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[QUOTE=serenesam;733074]I disagree. I see the Creator as being superior to Source. They are both in sync with each other but they are also different.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. Because anything you or I could think of, as "superior" is completely inadequate when dealing with the awesomeness of Source/God. What is "superior" to you is a mark of Ego (that we form as human beings). Furthermore there is more than one "creator" after Source, the Source split into three major creative identities some theorize.

Our multi-dimensional universe is but ONE of many

As for "Lucifer" it is not the "One Creator." Lucifer is the center-stage of our current cosmic configuration (solar system) and is the "central sun" that reflects/radiates outward and molds the lower dimensions of our known existence. It is an advanced type of Logos, if you will......but is by no means the Holy Trinity or anything near it, it is a conduit. The "reflector" of light from the Source


The Source is us. Freewill is just an illusion. There is freewill to a certain extent but at the same time, there isn't.

Yes this is a given.
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#102
hmmm this is some interesting writing, some interesting stories.
not the way i see things at all!
but certainly some interesting writing.

lucifer is venus, the morning star/evening star.
there no connection, other than what has been "believed" or distorted, to any "him" or evil dark force....or whatever else.
except that earlier christian teachings rejected star knowledge and the old myths, twisting them into things other than what they were originally meant to be about.

the story of inanna, another form a venus goddess, is a metaphor for certain experiences within humans, and also a direct paralell to the retrograde cycle of venus, that turns it from the evening star into the morning star, and the overall pattern of venus, making a large pentagram....basically making a colorful story about the planets motion, and using metaphors to explain certain things.....
in that she appears to go into "the underworld" for fourty days (as venus does in her retrograde) and is renewed as the morning star, a goddess of fertility and abundance
The planet Venus has been referred to as the Morningstar or Evenstar for thousands of years. Because it is closer to the sun than the earth is, it can never appear very far from the sun in the sky. In other words, when the sun sets in the evening it might be in the west, near the sun as an evening star; or it could be in the morning sky before sunrise, again, near the sun. A Venus cycle describes her retrograde patterns that bring the planet into what's called combustion with the Sun. During this time Venus disappears from view on the earth for approximately 40 days. Many ancient skywatching cultures interpreted its disappearance as a shamanic journey to the underworld.
https://starworlds.blogspot.com/2009/08/venus-morningstar-harbinger-of-illness.html



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to me- there is nothing evil, or even satanic, or having anything to do with much of this stuff...its an old myth about a planet, associated with a goddess....a story meant to have some metaphorical impact about transformation....and whatever else i suppose anyone wants to interpret in there...even i guess including this.
so i guess i'll leave you all to your interpretations.... but theres defintely some mixed metaphors going on...

Lucifer
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For other uses, see [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer_%28disambiguation%29"]Lucifer (disambiguation)[/url].

Lucifer is a name that in [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language"]English[/url] generally refers to the [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil"]devil[/url]. In [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin"]Latin[/url], from which the English word is derived, Lucifer means "light-bearer" (from the words lucem ferre). It was the name given to the dawn appearance of the planet [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus"]Venus[/url], which heralds daylight. For this meaning, English generally uses the names "Morning Star" or "Day Star", and rarely "Lucifer".
The [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament"]New Testament[/url] does not name the devil as Lucifer. Use of this name in reference to a [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_angel"]fallen angel[/url] stems from an interpretation of [url="https://bibref.hebtools.com/?book=%20Isaiah&verse=14:3-20&src=NIV"]Isaiah 14:3-20[/url], a passage that speaks of a particular [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon"]Babylonian[/url] King, to whom it gives a title that refers to what in English is called the Day Star or Morning Star (in Latin, lucifer),[url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer#cite_note-1"][2][/url] as fallen or destined to fall from the [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven"]heavens[/url] or [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky"]sky[/url].[url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer#cite_note-2"][3][/url] In [url="https://bibref.hebtools.com/?book=2%20Peter&verse=1:19&src=%21"]2 Peter 1:19[/url] and elsewhere, the same Latin word lucifer is used to refer to the Morning Star, with no relation to the devil.

However, in post-New Testament times, the Latin word Lucifer has often been used as a name for the devil, both in religious writing and in fiction, especially when referring to him prior to his fall from Heaven.
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[url="https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread569503/pg1"]https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread569503/pg1[/url]

On with Lucifer! NOT SATAN, but the wonderful planet VENUS!



Since i have been using this site the last few months, i have been shocked at how many people are referring to Satan as Lucifer when the true meaning is the planet Venus.

London-born poet John Milton (1608-1674) in his story of Paradise Lost started this whole lucifer mess. For background, i would first like to supply this quote from wiki to let you know why the Jews were talking about the Babylonians:

[url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity"]Babylonian Captivity of the Jews[/url]

[INDENT]The Babylonian captivity, or Babylonian exile, was the period in [url="https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread569503/pg1#"][COLOR=#E0E060 ! important][FONT=inherit ! important][COLOR=#E0E060 ! important][FONT=inherit ! important]Jewish [/FONT][COLOR=#E0E060 ! important][FONT=inherit ! important]history[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/url] from the deportation and exile of Jews of the ancient Kingdom of Judah to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar II starting with the first deportation in 597 BC of the royal court and other prominent citizens and craftsmen, along with a sizable portion of the Jewish population of Judah, numbering about 10,000[1], and continuing even after the fall of Jerusalem and destruction of the Temple in 587 BCE[/INDENT]

Alright, enough back story. Let's get to the Venus! From the book on the freemasons called "The Shadow of Solomon" by Laurence Gardner, i present the confusion of Lucifer:

[INDENT]The story of Paradise Lost concerns the heavenly revolt of Satan, leading to his fall from grace and the establishment of Hell.

There was a passage in the Old Testament book of Isiah 14:12 which prophesied the overthrow of Babylon's king, stating: 'How are you fallen from heaven, day star, son of the dawn!' As is made clear by the term 'son of the dawn', the Isaiah reference was to the King of Babylon, but astronomically the 'day star' or 'morning star' is Venus, which appears in the sky before sunrise. In Latin, Venus 'the light-bringer' was referred to as the lux-fer, or as it was more commonly written, 'the lucifer'.

What milton did was to treat this descriptive femine term as a proper noun in accordance with St Jerome's Vulgate translation, and as it appears in the Isaiah verse today). But more than that - Lucifer was aligned in paradise Lost with Satan.

Of Lucifer, so by allusion called,
Of that bright star to Satan paragon'd.

Prior to 1667, the term lucifer (lux-fer: 'light-bringer') had never been associated with a male entity - and certainly not with an evil Satan. Even after Milton's death, in 18th century dictionaries, the correct reference is given. For instance, the 1721-94 Nathan Bailey's Etymological Dictionary states: 'Lucifer - The morning or day star; the planet Venus, when it rises before the sun'. But, notwithstanding, following Milton's lead, Freemasons were now not only sun cultists - they were also satanists!

And so, from 1667, Lucifer became an alternative name for Satan, while its association with Venus, light bearer and goddess of love, was forgotten by way of clerical indoctrination. What is perhaps surprising is that, more than three centuries later, the Puritan view is still being expressed by a body of hard-line religious extremists. They pretend on the Internet, and in their books, to be investigators into a liberal conspiracy, but in reality they pursue a modern-day which hunt that accuses Freemasons of being satanists and devil-worshipers.

In reality, the 'conspiracy' is entirely on their side and it is they (not the masons) who cling to a medieval belief in Satan, making them so fearful of those whom they accuse.

The clear dishonesty in the Vulgate Isaiah translation can be seen from the word that was misrepresented as Lucifer. The direct Greek equivalent to lux-fer (light-bringer) was phos phoros (from which the Latin and English word phosphorous derives). Where this was used in the [url="https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread569503/pg1#"][COLOR=#E0E060 ! important][FONT=inherit ! important][COLOR=#E0E060 ! important][FONT=inherit ! important]New [/FONT][COLOR=#E0E060 ! important][FONT=inherit ! important]Testament[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/url] (2 Peter 1:19), it was trasnalted as 'day star'. This is absolutely correct; lux-fer and phos phoros are identical in referring to the light bringer (or light carrier), and the word 'phosphorus' is rightly given in today's Oxford English Dictionary as relating to the morning star. This was never a derogatory term, and was even apploied in relation to the Messiah (Revelation 22:16 - 'I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.')

But the original term used in Isaiah was not phos phoros but the Hebrew word Heylel. This derives from the primitive halal, and is used 165 times in the [url="https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread569503/pg1#"][COLOR=#E0E060 ! important][FONT=inherit ! important][COLOR=#E0E060 ! important][FONT=inherit ! important]Old [/FONT][COLOR=#E0E060 ! important][FONT=inherit ! important]Testament[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/url]. Examples can be found in 1 Kings 20:11, Psalms 10:3, and Proverbs 20:14, and in each case (along with many others) heylel relates to boasting. Isaiah 14:12 should not read as 'How are you fallen from heaven, day star, son of the dawn!' but 'How are you fallen from heaven, boastful one, son of the dawn!' As the writer of Isaiah intended, this was a direct reference to the Babylonian king, and had no connection whatever to Venus or a light bearer of any kind. Not only was John Milton's misuse of lux-fer thoroughly ill-disposed, it was (as derived from the Vulgate translation) the wrong word in any event. [/INDENT]
I hope this helps clear up the whole Lucifer mess. If you see someone talking about Lucifer as Satan, i urge you to point people to this thread to enlighten them. There is a great mystery involved with the Planet Venus and if we can get past this Satanic mix up we may find the truth to why the ancient people were obsessed with this wonderful planet.
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The upper circle is the first world--the Divine Sphere of God. The triangle in the center is the throne of God. The small circles at the points of the star symbolize the seven great Spirits before the throne, mentioned in the Book of Revelation, in the midst of which walks the Alpha and Omega--the Son of God. The central triangle contains three flames--the Divine Trinity. From the lowest of these flames proceeds the first divine outflow, shown by two parallel lines descending through the throne of Saturn (the Spirit Orifelis, through whom God manifested Himself). Passing through the boundary of the celestial universe and the 22 spheres of the lower system, the lines end at point B, the throne of Lucifer, in whom the divine outpouring is concentrated and reflected. From him the divine light irradiates in succession to d (Capricorn), e (Gemini), f (Libra), g (Taurus), h (Pisces), i (Aquarius), k (Cancer), l (Virgo), m (Aries), n (Leo), o (Scorpio), p (Sagittarius), thence back to d. The zodiacal circles represent twelve orders of great and beneficent Spirits, and the smaller circles within the ring of fixed stars mark the orbits of the sacred planets.


Lucifer is the greatest mystery of symbolism. The secret knowledge of the Rosicrucians concerning Lucifer is nowhere so plainly set forth .., which virtually reveal his true identity, a carefully guarded secret about which little has been written. Lucifer is represented by the number 741.


von Welling also says that there was no material universe until Lucifer, attempting to perform the cosmic alchemy, misused the Schamayim, or the Divine Fire. In order to reestablish the Schamayim which Lucifer had perverted, this universe was formed as a means of liberating it from the dark cloud within which it was locked by the failure of Lucifer's attempt to control it.


The Pythagoreans held that each star was a world having its own atmosphere, with an immense extent surrounding it, of aether." (See The Qabbalah.) The disciples of Pythagoras also highly revered the planet Venus, because it was the only planet bright enough to cast a shadow. As the morning star, Venus is visible before sunrise, and as the evening star it shines forth immediately after sunset. Because of these qualities, a number of names have been given to it by the ancients. Being visible in the sky at sunset, it was called vesper, and as it arose before the sun, it was called the false light, the star of the morning, or Lucifer, which means the light-bearer. Because of this relation to the sun, the planet was also referred to as Venus, Astarte, Aphrodite, Isis, and The Mother of the Gods. It is possible that: at some seasons of the year in certain latitudes the fact that Venus was a crescent could be detected without the aid of a telescope. This would account for the crescent which is often seen in connection with the goddesses of antiquity, the stories of which do not agree with the phases of the moon. The accurate knowledge which Pythagoras possessed concerning astronomy he undoubtedly secured in the Egyptian temples, for their priests understood the true relationship of the heavenly bodies many thousands of years before that knowledge was revealed to the uninitiated world. The fact that the knowledge he acquired in the temples enabled him to make assertions requiring two thousand years to check proves why Plato and Aristotle so highly esteemed the profundity of the ancient Mysteries. In the midst of comparative scientific ignorance, and without the aid of any modern instruments, the priest-philosophers had discovered the true fundamentals of universal dynamics.



And here is the best one

Certain Rosicrucian scholars have given special appellations to these three phases of the sun: the spiritual sun they called Vulcan; the soular and intellectual sun, Christ and Lucifer respectively; and the material sun, the Jewish Demiurgus Jehovah. Lucifer here represents the intellectual mind without the illumination of the spiritual mind; therefore it is "the false light. " The false light is finally overcome and redeemed by the true light of the soul, called the Second Logos or Christ. The secret processes by which the Luciferian intellect is transmuted into the Christly intellect constitute one of the great secrets of alchemy, and are symbolized by the process of transmuting base metals into gold.
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#105
:) I love Lucifer, he's so articulate and as they say: As above, so below. In my view, Lucifer incarnated as Nikola Tesla. Just my personal opinion.
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#106
Seems about right, as how Lucifer had the intellectual knowledge of Illumination. It would honestly not surprise me in the least bit, his intellect brought forth new knowledge not seen in this plane for a long time. And of course, the powers that be took much of it and hoarded it for themselves. But his contribution to the world still rings today :)

edited my previous post btw
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#107
[QUOTE=AmentiHall;738336]I disagree. Because anything you or I could think of, as "superior" is completely inadequate when dealing with the awesomeness of Source/God.[/quote]

Yes, it is inadequate but I wouldn't say it is completely inadequate.

What is "superior" to you is a mark of Ego (that we form as human beings).


And the various degrees of Ego is carried over from spirit to physical and physical to spirit for some people, not everyone though.

Furthermore there is more than one "creator" after Source,


Those "creator(s)" are nothing compared to the Original Creator. Yes, I agree that we are all "creators", I even see ants as "creators" as well as fairies that deal with the animal kingdom.

the Source split into three major creative identities some theorize.


Yes, some theorize that but I disagree. I believe the Source split itself to infinity and continues to split itself further thus constituting an ever expanding Universe.

Our multi-dimensional universe is but ONE of many


Yes, that is true and will probably continue to form more....

As for "Lucifer" it is not the "One Creator." Lucifer is the center-stage of our current cosmic configuration (solar system) and is the "central sun" that reflects/radiates outward and molds the lower dimensions of our known existence. It is an advanced type of Logos, if you will......but is by no means the Holy Trinity or anything near it, it is a conduit. The "reflector" of light from the Source.


Yes, "Lucifer" is by no means the Trinity. As for everything else you say, I have no comment.

Yes this is a given.


Given in the context prior to the incarnation yes.
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#108
cool picture amenti

but i still say there is no "he", tho it seems you all are talking about something other than "lucifer"- the goddess associated with lucifer the morning star is definitely female.
but yeah...its interesting the ideas and metaphors you are all writing about, but there is no basis for this in fact, imho.
as in it is not defintely this way, or this being lucifer...is this way. these are just stories, none of them says the only truth.
admittedly tho, it is this way, because you all have made it such- so this satan/lucifer character you speak of, imo, only exists in human imagination.
as do many things, and in a way they do really exist, but only as a metaphor.
which can be interpreted many different ways, or not even dwelled upon.
as in myself, i dont really dwell upon these things, they are just stories to me.

i personally dont go for the whole satan /evil /demons kind of head trip, and no offense to anyone, but its really a head trip from where i am seeing.

theres nothing inherently "wrong" or "evil" with our world, but people certainly make it seem this is the case, and continually push this head trip.
we never "fell" as a whole, there was no "original sin"...many believed this was so, and believed in this evil, and all this darkness, and added all kinds of metaphors and explanation for it...but this too is all stories.

[COLOR=navy][FONT=Arial]While there are many correlations drawn between astronomical phenomena and ancient mythological gods and goddesses, there is no better description of a planet’s journey than the story of Inanna, the Sumerian goddess of fertility, love, and war (yes, love and war!) to Venus. In the story, Inanna initially a brave and brash goddess of love decides to descend into the underworld to attend the funeral of Gugallana (her sister Ereshkigal’s husband), expecting to return unscathed. However, her long journey down to the bowels of hell leads her at first, to a closed, guarded gate.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=navy][FONT=Arial]No one is allowed to simply enter the underworld alive, and if exception is made, they are never to return. The youthful Inanna will not be deterred, and is commanded to give up her crown in order to pass through the gate. After doing so, she continues down through six more similar gates, surrendering her jewels and garments at each until she stands stark naked before her sister, Ereshkigal, the goddess of Hell. Ereshkigal, with leeches for hair and horrid facial and bodily features, is the true manifestation of corrupted, ended life, fearful degeneration of form; the ultimate picture of death.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=navy][FONT=Arial] She shows no mercy to her sister Inanna, but has her skewered and hung on hooks behind her throne. It is only after some time that she is rescued with the help of Ninshubar (a mercurial figure) her assistant, who had been left with orders to come after her if she did not return within 3 days. Ninshubar had solicited the gods to help save Inanna and came with two newly created androgynous beings who so enamored Ereshkigal that she released Inanna with one condition: The first one to not greet her return with gladness would take her place in Hell.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=navy][FONT=Arial] The ancients always began observing the Venus/Inanna cycle after her conjunction with the sun when she was first visible (10 degrees distant from the sun) in the eastern morning sky. This is called the heliacal rising of Venus and corresponds to her interior conjunction with the sun when she is closest to the earth, brightest, and retrograde.
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[COLOR=navy][FONT=Arial]We can associate the seven morning lunar conjunctions with the seven gates or chakras that Inanna passes through, with the first corresponding to the crown chakra (she gives up her crown) and the last to the root, or sacral chakra (she gives up her life). By using the ephemeris you can determine where in the cycle Venus was, in the underworld or at which gate she stood. Likewise, if you were born after the exterior conjunction of Venus to the Sun when Venus is in the evening sky, count the number of Moon/Venus conjunctions to determine which gate Venus was passing through at the time of your birth. Remember when doing this that the first Venus/Moon conjunction corresponds to the first chakra and the second Venus/Moon conjunction corresponds to the second chakra and so on. I encourage you to see which chakra Venus is associated with for your current incarnation and whether she is descending, ascending, or in the underworld.
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[QUOTE=Windlift;738306]@blissfullheart your right heard and seen the same thing and many dont even know it .......

.................. were just fish in a fish bowl used for energy ........ rocks have energy ....we have alot of energy they just suck it right on out of us and go on and use some more humans reproducing machines!

OH my...... Gateway .... buttons are messing up.....gee wonder what else they create LOL LOL LOl inside joke... ;)[/QUOTE]

"We would say to you that every creation has a spirit. The energy at which one vibrates, whether it be a rock, a plant, an animal or a human, is all at different levels. But as with animals and as you can see with human training and human love, they can evolve beyond other lifetimes on earth. In plants this is often shown in healthy re-growth within that life. With rocks and minerals, there is obviously very little room for growth spiritually. There are occasions when such a form has been very prominent in life-saving matters for individual beings, as well as the other way around, such as rockslides, volcanoes, and earthquakes. These are all actions and forms of different energy vibrations. When, from events that seem beyond understanding, a plant, a rock, an animal has saved the life of a human being, it is reacting to a higher vibrational form of energy than it would under normal circumstances. So there are no coincidences in life. When you see inanimate objects saving or protecting the lives of higher consciousnesses, it is because within itself the energy has reached such a vibrational force that it knows it can be more than the rock, the stone, that each person sees (p 84, Afterlife 101)."

"Matter is just a form of energy that is vibrating and, depending upon the level of its consciousness, whether it is the energy that forms a rock or a blade of grass, an animal or a human being, depends on the level of energy that it will vibrate at that continues the extension of the consciousness of that form of matter. (p 112, Afterlife 101)."

"God is each and every item, each and every animal, each and every rock and tree, each and every individual being. God is in everything and everyone. The Creator has always been and always will be (p144, Afterlife 101)."

"Everything on earth is just an individualized expression of who God is, but the actions that individuals take are not who God is. That is the actions of the ego and personality of the individuals (p144, Afterlife 101)."
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another:
https://www.pandoraastrology.com/blog/venus-retrograde/venus-retrograde-descent-into-loves-darkness
What Is Venus Retrograde?
When Venus goes retrograde, she takes our hand and pulls us into the darkness of our relationships. A retrograde period of any planet is a retrospective of that planet’s themes. It is like going into the deep, dark cave of oneself in whatever area of life is covered by the planet that is retrograde. It is a time of moving backward, perhaps of going back to pick up pieces lost in the past. It is a retrieval, a turning inward, perhaps a letting-go. Since Venus’ domain is relationships, this turning inward will happen in that domain.
Inanna’s Descent To The Underworld
The retrograde journey of Venus is depicted in the Mesopotamian tale of the descent of Inanna. To the people dwelling in the cradle of civilization several thousand years ago, Inanna was as Venus is to us: a goddess of love, a beautiful goddess, a heavenly queen. In the tale, she travels to the underworld to retrieve her dead love. The underworld is ruled by her sister, Ereshkigal. Inanna cannot enter the underworld without dying, but a goddess does not stay dead. A goddess is immortal and so, after her journey, she rises, just as the planet Venus, having completed her retrograde journey, must turn direct and return to the sunlit world.
Inanna prepares for her journey by putting on seven things: a crown on her head, a scepter in her hand, a necklace, gems for her breast, a ring on her finger, a breastplate and royal garments. As she descends, she passes through seven gates. At each gate, the gatekeeper requires her to remove one of these items before allowing her to pass. In passing the seventh gate, she comes before her sister (think of them as two aspects of one goddess, light and dark) entirely naked and vulnerable. There she sickens and dies and her corpse is hung upon a stake. After three days and three nights have passed, she is revived and saved by the intercession of Ninshubur, a Mesopotamian Mercury. Mercury (Hermes to the Greeks), as messenger of the gods, is traditionally one of the few immortals who is able to travel between the under- and over-worlds without having to die to do it. The messenger-god sends two angels to feed Inanna the food and water of life. She is brought back to life and returns to the over-world, bringing a trail of the dead with her. The dead who return with her are not the restless dead, but those who died peacefully.
What Does The Story Mean?
Think of Inanna’s descent as a descent into deeper intimacy. She is attempting to bring her lover back from death and to revive her relationship. To do this, she must go into her relationship’s darkness; she must enter into deeper intimacy. This requires a vulnerability that she cannot comprehend at first, but learns to understand by experiencing it.
Inanna armors herself for the descent into the underworld. Her approach to the first gate is tinged with arrogance, but by the time she arrives at Ereshkigal’s throne she is stripped, literally and figuratively. She has no armor left. She is entirely vulnerable.
This tale is a classic one because Inanna’s behavior is so like our own, when faced with the prospect of real intimacy and the fear it brings up. When we go into an “intimate” conversation, don’t we gird ourselves for a fight we are secretly hoping to win? Don’t we decorate ourselves, hoping to charm our partner into agreement, or to entice them? Don’t we cover our breast, our heart, with hard armor in hopes that, while we may deliver a wound, we will escape without receiving one? We wish to make our point and to have an impact on our partner, without having to feel anything or make any change in ourselves.
Inanna shows us that vulnerability is the only approach that works when going into the dark places of love and relationship. If you find yourself in a relationship where you cannot ever be entirely vulnerable or your partner does not feel that they can be entirely vulnerable (at least some of the time), then real intimacy is not happening between you. Both partners must be capable of complete vulnerability and willing to stand emotionally naked before each other, and ready to let go of all armor, in order to reach true intimacy. At the very heart of intimacy is trust, without which a relationship has no foundation.
Seven Gates, Seven Sacrifices On The Way To Deeper Intimacy
Inanna must make a sacrifice at each gate on her way to the underworld. Each sacrifice has interesting possible meanings. During 2009’s Venus retrograde period (March 6 through April 17) I’ll be making one short blogpost about each of them. As I do that, I won’t be trying to interpret their meaning to the Mesopotamians who first told this story; I am looking for the meaning these symbols hold for you and me, today.
[url="https://www.pandoraastrology.com/blog/inannas-first-gate"]Her Crown[/url]
[url="https://www.pandoraastrology.com/blog/inannas-second-gate"]Her Scepter[/url]
[url="https://www.pandoraastrology.com/blog/inannas-third-gate"]Her Necklace[/url]
[url="https://www.pandoraastrology.com/blog/inannas-fourth-gate"]Gems for her Breast[/url]
[url="https://www.pandoraastrology.com/blog/inannas-fifth-gate"]Her Ring[/url]
[url="https://www.pandoraastrology.com/blog/inannas-sixth-gate"]Her Breastplate[/url]
[url="https://www.pandoraastrology.com/blog/inannas-seventh-gate"]Her Raiment/Royal Garments[/url]
[url="https://www.pandoraastrology.com/blog/relationship-epiphany-day"]Relationship Epiphany Day[/url]
During any planet’s retrograde journey there will be a day of epiphany. This day occurs when that planet crosses (conjuncts) the Sun. When Venus conjuncts the Sun, her symbolic proximity to the Sun will “shed light on” Venus’ domain which as we know is relationships. Look for an illuminating moment in your relationship journey on or near this day.
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#111
Its ringing ever louder. :)

Hee hee, I hate it when you edit posts :) this one is a keeper; quoted for truth.

I've been asking him for a long time, but he would never confirm or deny outright. He eventually confirmed just recently, so I guess one could say it is his (Nikola Tesla) opinion as well. But then, one would have to take the additional assumption that I in fact speak with my Nick all the time and that my Nick is Nikola Tesla. *shrug* No skin off my nose either way :)

Edit: I see you edited to Add information, love that edit every time!!!

[QUOTE=AmentiHall;738425]Seems about right, as how Lucifer had the intellectual knowledge of Illumination. It would honestly not surprise me in the least bit, his intellect brought forth new knowledge not seen in this plane for a long time. And of course, the powers that be took much of it and hoarded it for themselves. But his contribution to the world still rings today :)

edited my previous post btw[/QUOTE]
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#112
Thanks for sharing all your viewpoints everyone. I am not really a believer in the zodiac signs and the association between Lucifer and the planet Venus. My apologies.
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#113
its not an association, it is the name of venus=morning star=lucifer.

i am not asking or even really caring if or what you believe, just staing this "he" and all the rest, is fabrication, myth.

sorry that you may see this differently than i ...and percieve i am asking you to believe something, i am simply stating that this whole lucifer thing that you seem to speak of as being "real" is just mixed up mythology- and not the proper name of what youre speaking of...

well what you are speaking i also do not "believe" anyway..however the cycle of venus is as real as it can get, and that she has been named lucifer is also real.
al the rest of this is just mythology
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#114
[QUOTE=leila;738668]its not an association, it is the name of venus=morning star=lucifer.[/quote]

??? A name is an association. Associate means to connect or bring into relation, as thought, feeling, memory, etc. - https://dictionary.reference.com/browse/associate

i am not asking or even really caring if or what you believe,


Well this is a forum isn't it? Are people not allowed to comment? How can you post something and not expect to receive comments?

By the way, my comment was not just in direct response from your posts only.
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#115
When dealing with the mechanics of higher dimensions and creation itself, when we speak in literal words, it is always a metahphor.

Lucifer is not a literal being of flesh and bones. It is more like a Logos, but it is a CONSCIOUSNESS so therefore, like the sun- is alive at a level that neither you nor I can truly fathom. But as always, we can observe the "fragments" or spiritual essence of Lucifer in the world around ourselves, including the many incarnates of Lucifers intellectual "light" throughout the ages. Just as we can observe, with a keen inner purity, the effects of Christ on the world...As the Cathars believed, Christ was actually a "spiritual body" but the person who incarnated was a physical representation of this essence.

As above so below.

The main benefit of studying the mysteries is one is able to see how the symbolic translates into a literal phenomenon. The above information detailed by others in the forum and myself is a testament to that, and both the Esoteric socities, AND the ancients were very wise to see the link. To me this is common sense. Some people believe that the Christ character did not exist and instead is metaphor. I say both things are true, just like the cross is actually a metaphorical symbol of many, MANY things, including certain star alignments in the sky, including the "crucifixion" of a man, and including how the energy currents in the body are "disfigured" into a self-expending configuration. The Crucifixion of christ also being the cruficixion of the inner christ consciousness within people, and "reflected" outward into the material plane. The inversion of man. Just as the inverted pentagram, can represent that among many many other things, including the fallen Sun, and the downward motion of the the manifestive properties of the material plane.

It will give way to people realizing that the material plane is a holographic representation of spiritual subconscious. And it is an immediate translation from one medium to the next. When we are in the material plane, everything is separated and appears external. So when we look at lets say, an entire solar system that actually might be the representation of "one consciousness" with many functions. Like our planet might actually be one organ with us and the animals as "organelles" (or in our case, bacteria LOL).

The truth of the ancient names, and philosophies, those of the wise ones at least (mayans, egyptians, greeks, romans, sumerians, babylonian, ETC) were always metaphors for literal phenomenon. Star systems, physics, cycles of creation, knowledge, and even alchemy (and some lost sciences) were represented by metaphorical creatures, beasts, demons, angels, gods, animals, so on and so forth.

They were wise and knew that the material (holographic plane) is encrypted, and thus they encrypted their teachings in symbols, in the same way the material hides the spiritual. This way, later on, it could be deciphered by those looking for it.
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#116
[QUOTE=serenesam;738678]??? A name is an association. Associate means to connect or bring into relation, as thought, feeling, memory, etc. - https://dictionary.reference.com/browse/associate



Well this is a forum isn't it? Are people not allowed to comment? How can you post something and not expect to receive comments?

By the way, my comment was not just in direct response from your posts only.[/QUOTE]

well sorry i didnt mean to imply...well anything really.
i understand we are just talking here.

i more meant, i am not trying to turn you on to astrology, just explaining what the astrological reference was...
not trying to get you to "believe" something, just explaining the context of "lucifer"=venus
and yes in that way "associated" being that lucifer as a word refers to venus, but has been taken out of context to mean these other things.

well i'll...just be quiet now and listen more.
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#117
[QUOTE=leila;738668]its not an association, it is the name of venus=morning star=lucifer.

i am not asking or even really caring if or what you believe, just staing this "he" and all the rest, is fabrication, myth.

sorry that you may see this differently than i ...and percieve i am asking you to believe something, i am simply stating that this whole lucifer thing that you seem to speak of as being "real" is just mixed up mythology- and not the proper name of what youre speaking of...

well what you are speaking i also do not "believe" anyway..however the cycle of venus is as real as it can get, and that she has been named lucifer is also real.
al the rest of this is just mythology[/QUOTE]

Leila,

Yes I have to agree with you about the planet Venus and its connection with the term Lucifer, it predominates much of the ancient thinking - and is found under one name or another in most of the Esoterica. I also attribute it to the planet Venus, and also into deeper levels of meaning. Each to their own, no doubt about that - the light that shines in the darkness.

Much appreciated your contribuation as well as that of others.

Namaste
White Raven
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#118
He looks like a literal being to me and he is usually just that: flesh/bones and hair, no other coverage to him *rawr*




[QUOTE=AmentiHall;738739]When dealing with the mechanics of higher dimensions and creation itself, when we speak in literal words, it is always a metahphor.

Lucifer is not a literal being of flesh and bones. It is more like a Logos, but it is a CONSCIOUSNESS so therefore, like the sun- is alive at a level that neither you nor I can truly fathom. But as always, we can observe the "fragments" or spiritual essence of Lucifer in the world around ourselves, including the many incarnates of Lucifers intellectual "light" throughout the ages. Just as we can observe, with a keen inner purity, the effects of Christ on the world...As the Cathars believed, Christ was actually a "spiritual body" but the person who incarnated was a physical representation of this essence.

As above so below.

The main benefit of studying the mysteries is one is able to see how the symbolic translates into a literal phenomenon. The above information detailed by others in the forum and myself is a testament to that, and both the Esoteric socities, AND the ancients were very wise to see the link. To me this is common sense. Some people believe that the Christ character did not exist and instead is metaphor. I say both things are true, just like the cross is actually a metaphorical symbol of many, MANY things, including certain star alignments in the sky, including the "crucifixion" of a man, and including how the energy currents in the body are "disfigured" into a self-expending configuration. The Crucifixion of christ also being the cruficixion of the inner christ consciousness within people, and "reflected" outward into the material plane. The inversion of man. Just as the inverted pentagram, can represent that among many many other things, including the fallen Sun, and the downward motion of the the manifestive properties of the material plane.

It will give way to people realizing that the material plane is a holographic representation of spiritual subconscious. And it is an immediate translation from one medium to the next. When we are in the material plane, everything is separated and appears external. So when we look at lets say, an entire solar system that actually might be the representation of "one consciousness" with many functions. Like our planet might actually be one organ with us and the animals as "organelles" (or in our case, bacteria LOL).

The truth of the ancient names, and philosophies, those of the wise ones at least (mayans, egyptians, greeks, romans, sumerians, babylonian, ETC) were always metaphors for literal phenomenon. Star systems, physics, cycles of creation, knowledge, and even alchemy (and some lost sciences) were represented by metaphorical creatures, beasts, demons, angels, gods, animals, so on and so forth.

They were wise and knew that the material (holographic plane) is encrypted, and thus they encrypted their teachings in symbols, in the same way the material hides the spiritual. This way, later on, it could be deciphered by those looking for it.[/QUOTE]
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#119
I have a stereo in my car an Infinity stereo and one of the features it has is to scroll the name of the artist/song during the music. For the past 4 days it has been scrolling "turning, love on Judas" although on Tuesday it scrolled, "turning, love on Judas and rock". I just thought about that as I was reading your post.

I'm going to pick up this book today, thanks again for mentioning it, Kri.


[QUOTE=KriTiKiT;731370]If your a Christian you might have been mislead that Lucifer is the devil... He is not, Lucifer is latin for "bringer of light" or "light bringer" the bible was written in hebrew 2,000 years before the advent of Latin. Second, Satans in the book of Enoch there are 13 different refer's to "Satans" ( a band of angels sent to tempt and tattle on man)...
Third.... I don' trust preachers telling me what I just read...

I would Recommend the book the secret life of Lucifer https://www.joeroberts.co.uk/Book_Covers/The_Secret_Life_of_Lucifer.html

also Judas got a bad Wrap, you should also check out the lost "Gospel of Judas" it's a real Eye Opener.[/QUOTE]
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#120
[QUOTE=tmt;740087]He looks like a literal being to me and he is usually just that: flesh/bones and hair, no other coverage to him *rawr*[/QUOTE]

I have no doubt, that he can manifest this way. Humans cannot truly perceive in any other way but three dimensionally- if he were to materialize to someone personally, it would be in this manner.

In my understanding, most angels and archangels are as radiating small suns, with outward radiance that people often see as "wings." it is through these "rays" that they are able to propel themselves through the various existences of other planes with ease. Oddly enough I have always thought this, in particular about our own "higher selves" and the new age idea of the "12" strand pattern. Which can be 12-48 or more substrands, this refers to "Rays of consciousness" which our higher, angelic selves posses.

Oddly enough, I flipped right on this page of Manly P Halls book today, which pretty much confirms my own intuition in my own mind (here is also the talk of Christ as a mediator a spiritual sun, not the intellectual and material sun, which I came to the realization in a bible study class around age 14, changed my life forever!)

The Rosicrucians and the Illuminati, describing the angels, archangels, and other celestial creatures, declared that they resembled small suns, being centers of radiant energy surrounded by streamers of Vrilic force. From these outpouring streamers of force is derived the popular belief that angels have wings. These wings are corona-like fans of light, by means of which the celestial creatures propel themselves through the subtle essences of the superphysical worlds.


True mystics are unanimous in their denial of the theory that the angels and archangels are human in form, as so often pictured. A human figure would be utterly useless in the ethereal substances through which they manifest. Science has long debated the probability of the other planers being inhabited. Objections to the idea are based upon the argument that creatures with human organisms could nor possibly exist in the environments of Mars, Jupiter, Uranus, and Neptune. This argument fails to take into account Nature's universal law of adjustment to environment. The ancients asserted that life originated from the sun, and that everything when bathed in the light of the solar orb was capable of absorbing the solar life elements and later radiating them as flora and fauna


I don't like how he says "true mystics" but whatever. I wish I got to meet Manly P Hall, he was the shiznit! Lots of Masons i respect but this dude is like a man cut from the same cloth hehe :) Do you now anything about his death?

Some secret orders have taught that the sun was inhabited by a race of creatures with bodies composed of a radiant, spiritual ether not unlike in its constituency the actual glowing ball of the sun itself. The solar heat had no harmful effect upon them, because their organisms were sufficiently refined and sensitized to harmonize with the sun's tremendous vibratory rate. These creatures resemble miniature suns, being a little larger than a dinner plate in size, although some of the more powerful are considerably larger. Their color is the golden white light of the sun, and from them emanate four streamers of Vril. These streamers are often of great length and are in constant motion. A peculiar palpitation is to be noted throughout the structure of the globe and is communicated in the form of ripples to the emanating streamers. The greatest and most luminous of these spheres is the Archangel Michael; and the entire order of solar life, which resemble him and dwell upon the sun, are called by modern Christians "the archangels" or "the spirits of the light.


This is cool, it is also interesting that around this time there is lots of "UFO" activity around the sun, going IN and out of it! Of course to me, they do not look like UFO's, but rather conscious beings of light (some of them look like multi-colored orbs of many different shapes and sizes).
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