Free Will

[Fjoem]

Hey guys, just wondering what your thoughts on free will were.

I believe that if everybody had the free will to pursue happiness while respecting others' free will and not interfering with theirs, the world would be close to being a utopia. (eg. if there were no elite creating suffering on the world)

So imagine that nothing is going to happen in 2012, and the economy balances out and the mainstream are hunky dorey again. The only way to free the world is to spread the knowledge of the illusion.

If you saw someone crossing the road, there's a car coming about to hit them and the person doesnt see it , you'd obviously jump out and pull them to safety.

For their own well being, you would overwrite their free will as they were oblivious to the imminent danger.

So by that same principal is it not ok to force someone to research the illusion to free themselves? I realise that this 'ploy' has been used time and time again by the government to 'protect us', and to 'free the Iraqi people', but they're disregarding our free will, should we be fighting fire with fire?


Disclaimer: These may not specifically be the personal views held by Fjoem

[FlamingArrow]

How would saving someone overwrite their freewill?

[Fjoem]

How would saving someone overwrite their freewill?

Well, it was their choice to cross the road whether they could see the car coming or not, you are intervening with their decision, forcing your will on them.

[FlamingArrow]

Well, it was their choice to cross the road whether they could see the car coming or not, you are intervening with their decision, forcing your will on them.

If they knew the car was coming, they wouldn't have made the decision to cross.

[Rinnie]

If they knew the car was coming, they wouldn't have made the decision to cross.

if theyre suicudal they might have

[Fjoem]

If they knew the car was coming, they wouldn't have made the decision to cross.

Thats exactly my point, if people could see the illusion they would not choose to live under it, so does that make it ok to force our will upon them?

Heya Rinnie, long time no speak!

[FlamingArrow]

Thats exactly my point, if people could see the illusion they would not choose to live under it, so does that make it ok to force our will upon them?

Heya Rinnie, long time no speak!

Ah ok, I see where you are going with this now. It's a good example, but they are two very different situations. You can only help someone as much as they are willing to be helped. For the most part, everyone is willing to be pushed or pulled away from oncoming traffic, but not everyone is ready or willing to change their mind or open their eyes.

[Fjoem]

Ah ok, I see where you are going with this now. It's a good example, but they are two very different situations. You can only help someone as much as they are willing to be helped. For the most part, everyone is willing to be pushed or pulled away from oncoming traffic, but not everyone is ready or willing to change their mind or open their eyes.

Ye but at the same time everybody wants to free, maybe the difference is that someone crosses the road with the idea that they would be prepared to be pulled from the traffic if they were gonna get hit. But the same principal applies; 'Is it ok to go against somebody's free will in order to protect them?'.

[FlamingArrow]

Ye but at the same time everybody wants to free, maybe the difference is that someone crosses the road with the idea that they would be prepared to be pulled from the traffic if they were gonna get hit. But the same principal applies; 'Is it ok to go against somebody's free will in order to protect them?'.

Yes, but no one truly truly knows who is in need of protection, and who is really in danger? What if we're wrong? What if we just live in a computer?

Where as, in a car situation, in any case it wouldn't be a problem to step in.




lol.

[Fjoem]

Yes, but no one truly truly knows who is in need of protection, and who is really in danger? What if we're wrong? What if we just live in a computer?

Where as, in a car situation, in any case it wouldn't be a problem to step in.




lol.

Ok fine hotshot, the examples are two very different situations! But back to the original idea, is it ok to force someone to research the 'illusion', like I'm talkin Clockwork Orange style!

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[FlamingArrow]

You can't force someone to be free, they've got to find it on their own. Even if you force them into a situation which you may deem as better, they won't accept it unless they personally have had a shift in perspective, and that is not something you can make happen, only they can. That's like saying ok, we have utopia, a perfect planet, now let's throw in a bunch of unconscious humans, they'll thank us for bringing them there against their will because it's perfect. The problem is, they didn't choose it and won't know why they're doing it, or how to keep it up or even see it as perfect in their own opinion. People will do what they want to do, and it will eventually be ruined. Really, this is pretty much what happened when god put us on earth. The world is perfect right now, in this instant, but not everyone realizes it, so they move backwards. In any moment we could go, oh ok well let's drop the bullshit and start reversing the effects of what we've done. Instead we continue to move backward. When one awakens and becomes present to the moment, they start their personal process of reversing the effects they've self inflicted. Any anyone who's experienced that was never forced into it, you can't be, they had a self-realization and shift in perspective that they achieved. You can only control your own mind, not that of others.

lol Naterade put it better haha. Yes I agree, but I still think we should save them from traffic!

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[Angel in Disguise]

So eloquently put Naterade... But it still does hurt to watch, especially when one is so empathic. Almost makes ya want to rattle some cages at times, but yes you are so right

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[Angel in Disguise]

Oh and I do believe that we should spread the knowledge of illusion regardless... My job allows me to plant a seed in so many... I see 6-10 clients a day and if I can spark the interest of 1 or 2 in my day, my job is done. I like to think of it as networking, and have practiced it on every single person. I fish for something that will resonate with them, be it someone affected by cancer then I'll tell them about alternative cancer cures to peak their interest, if they complain about income tax, I tell them about how income tax is unconstitutional and refer them to the website that proves it. Anything I can get someone's interest in I give them info on it, it peaks their interest and they go home and do their own research. My clients have SO appreciated this that they tell me they look forward to the next time now because they want to know what else I've learned. Now you know about the snowball effect... I'm hoping I'm creating one, I'm hoping a lot of people are! One day ALL will see through the illusion and the world will be better than we could have ever imagined! Look forward to it

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