Apocatastasis

[illuminati]

know thy self and love your brother...

one that sees a brotherhood amongst stranger realize that he has no enemies.

there is no opposition in its most profound sense..

one that has no fear has no adversity that can be conquered. thus conflict is but an obstacle meant to be overcome hence nonessential..

my friends is it so cliche to state the following;

the enemy of my enemy is my friend
keep your friends close but your enemies closer
know thy enemy

do we not recognize the improtance of the bond


if we are of divine inspiration then are we really ever lost in battle with each other...

perhaps one should consider the following

if you were in heaven and by your testimony alone would your worst enemy enter into the kingdom by virtue of forgiveness or be damned to hell by virtue of atonement...

consider the notion of apocatastasis on this matter

[Quiet Knight]

This definition help me to understand the word.

Apocatastasis
Apocatastasis is the theological doctrine of the ultimate reconciliation of good and evil. It is based on the Biblical passage in 1 Corinthians 15:28, and was extensively preached in the eastern church by St. Gregory of Nyssa in the fourth century. It was formally condemned by the Synod of Constantinople in 543. There have been diverse attempts to revive the idea over the centuries.
What apocatastasis (plural apocatastases, pronounced Apo-cat-a-STAY-sis (-sees)) means:

1) Restoration, re-establishment, renovation

2) Return to a previous condition

3) (Astronomy) Return to the same apparent position, completion of a period of revolution.

To me, it basically means that all things will be be restored to what they were and what they deserve. It means we are all resurrected, but at different glories. We each will be what we were where here on earth. If we desired God and want to and did good, we will be restored to that person and glory in heaven. If we were not, then that is what we get, we get what we have done and desired here in life.

Everyone is restored to what they were and what they wanted. Good remains good, and evil remains evil still.

I find that our desires will play much in where we go. If we have not know God and Christ, and have not gone good while on Earth, why would we desire to be near him in heaven. I find hell is knowing we could of been close to God, and our actions did not take us there.

Eternal punishment or hell in my mind is living with this guilt for eternity, know we screwed up, and let our God and self down.

[justin]

Right on, bro. I have no enemies as far as I know and I plan on keeping it that way. Even military leaders usually have a deep respect for their enemy. In some cases they even love them, albiet in sort of a strange way.

Woohoo, I finally liked one of your threads illuminati. You're coming around my corner now, me thinks.

[Graceful Red]

one word comes to mind...

reconciliation...

[illuminati]

In essense justin..

it has never been my mind my heart or my soul that is against you.....
it is only the choice words used that do not pay attribute to were a mans beliefs and compassion for his brother lay.

it is just my "vibration" atuned to a chord that resonates with your "life vibration"

i have said this many times...

in the providence of god...all thing are reconciled.

QK i also agree with 99.99999999999999999999999999999999% of what you said with the following reservations

"reconciliation occurs after accepted comfort of being redeemed thru faith of and by the grace of your fathers will."

this sentence holds the essense of my belief and i am ready to die for this belief...

but because of my masonic stubbornness i will layer this several ways only to say the same...bear with me

"reconciliation occurs after accepted comfort of being redeemed thru faith of and by the grace of your fathers will."

"atonement occurs after recieving the divine comforter and divine redeemer thru belief and by reprieve from the divine principle"

salvation occurs after witnessing the holy spirit and becoming a holy messenger of such

to becontinued gtg
thru diligence

a tran

[FlamingArrow]

It's amazing how people who normally intimidate others through appearance and/or attitude are surprised to see that you hold no fear towards them. It's like an eye opener almost. I love it. I hope that each time I see that I'm teaching em a little something one way or another.

[Dabbs]

It's amazing how people who normally intimidate others through appearance and/or attitude are surprised to see that you hold no fear towards them. It's like an eye opener almost. I love it. I hope that each time I see that I'm teaching em a little something one way or another.

Try being a 5'5" female with freckles and telling a biker dude that you don't care if they always park there, they can't this time because the spot has been reserved.... lol... he looked at me, hugged me and offered a ride...

I was afraid to ask what kind.....

[Dabbs]

On a serious note...

I had an Aha moment... Thank you illuminati and QK... Been searching for that answer in the back of my mind for years!

I adore both of you.... sexy minds.... too cool..

[Aris_G.o.w.]

omg i didn't know that this word was known to english language

great word indeed with very "stable" definition nice

[Graceful Red]

Illum,

when you say "know thy self and love thy brother" can it then be understood that one must first know himself before he can possibly offer the gift of love to his brethren?

must one need to have strength within his innermost confines first...
grounded and aware of his own being...
secure and sound in both heart and mind...
sincere and adept to the fine tunes of his own divine inspiration...
before he is then afforded the understanding of such a delicate notion as truly "loving thy neighbor?"

to echo your use of cliched ideas, is it fair to say that one must first love himself before he can grow to love another?

and thereafter, when love is unmistakenly found within one's self and created abundantly amongst his brethren, is it then safe to say apocatastasis has been achieved...as we are restoring the nature of humanity back to the essence of its creation...

at the heart of God: reconciled...returned...delivered...and complete...

[sandy12]

well i dont think everybody should be friends. we should all be nice to eachother. but were all not soulmates

i think people are closer to some than to others. like your own family and close friends for example are closer to you. you can act like you want around them and share secrets and you know them


a stranger on the street i wouldnt feel comfortable.

if your sister ran up and started tickling you thats one thing. if a total stranger ran up and started tickling you, youd be concerned and question calling the police if it scared you

[FlamingArrow]

well i dont think everybody should be friends. we should all be nice to eachother. but were all not soulmates

i think people are closer to some than to others. like your own family and close friends for example are closer to you. you can act like you want around them and share secrets and you know them


a stranger on the street i wouldnt feel comfortable.

if your sister ran up and started tickling you thats one thing. if a total stranger ran up and started tickling you, youd be concerned and question calling the police if it scared you

We would be able to share secrets if everyone were more trustworthy. Can a stranger tell you to keep a secret, and you do just that? If the answer is no, that is exactly why it is the way it is. Be the change you wish to see in the world.

You don't feel comfortable with a stranger, out of fear. Fear is the source of the problems with society. Live without fear, and teach the world out of example.

[seemie08]

Be the change you wish to see in the world.

Ah, I love you so much right now! That's my favorite....I don't want to call it a cliche because I don't think enough people say it, but it's my favorite quote.



......I hope that copies right...

[sandy12]

well okay for example


a teenager girl would be uncomfortable alone with a 40 year old man and being tickled by one.


some situations are not appropriate at all. theres so much crime in the world, and harrasment,

[FlamingArrow]

well okay for example


a teenager girl would be uncomfortable alone with a 40 year old man and being tickled by one.


some situations are not appropriate at all. theres so much crime in the world, and harrasment,

why in the world would anybody tickle a random person?

[Quiet Knight]

In essense justin..

it has never been my mind my heart or my soul that is against you.....
it is only the choice words used that do not pay attribute to were a mans beliefs and compassion for his brother lay.

it is just my "vibration" atuned to a chord that resonates with your "life vibration"

i have said this many times...

in the providence of god...all thing are reconciled.

QK i also agree with 99.99999999999999999999999999999999% of what you said with the following reservations

"reconciliation occurs after accepted comfort of being redeemed thru faith of and by the grace of your fathers will."

this sentence holds the essense of my belief and i am ready to die for this belief...

but because of my masonic stubbornness i will layer this several ways only to say the same...bear with me

"reconciliation occurs after accepted comfort of being redeemed thru faith of and by the grace of your fathers will."

"atonement occurs after recieving the divine comforter and divine redeemer thru belief and by reprieve from the divine principle"

salvation occurs after witnessing the holy spirit and becoming a holy messenger of such

to becontinued gtg
thru diligence
a tran

illuminati

I agree, I did not quite go that far in my delivery. I also believe that we are alter all, all sinners and wanting before God. Even with all that we can do, it will never be enough to return to the presence of Heavenly Father. The grace of Jesus Christ fills in the measure we are unable to supply.

Christ steps in, in our behalf, after we have done all that we can. It is like in the scriptures, a debt is owned, but it cannot be paid, but Christ/a Friend pays the final debt, so the chains of prison or death have no final affect upon him or us. The laws of justice are satisfied in this way and the scales are kept in balance. The dept was owed, and Christ helps us to pay it, I could not think of a more loving sacrifice, then to give ones life to save others.

Justice demands satifaciton, and it must be kept in balance.