais.. we all have experienced everything... that we have been killers.. rapits... we have been killed, raped... etc And this theory sais that when u closed a cycle... u just don't need to experience that again...

Young souls.. experience those phases first... and when they closed those cycles... they don't need to kill anymore... They evolve and then live other experiences.. and so on and on..

so.. if ur not a killer that means that... ur older than a killer.. That's all..

so u don't have to... compare urself too much with others.. Just focuss on keep evolving.... Just focuss on being better than u are now and u now where u can or want to be better....

"the competition is within urself"

That way... u already got ride of that "ego mind" ur talking about...

....But.. this question is delicate.. especially here.. with all the history.. etc..

I really believe that.. it's important to.. understand things well.. as they are.. because there can be lots of missleadings...

So.. now.. what is "mind"?

mind... is something ... I would say.. behind the brain... is like an spiritual force.. that moves... our organ "brain"... It's something beautiful... and good.. so why would you like to get ride of that?

And even the brain is changing physically... We are evolving... and the half brain and the right brain is getting together.. and "in 50 years the scientists will discover now is one whole brain.. instead of two parts" (beacons of light, august 2008, posted by Imzadi)...

We have a mental body..

I mean there are thousands of things.. to talk about "ego.. mind..."

ur ego is ur protector too..

for example.. if someone wants to manipulate u.. if u have a healthy ego.. U just won't let them... You just won't do.. whatever other people want u to do...

People that want to appear to you that they are better than you...They actually feel very bad within themselves.. Really... the typical.. "popular girl"... she can appears to be .. "super wow".. but u don't have an idea on how much she is suffering inside...

when u are truly great.. u don't have the need to probe to others how great u are.. U just are.. and u don't have to...compare urself with others... U know urself and ur working on u.. That's all.

Ego.. as Vanity.. too much of that is not good for you because is a never ending story.. U would want to buy and buy and buy clothes... make ups.. etc etc etc... and people can suffer a lot.... but a lot.. with too much vanity... because is like a hole u can't never fill in and u think u can..so u keep going on that...

But vanity.. balanced.. is good.. Is good to look good, is look to feel good.. is good to dress good and to put use some make up... Is good to look pretty... or handsome.. U feel good and people go wow when looking at u.. that's good. U have joy urself and u give joy to others...

Ego as "arrogance".... I think.. sometimes is good.. Too much.. what for?...

Now.. just one last point... about the younger theory souls.. and that.. That theory make lots of sense to me... But.. we have to remember that.. we can evolve and we can de-evolve too. So.. maybe.."maybe" not all the killers i. e. are "younger souls"... there are souls who just don't get it... and don't want to get it..

U can go up, u can go down... It's ur choice... So... I believe there can be old souls.. or at least adult souls... that.... just don't want to grow.. they want to keep doing their tantrums...

One thing is very true.. when u think u are so super dupper.... U most likely don't grow... U have too much ego... and that make u go down... by default...

It's all about balance... and to love urself well.. and to compare urself with urself.. How can I be better on this on that.. better than yesterday... what can I do now....

Hope this make sense for you.

For me was a good excersice for writing some ideas...

Peace and love Bluedreamer,

Achilles, Ines.

[Achilles, Ines.]

Hey Lavella nice to see u.. (meaning we have been in different.. "threads" he he..) Hugs back to you! and peace and love.

Achilles.

[Achilles, Ines.]

Hugs Achillles...
well said

its all about balance in all things...
over ego.....under ego.....
balance it..you have it for a reason.
Let go of the labels ,,,,,how you judge yourself this minute could change

"over ego.....under ego.....
balance it..you have it for a reason".

I loved, love this!!

[h0bby1]

becasue what about people who are murderers and rapists? can you really not think that you are a better person than someone who kills and commits horrible acts? i certainly would not like to think of my self as an eaual to a murderer but arent we all suppost to be equal?

well first the murderer and the rapist and easy clichee and well still a murderer in the absolute can be a good man like i don't if someone would have killed hitler, and you know death sentance in some countries etc ... its also a murder and there are various aspect of it, but well to go into the clichee of the urban murderer the bad guy who would kill anybody around or i don't know what, but lots of murder happen without involving really a anticipation on it and can happen even without you really want to happen and most of murder or rapes happen like this on the moment well some ppl are really dangerous ok but well first they can change, and its still possible they will have regrets after doing it and concious matter, you can never kill or rape somebody without feeling something afterward like a guilty things it the basic of the emotional balance that 'don't do to other what you don't want to be done to' or the karma concept is around this too well its sometime everybody will eventually feel exept really mad/crazy ppl or under the influence of drugs alchool or chemicals, meds or in some circumstance really an human mind conditioned enougth can do anything from being stupid to murdering (mk ultra etc) and some circonstance may come up that make some bad things to happen and its somewhat a cliche to compare with some figed stereotype like a 'murderer' or 'rapist' as if it was a full time job or a lifetime vocation =)

ok secondly what you will think of those ppl remain only your personal tougth and view on things and even if lots of ppl have the same tougth of the same thing it does not make it an absolute law for the universe , it can be a collective tougth, that our countries are based on with common laws and rules of living for everybody but some other ppl can always think differently and even if it can be harmfull or scary or i don't know what its still there in the human brain and it can become more visible in some person in some period of time its not a way of thinking that you are better or not better than him, human being is really multidimentional and to get the 'goodness' of an human you always have to consider all his dimension and the context of the man that might have led him to this dimentional vector that you want to consider as better or badder than yours and even this is subjective and can be tougth differently because all what you think is good or bad is when considering the impact it will have you, or how it will impact things that have impact on you and as everything do not impact everybody in the same way, this good and bad is really subjective and cannot have any absolute meaning, and in that faculty of sorting things out as good or bad we are all equal and having our own view of the world that other ppl can eventually share or not

[BlueDreamer]

well first the murderer and the rapist and easy clichee and well still a murderer in the absolute can be a good man like i don't if someone would have killed hitler, and you know death sentance in some countries etc ... its also a murder and there are various aspect of it, but well to go into the clichee of the urban murderer the bad guy who would kill anybody around or i don't know what, but lots of murder happen without involving really a anticipation on it and can happen even without you really want to happen and most of murder or rapes happen like this on the moment well some ppl are really dangerous ok but well first they can change, and its still possible they will have regrets after doing it and concious matter, you can never kill or rape somebody without feeling something afterward like a guilty things it the basic of the emotional balance that 'don't do to other what you don't want to be done to' or the karma concept is around this too well its sometime everybody will eventually feel exept really mad/crazy ppl or under the influence of drugs alchool or chemicals, meds or in some circumstance really an human mind conditioned enougth can do anything from being stupid to murdering (mk ultra etc) and some circonstance may come up that make some bad things to happen and its somewhat a cliche to compare with some figed stereotype like a 'murderer' or 'rapist' as if it was a full time job or a lifetime vocation =)

ok secondly what you will think of those ppl remain only your personal tougth and view on things and even if lots of ppl have the same tougth of the same thing it does not make it an absolute law for the universe , it can be a collective tougth, that our countries are based on with common laws and rules of living for everybody but some other ppl can always think differently and even if it can be harmfull or scary or i don't know what its still there in the human brain and it can become more visible in some person in some period of time its not a way of thinking that you are better or not better than him, human being is really multidimentional and to get the 'goodness' of an human you always have to consider all his dimension and the context of the man that might have led him to this dimentional vector that you want to consider as better or badder than yours and even this is subjective and can be tougth differently because all what you think is good or bad is when considering the impact it will have you, or how it will impact things that have impact on you and as everything do not impact everybody in the same way, this good and bad is really subjective and cannot have any absolute meaning, and in that faculty of sorting things out as good or bad we are all equal and having our own view of the world that other ppl can eventually share or not

i really do agree with you on most of this. saying a murderer or rapist is cliche but i was just trying to give examples of something that someone wouldnt want to be considered as an eaquel too. i dont agree with calling someone as just a murder or rapist and thats what they are. i also agree that its not something like a ful time job that if you have killed you are just a murderer and thats what you are like a job. everyone has thier own opinions on what is good and what is evil. who is to say how bad a preson is based on the amount of evil they have done and how evil the act was. i was making my point that there is no way to not have any arrogance (an ego mind) at all becasue being arrogant is thinking your better than someone. i would think i was better than a person who in my own opinion commits horrible or evil acts. giving an example of someone who killed like a cerial killer but it doesnt have to be. in my opinion some one who slaughters animals for food is evil so i would think im better than them but society would think that it is normal. i just see some people here on IS try to say that they are not arrogant in any way or they dont think they are better than anyone in any way wich i was trying to prove my point that it isnt possible. thank you for your time and thoughts in responding

[BlueDreamer]

mmmhhhmm

I think to answer this question.. we should have to understand very well what is "ego", what is "mind"...

Thinking that "ego" means "self".. ur ego is urself... why you would want to get ride of it?...

Thinking that.. "ego" is feeling u are "more than others"... which I think is where ur comming from.. I mean.. what ur expressing with that concept.. then, yes, is easy to get ride of that.. just thinking... why do I compare myself with others?....

But even thinking that .. u can find that "that ego".. can work good for you..if it's like a tool of seeing ur own direction... But I wouldn't use that tool too much....

If you think ur better than a killer...

See.. killers, rapists.. are less evolved beings.. so.. ur feeling means that ur evolving...

There is a theory that sais.. (I want to call it "theory")... it sais.. we all have experienced everything... that we have been killers.. rapits... we have been killed, raped... etc And this theory sais that when u closed a cycle... u just don't need to experience that again...

Young souls.. experience those phases first... and when they closed those cycles... they don't need to kill anymore... They evolve and then live other experiences.. and so on and on..

so.. if ur not a killer that means that... ur older than a killer.. That's all..

so u don't have to... compare urself too much with others.. Just focuss on keep evolving.... Just focuss on being better than u are now and u now where u can or want to be better....

"the competition is within urself"

That way... u already got ride of that "ego mind" ur talking about...

....But.. this question is delicate.. especially here.. with all the history.. etc..

I really believe that.. it's important to.. understand things well.. as they are.. because there can be lots of missleadings...

So.. now.. what is "mind"?

mind... is something ... I would say.. behind the brain... is like an spiritual force.. that moves... our organ "brain"... It's something beautiful... and good.. so why would you like to get ride of that?

And even the brain is changing physically... We are evolving... and the half brain and the right brain is getting together.. and "in 50 years the scientists will discover now is one whole brain.. instead of two parts" (beacons of light, august 2008, posted by Imzadi)...

We have a mental body..

I mean there are thousands of things.. to talk about "ego.. mind..."

ur ego is ur protector too..

for example.. if someone wants to manipulate u.. if u have a healthy ego.. U just won't let them... You just won't do.. whatever other people want u to do...

People that want to appear to you that they are better than you...They actually feel very bad within themselves.. Really... the typical.. "popular girl"... she can appears to be .. "super wow".. but u don't have an idea on how much she is suffering inside...

when u are truly great.. u don't have the need to probe to others how great u are.. U just are.. and u don't have to...compare urself with others... U know urself and ur working on u.. That's all.

Ego.. as Vanity.. too much of that is not good for you because is a never ending story.. U would want to buy and buy and buy clothes... make ups.. etc etc etc... and people can suffer a lot.... but a lot.. with too much vanity... because is like a hole u can't never fill in and u think u can..so u keep going on that...

But vanity.. balanced.. is good.. Is good to look good, is look to feel good.. is good to dress good and to put use some make up... Is good to look pretty... or handsome.. U feel good and people go wow when looking at u.. that's good. U have joy urself and u give joy to others...

Ego as "arrogance".... I think.. sometimes is good.. Too much.. what for?...

Now.. just one last point... about the younger theory souls.. and that.. That theory make lots of sense to me... But.. we have to remember that.. we can evolve and we can de-evolve too. So.. maybe.."maybe" not all the killers i. e. are "younger souls"... there are souls who just don't get it... and don't want to get it..

U can go up, u can go down... It's ur choice... So... I believe there can be old souls.. or at least adult souls... that.... just don't want to grow.. they want to keep doing their tantrums...

One thing is very true.. when u think u are so super dupper.... U most likely don't grow... U have too much ego... and that make u go down... by default...

It's all about balance... and to love urself well.. and to compare urself with urself.. How can I be better on this on that.. better than yesterday... what can I do now....

Hope this make sense for you.

For me was a good excersice for writing some ideas...

Peace and love Bluedreamer,

Achilles, Ines.

hello Achilles. what i ment by "ego mind" was meening arrogance. some people try and say that there is a way to not be arrogant and i was trying to prove a point that it isnt possible to never think you are better than someone. we are human and we have ego. we just need to balance it better. i only gave examples of murderes and rapists becasue society in a whole would see that as someone they wouldnt want to be an equal to. i agree with hobby that you cant just label someone as bad or good or murderer or rapist like it is their job. no one can decide how good a person is becasue everyone has their own opinions on what is good and what is evil. and i do agree with you that the younger souls would be these kind of people who do these horrible things. but as you would be an older soul can you not think of your self as being better than a younger soul who does horrible things? that is my point being that it isnt possible and we just need a balance. becasue if the lesser evolved souls are younger ones who do horrible things and then the older souls who are more evolved dont do horrible things then is it possible to not think you are a little better becasue you are more evolved and you dont kill or commit acts of violence? you cant just think its ok for someone to do horrible things just becasue they are lesser evolved. so of course if you are more evolved you cant think of your self as eaqual to them so you would be then saying you are better.
well thank you for for your thoughts and time achilles love and light to you

[Soulsearcher29]

Achilles is a sweetheart but one thing I have learned about all this, if your a more advanced soul, be careful of your thoughts because it can very easily become a lesson for you. I had a friend in high school, I loved her to death but for the life of her, she could not stand up to her boyfriend(s) and the guys used her and walked all over her. She would blow off her friends and not ever see them because her boyfriend was so controlling and jealous, but he was also mean and a cheater. She didnt just have this one bad relationship, but many many of them, it was a pattern, giving other people control over her. Well, we just decided she was a loser and let her go her own way. Well, after high school I met this guy I fell for really hard, well, he treated me really good but as soon as I got into a situation where I felt totally helpless and powerless he took total advantage of it and treated me very very bad. I had to move out of the state to get away from him for over a year. So...just be careful because even though we think we could never fall into a situation because we know better...sometimes life has a way of throwing hardballs and pushing us into something we are not, but then its too late and we have pick ourselves up and put the pieces back together. I try not to look at people who have done these horrible things as being less than me....but people who have lived different lives, different upbringings, different lessons and made different choices, but they are on their own path.

[Achilles, Ines.]

hello Achilles. what i ment by "ego mind" was meening arrogance. some people try and say that there is a way to not be arrogant and i was trying to prove a point that it isnt possible to never think you are better than someone. we are human and we have ego. we just need to balance it better. i only gave examples of murderes and rapists becasue society in a whole would see that as someone they wouldnt want to be an equal to. i agree with hobby that you cant just label someone as bad or good or murderer or rapist like it is their job. no one can decide how good a person is becasue everyone has their own opinions on what is good and what is evil. and i do agree with you that the younger souls would be these kind of people who do these horrible things. but as you would be an older soul can you not think of your self as being better than a younger soul who does horrible things? that is my point being that it isnt possible and we just need a balance. becasue if the lesser evolved souls are younger ones who do horrible things and then the older souls who are more evolved dont do horrible things then is it possible to not think you are a little better becasue you are more evolved and you dont kill or commit acts of violence? you cant just think its ok for someone to do horrible things just becasue they are lesser evolved. so of course if you are more evolved you cant think of your self as eaqual to them so you would be then saying you are better.
well thank you for for your thoughts and time achilles love and light to you

Some months ago, in the city I live, it was a murder and it affected me personaly really hard, as to most of the community here. I was working in a newscast so we follow the case from the beggining until the end... And ..it was a 19 year old girl who has an special something because.. we all were so ... upset by it.... And there were groups of people looking for her... She was dissapeared for weeks. The criminal had other victims but they appear death really quick and this girl was disappeared. We didn't know if she was death already, but we have hope she wasn't..
As I said, it affected me personaly for certain reasons...
One night I felt she was shouting to me "I'm alive still and I'm trapped!" I wanted to help her... and all I could do is as a producer put more her story, and put the mother talking to the criminal... A few days after they found their body. I don't know if she really was shouting at me or.. if was my feelings and thoughts..
But well... in the newscast we always were comments about this case.. and there were some stupid journalist who just saw the story as a story... and even laugh about it. One of my best friends there shut one of them up, really well, when they were having dinner... She was personally affected by it too..
Other day... one guy asked "what u guys would do if u had the killer infront of u"... One gal said she would cut his penis... Because he also raped the victims, before killing them.. and my co-worker-friend she was nervous most of the time thinking it could happen to her.. so she said that.. because it was a threat to her femenity... u know... many women were afraid.
What I answered was: I would take a knife and go into his heart!! Because... it affected my heart, I repeat, for certain reasons.. Not that I knew her personally but she reminded me someone that I love... So yeah.. I wanted to kill him!!!!
I think I cried about it... don't remember very well.. guess I already blocked that moment.. But I remember telling my ex girlfriend about it and saying to her that I wanted to kill him.. And she was "don't even say that Achilles, don't even think about it".. and I was "but" "but..!!"... "no, don't even play with that thought".....
So.. I know what a killer is Bluedreamer.. I was one. Achilles killed many people. Not as that bastard... It was my job!! And I recall another life when I was raped as a young man, and actually I encountered that guy in this life and first he was my enemy and we used to fight a lot.. then I worked on that... spiritually, energetically, because... maybe I could stop fighting with him u know (verbally)... And in that process.. I discovered that.. who he was.. why all our problems this life and I could make peace with him and he became my friend after that, and instead of fighting and fighting we started having so much fun together and I know he's still kinda my friend, just he moved to other city.
The thing is I know what is a rapist too, I know a lot about killings and deaths and...many painful things.... And I think I know what is to close those cycles of killing. With my Warrior Spirit.. I was interested in joining the army...this life or into being a cop... I'm good with weapons.. since I was a kid... Just playing paint ball the first time, my friends were: "ur like a soldier for real!!"... But guess what... I don't belive in wars anymore.. Don't believe in killing others... so I didn't join the army nor became a cop... however... that...warrior-killer part is still inside me.. and it arised that moment with that girl.....
So.. is not that I say.. "hell yeah.. they are young souls, it's okey if they kill" I don't say or think is okey to kill.
Forgive me if I get heated.. is nothing against u... Are.. all the emotions.... telling this... and I could tell more. My Achilles life wasn't my only life as a warrior... or soldier... But as Achilles I think... I haven't forgive myself very well about Hector's death... But believe me, I learnt.
Well.. etc, etc...

So well... that theory about younger souls killing.. make sense for me.. because... well, I feel I already closed that cycles.. I already learnt about that. But yeah, I know what u and h0bby say.. that there can be tons of circunstances regarding a killing.. or a killer or whatever... And I even .. I can't promise I won't kill again... I don't want to. I have never wanted to kill just to kill.. But I mean, I understand... I understand what u guys say about it.

And yeah... rapist, killers, are examples... graphic examples..

As if I'm better than others or not... I really don't play the game to compare myself with others. I know who I am. My weaknesses, my strenghts... Where do I have to work within myself. We are always better in some things comparing to others and there are always better people than us in others... To me.. is about learning. I love to see people better than me in whatever area, I admire them and love them and I'm fascinated with their beauty... and I learnt from them.. I have always been this way... When I see the opposite... can happen many things... but at the end I learn something about them or about me, related to them.. or those circunstances..

To me.. is all about evolving, being better, but.. we never finish with that. Never. So... comparing to others ... We do it, but I don't use so much time in that. If someone for example has more money than me... Well I just need to make more money myself..if that's what I want... but what's the point on thinking too much about.. "he is better than me in that area".. Would be such a waist of time. I could ask him.. how did u do it.. can u teach me?.. but.. other than that.. what for?.

And I know I'm arrogant sometimes.. And I like that way. I'm not arrogant all the time. I know myself.

So.. at the end.. in this thread.. I think we are just agreeing in that "ego mind"... "arrogancy".. it exists and .... what the heck.. "u have it for a reason.. we just have to balance it"....

Again.. this has been a good excersice to express, writing.. certain thoughts. Thanks for that.

Peace and love,

Achilles.

[Achilles, Ines.]

Achilles is a sweetheart but one thing I have learned about all this, if your a more advanced soul, be careful of your thoughts because it can very easily become a lesson for you. I had a friend in high school, I loved her to death but for the life of her, she could not stand up to her boyfriend(s) and the guys used her and walked all over her. She would blow off her friends and not ever see them because her boyfriend was so controlling and jealous, but he was also mean and a cheater. She didnt just have this one bad relationship, but many many of them, it was a pattern, giving other people control over her. Well, we just decided she was a loser and let her go her own way. Well, after high school I met this guy I fell for really hard, well, he treated me really good but as soon as I got into a situation where I felt totally helpless and powerless he took total advantage of it and treated me very very bad. I had to move out of the state to get away from him for over a year. So...just be careful because even though we think we could never fall into a situation because we know better...sometimes life has a way of throwing hardballs and pushing us into something we are not, but then its too late and we have pick ourselves up and put the pieces back together. I try not to look at people who have done these horrible things as being less than me....but people who have lived different lives, different upbringings, different lessons and made different choices, but they are on their own path.

aww... Soulsearcher I love u. (and with all due respect, of course)

... "Achilles is a sweetheart"... made my eyes wet for a moment.

... Ye... ur so right... Not because we think we are more evolved.. doesn't mean we... have all done. Oh no.. on the contrary.... I think... sometimes we have it harder... The level of difficulty increases?... Maybe.. or maybe.. is just what u say about... "careful because now ur thoughts are more powerful?"... Humm.. yes. Ur so right. And that's the wisdom of The Universe... Doesn't matter where u are.. u can always go farther... And life make sure u know that ....Ye.... tell me about it.. Life make always sure with me.

... I always know I'm not done yet. Sometimes I'm .. aaahhh!! I should be better on this by now!!!.... But well...

I loved ur point of view. And the thing is.. I have had some problems lately... that's why I got sensitive when u said that. And I liked a lot what u said. Thank u..

lots of love to u,

Achilles.

[Naterade]

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[h0bby1]

well a thing that happened to me some years ago, well it was with a girlfriend i had for 2 or 3 years she was my neightbour and i knew his father quite well, they were divorced and she was living near me with his father and his brother.then we broke up she moved and i didn't see her for some year. then some year latter , i've been called by the police they asked me some strange question about his father and they ended by asking me i he had debt on me but i knew it was to get me think that it was a money pb but i knew it was not. then i tried to call her and my sister called his brother to know what happened but they didn't really answered as well. some month latter the police call me back and tell me they have to convoke me and ask me some question about this girl and his father. then i moved to her home and then she told me what happened and in fact his father had rapped her when she was younger and the police found some tape when doing an investigation in his brother home for another story and they just found those tape with her and there where even some with me. well i'v been explained this by a cop just after the girl told me a bit about that and then i had to be a witness in the court and there all the familly with mother gran mother her brother was not even 18 at this time you know the really sad and strange athmosphere and i add to answer some question in the room with all the familly and her and everything well it happened some years ago i can remember this as if it was yesterday =) and well now if i had to see his father again really i can't know how i would react really =) the girl told me his brother saw his father go to jail he doesn't even know why, i saw her psycholog well really a dumb ass she like 'yeah with time everything will go fine' yeah sure well really this kind of thing happen really more often that you can think and there is no good way to deal with this and its always really complex matters, and thinking that by feeling something after it has been done will change anything in it is delusional .all what you can do is do something else after it happened by it won't change anything to what happend and the guy will already be dead and the girl traumatised for at least some years if not her whole life and what ever you do after won't change it and eventually add more trauma.


another story that happened to me some week ago i was agressed with a knife by a crazy guy,well i saw him some time before he hand around here around metro station and supermarket and he hange with a girl which i like a bit she is fun and a bit in the oldschool punk spirit like always drunk and laugthing etc well i smoke a joint or two with her and we speak of this and that and she is fun =) but well each time the other guy see me to speak with her he is like really mad and loud and tell me to go away and leave her alone etc, and i heard lots of story on him like he look like rockabilly guy and he that he went to jail because a cops hit her pregnant girl with a car and he killed him, i don't know if its true, but everybody told me he is like crazy and dangerous and that he already sent somebody to hospital with a knife fight etc and he is really like an ass hole, like racist and he always insult everybody and really an asshole but one evening i was really drunk and i was smoking a joint with the girl and he came back like all agressive and told me that i was dead etc and he came back a first time and took a knife out of his pocket , a real knife like 6/7cm lame, and he told me to go away etc then i really got mad and i pushed him violently he felt on the ground and was really like still more mad and then i got away and did the circle and go and see the woman which was still there she asked if i wanted to call the police, well i said that the time they come anything can happend at least 10 time =) and then we got away and he just came back after and was really agressive with his knife and pushing me back, and i was really drunk and stoned too and i had a metal beer can in my hand and i just waited he lack attention for a sec and i just exploded it on his head and then i pushed him on the ground while he was ko and i strangled him with my leg and trying to get his knife out of him like closing it his finger and twist his arm , ppl around where like 'let ourself not getting involved there is a knife' etc well i just told them like 'yeah really don't care ' and then i managed to get the knife out of his hand and its like i was really mad and scared and i thougth for tomorow that this guy will still be mad and i really wanted to scare him for real for him not to bother me again and i put the knife in his neck, well not hard and i kept a finger on the lame for it not to go inside but i was like hey what you do there, you want to kill me is that it ? and i was like this and then i leashed him and having the knife in my hand and he was bleeding from his head where i stroke him with the beer and he was like 'you are dead you are dead' and i answered 'ok you tell me that if i do not kill you right now, when i have the knife and you are half ko and bleeding you will kill me tomorow ?' i knew he was scared at this time and i was probably looking very mad =) and well each one got to his home and well the nigth it happened when i got back home anomalia zelta was here on a chat we meet and it just happened 1 minute before =) but well we were both quite drunk and really i don't know i can imagine thousand of scenario where it could have lead to really bad things =)

and then i went to see other ppl i know around here that live here for some long time and they knew this guy and i went to ask them wtf and one guy a strong guy he is turkish , told me it already happened to him that he killed somebody when drunk in a fight that he went to jail for some years and it really broke his life and that he went to see the guy and explain him life because it can of course happen quickly and it can really lead to awfull situation that were not really wanted initially and sometime life decide things for you and what come after is not always what you wanted to happen =)

[Soulsearcher29]

aww... Soulsearcher I love u. (and with all due respect, of course)

Achilles I love you 2

... "Achilles is a sweetheart"... made my eyes wet for a moment.

... Ye... ur so right... Not because we think we are more evolved.. doesn't mean we... have all done. Oh no.. on the contrary.... I think... sometimes we have it harder... The level of difficulty increases?... Maybe.. or maybe.. is just what u say about... "careful because now ur thoughts are more powerful?"... Humm.. yes. Ur so right. And that's the wisdom of The Universe... Doesn't matter where u are.. u can always go farther... And life make sure u know that ....Ye.... tell me about it.. Life make always sure with me.

This has actually happened a few times with me. When I was younger, I would see things, like one time a lady pulling her handicapped child down a ramp as he was getting off the bus and I said, I couldnt imagine having a child with a disability, and I thought to myself, man I would be miserable if I had a child like that. I was about 15 years old, by the time I was 18 I had my first baby and he was dx'd 3 years later with severe autism. I never saw it coming or how my life would change, but I learned something from it, that these kids they teach us so much, yes it was rough, yes I grieved many many times for him...and us, but I decided that I was going to help him get through this. Today, he is 11 years old and such a wonderful, talkative, beautiful boy. Honestly though, I didnt think I would be able to take care of him for the first five years of his life...but it has gotten so much easier mainly because he has had ABA therapy, speech, structure and routine. He isnt on any meds and attends a regular school. He still has his issues from time to time, but is a fantastic kid. I cant tell you everything that I have learned from having him in my life because there is so much, so many spiritual doors have been open, mainly through my suffering, but also my will to keep looking for answers. Now I know what this mother was going through, bringing him to school everyday, attending every event, sitting in his classroom next to him helping him learn and teaching the rest of the kids compassion and understanding for him.

Thats why I say becareful because if you look down on somebody or feel like something could never happen to you...it sure can, many times in a much more harsh situation.

Another example is my sis had her first baby last year and I got onto her for smoking cigarette after cigarette, she was chain smoking like crazy and I said i know you have this addiction, but it is not healthy for the baby. She was very cocky and said, Do you know how many times I have heard that? I said, I know, but you never know what could happen, look at my son, I took care of myself right while i was pregnant, didnt smoke or anything and look...he has autism. She said straight back, MY CHILD ISNT GONNA HAVE AUTISM!!! and I said, you never know, but she just shook her head and laughed and said, just because it happened to you dont mean its going to happen to me.
Well two months later her baby got sick and his lungs didnt develop right and he died right after birth. The strange this is, it wasnt because she smoked, it was because he had a diaphramatic hernia which prevented his lungs from developing because his intestines moved up through a hole into his chest cavity where his lungs didnt have room to grow. Now, I do think that our thoughts, our arrogance, our judgements on others and their circumstances can influence the energies or higher power to teach us lessons, they are not always the exact lesson, but often very similiar. And I think it can happen with just a thought...I would never be like that, I would never do that, that will never happen to me....... I always know I'm not done yet. Sometimes I'm .. aaahhh!! I should be better on this by now!!!.... But well...

I loved ur point of view. And the thing is.. I have had some problems lately... that's why I got sensitive when u said that. And I liked a lot what u said. Thank u..

lots of love to u,

Achilles.

Awe, Thanks Achilles...try to look at it in a positive way, it really does help. Love and Light sweetie

[Achilles, Ines.]

Yes Soulsearcher... I'm doing my best to see these things in a positive way.. Trying to understand things... And to get something better, bigger from all this. Has been hard. But... well... I'm working on it... Thanks for ur support

About ur kid.. I know his great... And it's so awesome what u guys have done together... I .. truly think ur kid is a blessing. And u for him.

... ... I'm thinking more things... about how we create.. but.. I think ... I'm gonna think more... .... and then maybe talk about it...

Hugs and more love to u, thanks.

[Achilles, Ines.]

well a thing that happened to me some years ago, well it was with a girlfriend i had for 2 or 3 years she was my neightbour and i knew his father quite well, they were divorced and she was living near me with his father and his brother.then we broke up she moved and i didn't see her for some year. then some year latter , i've been called by the police they asked me some strange question about his father and they ended by asking me i he had debt on me but i knew it was to get me think that it was a money pb but i knew it was not. then i tried to call her and my sister called his brother to know what happened but they didn't really answered as well. some month latter the police call me back and tell me they have to convoke me and ask me some question about this girl and his father. then i moved to her home and then she told me what happened and in fact his father had rapped her when she was younger and the police found some tape when doing an investigation in his brother home for another story and they just found those tape with her and there where even some with me. well i'v been explained this by a cop just after the girl told me a bit about that and then i had to be a witness in the court and there all the familly with mother gran mother her brother was not even 18 at this time you know the really sad and strange athmosphere and i add to answer some question in the room with all the familly and her and everything well it happened some years ago i can remember this as if it was yesterday =) and well now if i had to see his father again really i can't know how i would react really =) the girl told me his brother saw his father go to jail he doesn't even know why, i saw her psycholog well really a dumb ass she like 'yeah with time everything will go fine' yeah sure well really this kind of thing happen really more often that you can think and there is no good way to deal with this and its always really complex matters, and thinking that by feeling something after it has been done will change anything in it is delusional .all what you can do is do something else after it happened by it won't change anything to what happend and the guy will already be dead and the girl traumatised for at least some years if not her whole life and what ever you do after won't change it and eventually add more trauma.


another story that happened to me some week ago i was agressed with a knife by a crazy guy,well i saw him some time before he hand around here around metro station and supermarket and he hange with a girl which i like a bit she is fun and a bit in the oldschool punk spirit like always drunk and laugthing etc well i smoke a joint or two with her and we speak of this and that and she is fun =) but well each time the other guy see me to speak with her he is like really mad and loud and tell me to go away and leave her alone etc, and i heard lots of story on him like he look like rockabilly guy and he that he went to jail because a cops hit her pregnant girl with a car and he killed him, i don't know if its true, but everybody told me he is like crazy and dangerous and that he already sent somebody to hospital with a knife fight etc and he is really like an ass hole, like racist and he always insult everybody and really an asshole but one evening i was really drunk and i was smoking a joint with the girl and he came back like all agressive and told me that i was dead etc and he came back a first time and took a knife out of his pocket , a real knife like 6/7cm lame, and he told me to go away etc then i really got mad and i pushed him violently he felt on the ground and was really like still more mad and then i got away and did the circle and go and see the woman which was still there she asked if i wanted to call the police, well i said that the time they come anything can happend at least 10 time =) and then we got away and he just came back after and was really agressive with his knife and pushing me back, and i was really drunk and stoned too and i had a metal beer can in my hand and i just waited he lack attention for a sec and i just exploded it on his head and then i pushed him on the ground while he was ko and i strangled him with my leg and trying to get his knife out of him like closing it his finger and twist his arm , ppl around where like 'let ourself not getting involved there is a knife' etc well i just told them like 'yeah really don't care ' and then i managed to get the knife out of his hand and its like i was really mad and scared and i thougth for tomorow that this guy will still be mad and i really wanted to scare him for real for him not to bother me again and i put the knife in his neck, well not hard and i kept a finger on the lame for it not to go inside but i was like hey what you do there, you want to kill me is that it ? and i was like this and then i leashed him and having the knife in my hand and he was bleeding from his head where i stroke him with the beer and he was like 'you are dead you are dead' and i answered 'ok you tell me that if i do not kill you right now, when i have the knife and you are half ko and bleeding you will kill me tomorow ?' i knew he was scared at this time and i was probably looking very mad =) and well each one got to his home and well the nigth it happened when i got back home anomalia zelta was here on a chat we meet and it just happened 1 minute before =) but well we were both quite drunk and really i don't know i can imagine thousand of scenario where it could have lead to really bad things =)

and then i went to see other ppl i know around here that live here for some long time and they knew this guy and i went to ask them wtf and one guy a strong guy he is turkish , told me it already happened to him that he killed somebody when drunk in a fight that he went to jail for some years and it really broke his life and that he went to see the guy and explain him life because it can of course happen quickly and it can really lead to awfull situation that were not really wanted initially and sometime life decide things for you and what come after is not always what you wanted to happen =)

I liked ur story h0bby b/c it's intense. And ... sometimes intensities are... good colours to our lifes.. That's what I think... Anyways.. u know what I thought later?...about this?... I thought that... that's when u can see when a person already closed the cycles of killing.. U really didn't wanna kill him... U were just scaring him... Defending urself and scaring him.

Same with myself... I was so upset with that... case that I was wanting to kill him!! but I'm not gonna kill him for real...If I had him infront of me.. I would take him to the authorities....

Anyways, I know.. I know... we can't "never say never".. but hopefully.. we will see more peace in the world.

Btw, take care of urself. We like to see u here u know?...

o.k. P&L