Why water cars not work

[Setadrift]

I figure I should go all out, for any of you tech minds out there, maybe you can put this to good use. We have all heard about these cars that run on water, they use electricity to break up water into H and O. We have probably even heard the stories about how these inventors have been poisoned and intimidated. I don't know enough about the whole process, but I would speculate that is Stanley, allowed nasa to study his work, and they came up with fuel cell technology from his work, that the electrolisis box is more complex then originally thought. It would also stand to reason, that the rising hydrogen could be used similar to that in a fuel cell, thus increasing the efficiency of the Electrolisis/fuel cell. Ions flowing in a given direction could create enough of a charge to be added to the original charge, possibly if deep enough system, you might even be able to get enough charge to be able to remove the input and close the circuit to run its self. If that was possible, then all the hydrogen you wanted would be available. Has anyone studied fuel cells? Is it possible to draw a current off of rising hydrogen Ions, and Oxygen Ions?

[h0bby1]

i've studies various things on engines, well just as a hobbist, there are several kind of things that are supposed to work with waters, some things with also, electromag or things, different way =) a friend of mine even made a little lab on his home with electrolysis and testing on lifters and stuff lol but well to be fixed out i think you either need and energetic study of the system, at least using conventional physic law, or getting some stuff and try it out lol

but well anyway any independant important research is more or less discouraged , and we got interested on several case of independant searcher that were always closely watched by intelligencies from different countries, and that is official stuff, like declassified story you can find on official governmental websites, and would eventually be 'financed' for their work but well financing is not only financing most of time if you see what i mean =) and anybody that would do some research on system that would potentially go against current trading interest or against law would be really strongly discouraged =) but its not the case only for technical 'research' =)

but anyway for engine like for managing transport, the way we use today with petroleum is really efficient, its easy, its reliable, its powerfull =) well the problem that arise is , well first its in limited quantity on earth to bad then well the whole processus is kinda violent, you know combustion, it make noise it stink and is eventually even unhealthy , and i don't think that as powerfull things are really needed , like 800 kilogram metallic cars to transport a 80 kilogram person, that run at 130 km/h etc etc and think the whole transport problematic should be reviewed as well as energy source implied in it =) lots of thing could really be done to make different kind of vehicule that should be able to transport ppl or goods, well they just would not be so profitable/reliable/confortable(not the seat etc but more in the use and easiness to fix and use) and would not fit in a world wide buisness model as well as petroleum =)

and well with security problematics, and all the kind of stuff you have to go througth for being allowed a vechicule to actually be sold and used on tradional road ,even for slight modification on engine or things that can be done on standard vehicule to have better performance/lower consomation, are not really legal as this =) and i guess it really cut the commercial aspect for independant researcher that would be interested in developing new transport technologies/technics =)

[Setadrift]

If you have studied it , I would suggest, if you don't already know, that nickel will give you better results in splitting the water, only out done by platinum, then again if you could afford that, then you really don't need to work I figured the first test would go some thing like this: set up normal electrolysis, and place a small tightly wound coil in the path of the rising bubbles of the hydrogen, and test the coil to see if you get any charge at all. This would test the overall concept before to start building a prototype, then again, its probably patented. but still can't you make one for your own personal use?

[h0bby1]

if you plan to use this on the road you are daydreaming lol it would involve, really a good amount of money for getting patent, description,labels and going througth different kind of administration and this process can really take years lol

[Setadrift]

Patent? Im sure it probably already is, but we are not allowed access to it. On the road, Involved? If the simple process worked, a working proto type for a car could be made in days for someone with the know how. If it was possible, it would be the better than if you won some kind of contest in which you you get free propane delivered where ever you want, when ever you want for life. Personally, If I could patent it, Id give the world free rights to use the patent as much as they want, if anything I'd set up a Donations web page they could send money to If they wanted...Thats better then a money back guarrantee Besides if I could patent It, I wouldn't be around to much longer if you get my drift.

[h0bby1]

well patent no to commercially exploit it but to actually even describe what it is, etc in a legal aspect =)

[Silverhaze]

Well I took an engineering class last summer and we made miniature (like toy sized) solar/ fuel cell propelled cars

The solar panels kept the fuel cell working so it virtually made its own gas

however the cost of the solar panel and fuel cell were outrageously expensive so the cost of a solar panel and a fuel cell big enough to power a full side car would be ridiculous

[h0bby1]

yes the current petroleum based engine in a cost/output ratio is the best =)

but well when having different things on mind that only engine output and cost, other solutions can always comes out =)

and solar panel are expansive, i don't know what make them expansive, but i think if it would really become used massively word wide, building cost would decrease from what it is now =)

[Setadrift]

Besides, some people are already using the inefficient models in their cars, they are all over th internet. I figure, you could use the loop hole that lawyers made for porn sites, your not sell it, your providing access to it. I don't know I they can stop a person if they use for their own personal use. I'm getting too far ahead of myself, Im going to see if I can find a coil some where. Even the systems they are selling today for wfc's could use the tech to increase the out put, by studing where they put the annodes and run the wires. I guess i need to test this. i was just hoping someone had already and had some answers, guess im all on my own....lol

[Setadrift]

Yes, I agree, FC's are too expensive, funny because they aren't any more complicated then the computer your typing on. There was break through in solar cells about 10 years back, but for some reason that technology isn't available either. I don't know what is going on, I watch and read everything I can about science, and technology, even if I don't understand it. There is a reacurring trend. Great Idea.. gets tested...works...disappears (promised in 10- 15 year to hit market, then never to be heard of again.)

[FreeSpeak]

I suggest removing COMBUSTION from the equation. Zero-point PRACTICAL energy lies in magnetism, sez I.

Two North Magnetic poles (or South) will repell each other. Forever. Period. Irresistable Force. Immovable object. Something's gotta give OR at least be turned away.

It's a matter of Mechanical Engineering - POSSIBLY also involving electronics.

There are magnets out there strong enough to pull your hair out.

Use some Force, Luke.

♥

[Setadrift]

I don't really believe In the whole magnetic principle of creating energy. Reason being, yes opposing forces repell on another, but forever? The answer is no, they slowly deteriorate of period of years. Second, its like saying you can run a engine off of gravity, unless there is a flux or flow, no power can be generated. To test this, glue a magnet to a board and put another suspended from a string over it, and set it into motion. It may take awhile, but it will evenually come to rest. Yes you can get power from gravity, magnetic, and radio waves, but that would be the equivilent to running your car on a flashlight battery. The reason behind it...The earth spins, and radio waves are being produced at huge costs of power. In the 1800's someone suspended a 2 ton weight from the ceiling by a piano wires, and it moved because of gravity, but wasn't enough to actually perform work. My point is people are always claiming these great inventions but their is little proof. YOUTUBE is full of them, most can be discredited instantly. I started this thread in hopes to find out if you can use simple gases rising through a liquid to produce energy, and if it was possible, would it be substantial enough to increase the electrolysis process. If you have a magnetic motor, that you have personally built, I'd be interested, and will listen, but as far as YouTube, and internet proof, I only find that as entertainment, kinda like Chris Angel, makes you think, but, who knows, whats really happening.

[h0bby1]

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