#2
IndigoWolf--

New Age is a dream of a better world to me. Many paths to get there and it is in constant evaluation and evolution.

I have met people that outwardly (and often) say they are "New Age" and if you are not "New Age" they want nothing to do with you. These same people have been very antisocial in their behavior and I have witnessed are so wrapped up in the idea of what they THINK it means, that they simply cannot be nice, good, loving or are not even conscious of many many things.

It is unfortunate, but I have seen it time and time again.

New Age to me means creating a vision based on the truth of living as an authentic self and bringing that idea into the real world.





[QUOTE=IndigoWolf;374]The term "New Age" seems to encompase many different things to many different people. What subjects do you feel fall under the phrase "New Age"?[/QUOTE]

#3
New Age, lands that is a label that is used and abused by many people. Anything that doesn't comform to old accepted ideas seems to fall into this label. Relegion, sees it as a threat to their status quo and well it may be in some form or the other. ROFL I often wonder what is "new " about what we are experiencing other then it is coming into more acceptance. I seem to see it as evolution in action but that is just me.

Now if the path I am following holds truth which I seem to think it does we are at the beginning of the Age of Aquarius. An age seems to last around 200,000 years so it will be a while before the full truth of this age is known. It reminds me of a song I heard called " The Dawning Of The Age of Aquarius " I think though I could have the title wrong. That line is certainly in the song.

In my belief system we as individuals are working on a triad of personality, soul, monad ( spirit ). In the Aquarian Age our personality and soul will become infused and we will begin to work from the level of consciousness labeled soul. Soul is the mediating principal between our personality and monad sometimes labeled higher self. On the plane or demension of soul consciousness there is oneness of consciousness at least as I understand it in this moment. By this we are talking about selflessness. In this state the personality takes a back seat to the greater good meaning in the decesion making process one does what is most helpful to the greatest good with no thought of self or personality. Personality has many labels, as in not self, ego, etc. depending on the language of the particular belief system one choses to follow but that is not what is important , at least to these eyes. What seems to be important is the themes that are the same in different belief systems. But here I am rambling away from the subject.

So, to these eyes,this thing labeled New Age means movement of humanity from a system of beliefs based on selfishness toward a system of beliefs based on selflessness.

Doug






[QUOTE=Electra;385]IndigoWolf--

New Age is a dream of a better world to me. Many paths to get there and it is in constant evaluation and evolution.

I have met people that outwardly (and often) say they are "New Age" and if you are not "New Age" they want nothing to do with you. These same people have been very antisocial in their behavior and I have witnessed are so wrapped up in the idea of what they THINK it means, that they simply cannot be nice, good, loving or are not even conscious of many many things.

It is unfortunate, but I have seen it time and time again.

New Age to me means creating a vision based on the truth of living as an authentic self and bringing that idea into the real world.[/QUOTE]

#4
[QUOTE=IndigoWolf;374]The term "New Age" seems to encompase many different things to many different people. What subjects do you feel fall under the phrase "New Age"?[/QUOTE]

That's a very good question! :)

For those interested, I'm going to post here what the New Age is to Lee Carroll, the channel of Kryon in America. This is from the 7th Kryon Book. I share his view.


What is the New Age?
From Lee Carroll

Many hear the words "New Age" and have a whole bunch of predetermined, market-driven perceptions of what it's all about. Some immediately think of flying saucers, cults, astrology, tarot, alien autopsies, past lives, and hordes of people lined up to go to their psychic. I won't deny that many of these things play a part in the overall picture of the New Age, because they do. But first, let me give you some other perspectives.

Please identify the belief attached to the following: Jonestown; Waco Branch Dividians; Heaven's Gate (suicide cult that, in death, went to join up with a flying saucer behind the Hale Bopp comet); and a Denver cult that is in Israel right now (5/99) waiting for the millennium change so that their leader can die in the streets of Jerusalem and come back from the dead three days later.

Strange and head-shaking stuff, huh? The belief associated with all of these? Christianity. What? That wasn't your perception? The Jonestown and the Waco group were originally followers of Christian gospel preachers. The Denver cult in Israel right now is called "Concerned Christians." The Heaven's Gate folks were not New Age, even though it was reported that they were by all the news networks and national magazines. I guess when you commit suicide in order to board an invisible flying saucer behind a comet, you automatically become New Age! The facts show that the Heaven's Gate cult was a self-professed Christian group! Their web-site said as much, and on it they quoted the Bible, and Jesus. It was available for all to see for about a week after they left.

Why tell you this? Because obviously mainstream Christianity isn't at all like these isolated, dramatic groups. Mainstream Christianity has integrity, does not promote cults, and presents a very loving invitation to join a family-oriented, love-based religion. But the kooks are indeed there - big time.

The New Age belief isn't about cults and weirdoes either, but since we also have our share - okay, more than our share - that's often the only press we receive. There is a reason why this happens, and why there isn't much resistance to this kind of reporting.

First of all, we are not evangelistic. So, if you are the skeptical person who has been asked to read this by a friend, know this: When you're finished, your friend isn't going to ask you to join anything, make a life decision, kneel down and meditate, go to a channelled meeting, get a reading, or even finish the rest of this book! They would probably just be happy if you told them that now you understand them a bit better - and love them more.

The New Age is not a religion, and there is no accompanying doctrine for you to study. It is, instead, a world philosophy. There is no central building that New Age folks have built with common contributions. In fact, there is no centralized control or headquarters of any kind. That's why we have no political clout to bring to bear against those who would ridicule us. We don't have an organization! We have no lobby in Congress.

There is no priesthood or ministerial program - no approved schools or even courses that graduate ordained New Age pastors. There are no elders or deacons, and no programs for teachers to be trained in the church. Oh, by the way, did I tell you that there is no church? That means we don't have any New Age parochial schools for children, with New Age teacher influences. We have no single person whom we call "leader," whom we can turn to for advice when things get tough. We have no sacred shaman, present or past.

There is nothing to join, nobody to follow, and no central book that explains what we believe! There are no regular meetings, no syndicated television programs, no ministries to support, and no rules to follow. Some cult, huh?
Oh yes - and there is no place to send our money.

Well, you might say, it sounds pretty wishy-washy. Yep. It did to me, too, until I realized what was happening. The New Age philosophy pulls upon an intuitive knowledge that we believe every Human alive possesses. And within this knowledge there is incredible singularity!

No matter where Jan and I travel on this globe, thousands of people come to our seminars who fully understand this "wishy-washy" philosophy as though all the centralized buildings and teachers were there! There seems to be wisdom at the cellular level that understands even some of our weirdest concepts. No matter what language is spoken, or what culture, or how many there are, the people somehow intuitively "know" what we teach. They "own" it, too. Almost item by item, our belief system has a group understanding as though it was all written down somewhere - inside.

You might say, "Okay, you just gave me a laundry list of what you are not. Then, what are you?"

We are a group of Humans with a philosophy that teaches that all of us go through life cycles. Indeed, this means past lives. We believe that there are no accidents, but rather challenges or lessons that we actually help create at some spiritual level. That means that we believe in taking responsibility for everything in our lives. A mainstream New Age believer would never join a cult, never follow a leader in a suicide, and never sit around blaming others for who they are. A New Age believer is aware that there is tremendous power within the Human Being. Self-Worth is taught, as well as how to work through fear and uncertainty. Human enablement is the key, and "intent to create positive change in our lives" is our mantra.

We believe that there are forces at work that can balance Humans using energy. We regularly use hands-on healing and energy work to balance others in order to help them heal. We pray for others, meditate for world peace, and strive toward attaining wisdom that will allow us to love one another no matter what.

Hey! What about the flying saucers? Even Shirley Maclaine talked about UFOs.

It's not a big deal. If they are there, then so be it. Following flying saucers and being abducted is not a staple of the New Age philosophy; in fact, most abductees are not New Age believers. Many of us believe that there is other life in the universe, and that there is a great chance that we even have some of their biological evolution. Pretty weird, huh? (By the way, scientists are beginning to believe that there is a good chance of "life exchange" from planet to planet through the visits from one astral body to another of comets, asteroids, and even meteors). We can't prove this any more than Christians can prove heaven and hell, or prove that the Pope is divine. I mention this as a comparison, not to pass judgment on another belief.

We believe that today's weirdness is tomorrow's science - perhaps even tomorrow's religious doctrine if someone finds out how to build a church around it. A decade ago, science said that God is dead and that there was no evidence of other life in the universe. Today (according to Newsweek magazine), science has "found" God! (page 340) There is positive evidence that life could exist, and as of this writing, astronomers have discovered 12 planets outside our solar system! Yesterday's (1980) New Age weirdness has become mainstream science (1999). We believe that there is much of our "intuitive" teaching that will be validated over time, since it is happening all around us even as I write this.

We do not pass judgment. We believe that to "love one another" means tolerance of belief. We celebrate another's miracle within their belief system. We honor the pure search for God, no matter what course it takes or what the "name is on the door" of the building. Many New Age believers attend church regularly. To be in the New Age belief does not mean that you have to throw away your love for Jesus or Elijah or any other master, either (just in case anyone told you that). We are joyful when things are in balance, and we willingly join together with anyone in any religious belief system who will pray with us for a common humanitarian goal. We don't make others "wrong." We don't tell our believers that God smiles only on us. We encourage the search for the true essence of God!

We believe in taking care of our own personal spirituality as the catalyst to changing the planet. We do not believe that our work is to change others. Each individual will decide that for him or herself. Many who briefly look into our beliefs find it difficult to grasp, since there is no structure, no rules, and no doctrine. Some have called us the "church of what's happening now," a comical critique indicating that we float a lot.

Our "floating" attribute is that there is no man-made structure around God in our belief. It's not boxed into compartments that are easily followed. We feel that Humans are empowered to make grand spiritual decisions on their own. That is not like the religions of today, where there has to be a system. By the way, Jesus taught the same thing. According to the scholars studying the Dead Sea scrolls, Jesus was called "the wicked priest" by the Jewish priests of his time. This is because He told common folks that they were empowered (all by themselves, without all the religious ceremony of the day). He told them that they could be just like Him (Sons of God). That's what the New Age believers think, too - no big buildings or restrictive doctrines - only responsibility at the cellular level for all that is.

We believed in guides and angels long before the explosion of angel shops on the planet. Our channelling (the weird part) agrees with most of the predictions of the indigenous peoples of the planet. Ten years ago, our intuitive information spoke of the weather patterns that we are seeing out our window today. For decades we have given you unsubstantiated healing techniques. Suddenly, in this last year, many of them were validated through scientific study, as reported in the November 11, 1998, issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association (see page 373).

We also have a belief in the future of humanity that is far different from Armageddon, or the doom-and-gloom predictions of Nostradamus. We believe that what you are seeing in the world today is far closer to what we told you would happen than what others have presented in their fear-based scenarios. We invite examination of all this, but not to win you over - rather, to help you understand that perhaps there is a far grander and bigger picture of God than you thought. Perhaps Humans are grander than you thought. Perhaps we are more grounded than you thought.

Do you believe in an after-life? So does 85 percent of the world's population (according to an article in Time Magazine in 1998). So do we. That means that most people on the planet believe that Humans are eternal somehow. The New Age believer thinks that, too. We also believe that an eternal being is created in the image of God, and that perhaps this means we are part of God. We also believe that Jesus taught just that - that all humanity shares the equal image of God - divine, with choice, and very eternal.

So we celebrate you! We don't care if you join us - really! We teach that there is no heaven or hell, and that when we die, we pass over to our original spiritual state. We go home. We believe that we are all family. If you read the rest of this book, you will find that that's what the channelled information is about - family.

What do we want from you? To think like us? No. We ask you for your tolerance and understanding. New Age people who group together to meet and take spiritual responsibility for themselves and practice self-worth and forgiveness are not the weird, spooky folks that are "out of touch" with reality. We are not "off the deep end" or brainwashed. We are a spiritually unstructured group of gentle people, and we don't care if you believe what we believe. We are disappointed, however, if you fear us. Is your fear coming from your heart, or from what others told you? Without doctrinal judgment, we covet your love, and in return, we will have a bond that surpasses all doctrines, yet frees us both to have our own.

Let me close this discussion with an example that millions of people around the world saw in the form of the most popular film ever made. I don't know if director James Cameron knew of the metaphor that he created in the last scene of Titanic. I just about fell off my chair in the theater when I realized what he was doing. For those of you who didn't see the movie, I won't spoil it for you - but I have to tell you, the ship sinks (sorry).

Many who saw the film remembered that the last scene had something to do with an older woman standing at the stern of a modern research ship, about to throw something off. They forgot. Instead, the last scene is a metaphysical statement that we are all eternal! It shouts to all of us that after death there is a realization that "the play is over," and even the villains are standing there next to the heroes with smiles, welcoming home the one final member of the family. The entire cast was there - young, vibrant, and applauding the last one to come back home. What a statement! What love!

Thank you, James Cameron. Your cellular intuition gave us the ultimate visualization of what the New Age is really about. It's about loving each other. It's about being spiritually equal. It's about family.

That's what we are about.

Thank you for reading this!

In Love,
Lee Carroll
https://www.kryon.org/

What is It?

#5
What is It?

Today, right now

I am LIVING IN IT.

In the past
what used to be
a confused idea,
is now a new way of being.

Moving past
EVERY SINGLE THING
that has gotten us into trouble.

Moving into
EVERY SINGLE THING
that reflects the Truth of Spirit.

Joy, Grace, Humility, Gentility
Wisdom, Peace, Gratitude, Graciousness,
Love, Happiness, Beauty, Communion,
Sharing, Equanimity, Caring, Consideration,
Health, Vitality, Energy...

OPEN HEART, SMART HEAD

A WORLD OF HOPE AND POSSIBILITIES. :)

Thank you Indigo Wolf for making me think about that!

#6
I do have to wonder, Is being part of the new-age movement, and having beliefs to match, a prerequisite to being an Indigo?

There are two doctrines I hear frequently form folks who label themselves as New-Age that still trouble me.

1. The doctrine that we chose everything that hapens to us, and then forgot that we chose. I just find that idea very unsettling. I've heard the explanantions for why a soul would choose a miserable existence, but they don't resonate as truth for me. Maybe I just see things in a different light, That is, I do believe in chance, I do believe that there are victims who by no choice of fault of their own end up in a bad place, I beleive they need our help to heal, and I believe such victims are among us. I'll digress a bit and say that such healing is to transcend being a victim and become a survivor.

2. Selflessness. I know this to be impossible for a human. the idea of giving up the self sounds as appalling to me as the judeo-christian/islamic/book-based-faith idea that God creates us with a sex drive that is always active, but is always wrong to act on except when married to a member of the opposite gender. I can't see the self and the ego as these "bad" or "dark" things. It's our ego that gives us ambition, the drive to do better. I do agree that misuse of ego leads to greed and other bad things, as misuses of the sex drive leads to rape and other bad things. But personally, I've fought for as long as i could speak for the right to say that I myself and the "me" that the Creator(s) made me, not the "me" that my parents named and tried to create.

Just my thoughts. Bracing myself -- i see a barrage of clue-by-fours coming.

#7
[QUOTE=Indigofuzzy;1296]I do have to wonder, Is being part of the new-age movement, and having beliefs to match, a prerequisite to being an Indigo?

There are two doctrines I hear frequently form folks who label themselves as New-Age that still trouble me.

1. The doctrine that we chose everything that hapens to us, and then forgot that we chose. I just find that idea very unsettling. I've heard the explanantions for why a soul would choose a miserable existence, but they don't resonate as truth for me. Maybe I just see things in a different light, That is, I do believe in chance, I do believe that there are victims who by no choice of fault of their own end up in a bad place, I beleive they need our help to heal, and I believe such victims are among us. I'll digress a bit and say that such healing is to transcend being a victim and become a survivor.

2. Selflessness. I know this to be impossible for a human. the idea of giving up the self sounds as appalling to me as the judeo-christian/islamic/book-based-faith idea that God creates us with a sex drive that is always active, but is always wrong to act on except when married to a member of the opposite gender. I can't see the self and the ego as these "bad" or "dark" things. It's our ego that gives us ambition, the drive to do better. I do agree that misuse of ego leads to greed and other bad things, as misuses of the sex drive leads to rape and other bad things. But personally, I've fought for as long as i could speak for the right to say that I myself and the "me" that the Creator(s) made me, not the "me" that my parents named and tried to create.

Just my thoughts. Bracing myself -- i see a barrage of clue-by-fours coming.[/QUOTE]

Indigo Fuzzy--

Nah, you can think what you wish, it is allowed. :)

I felt it imperative to go through the loss of self so that I could experience a Greater Me.

Never felt truly connected to others, and on my journey have experienced as a Truth that every other one is me. I do not mean this in a nice sense of human unity. I mean truly we are One, everyone is an extension of me.

I would not be telling you this as a truth, if I did not experience it first hand. But maybe that is not your experience, path or truth...how can I tell you?

The first question of issue I do not have an answer for. The truth of this has not been revealed to me. What it feels like, is we are having an experience we could not otherwise have in other dimensions.

This reality is brutal as far as I am concerned. Doing everything I can to come to peace with it and transcend it, if possible.

#8
[QUOTE=Indigofuzzy;1296]I do have to wonder, Is being part of the new-age movement, and having beliefs to match, a prerequisite to being an Indigo?

There are two doctrines I hear frequently form folks who label themselves as New-Age that still trouble me.

1. The doctrine that we chose everything that hapens to us, and then forgot that we chose. I just find that idea very unsettling. I've heard the explanantions for why a soul would choose a miserable existence, but they don't resonate as truth for me. Maybe I just see things in a different light, That is, I do believe in chance, I do believe that there are victims who by no choice of fault of their own end up in a bad place, I beleive they need our help to heal, and I believe such victims are among us. I'll digress a bit and say that such healing is to transcend being a victim and become a survivor.

2. Selflessness. I know this to be impossible for a human. the idea of giving up the self sounds as appalling to me as the judeo-christian/islamic/book-based-faith idea that God creates us with a sex drive that is always active, but is always wrong to act on except when married to a member of the opposite gender. I can't see the self and the ego as these "bad" or "dark" things. It's our ego that gives us ambition, the drive to do better. I do agree that misuse of ego leads to greed and other bad things, as misuses of the sex drive leads to rape and other bad things. But personally, I've fought for as long as i could speak for the right to say that I myself and the "me" that the Creator(s) made me, not the "me" that my parents named and tried to create.

Just my thoughts. Bracing myself -- i see a barrage of clue-by-fours coming.[/QUOTE]

Hello Indigofuzzy, it is nice to meet you. I happen to believe what you are skeptical about but that is just me. The words reap what you sow come to mind and I seem to find it easier to think in terms of energy rather then drama. So for me the energy I chose to use will return to me so if I use low vibrating energy low vibrating energy will come back and the same with high vibrating energy. The hardest part for me to grasp was the connection between the energy spent and the energy recieved. What seems to complicate that is the time between the spending and recieving. I believe in reincarnation so we could be talking about long periods before the spent energy makes its return which seems to be due to what I believe to be opportunity. In order for the spent energy to return there needs to be presented an appriate opprotunity. So three life times ago I could have been an Roman who did unkind things and "now" in this lifetime that energy has an opportunity to return. I also could have been a very kind individual and that energy finds the opportunity to return say in a lottery.

I have no idea if what is written above is of any help but it at least attempts to explain my view. My first teacher use to say do not believe a thing he said unless it resonated in my heart. Just put it to the side and possibly some day I might find it useful. He was a wise man. Yet, if it is so that we recieve back the energy that we use would that not be just? Then if the world were to believe that such a thing existed how then would the world act? Just an humble opinion which may be correct or incorrect. Much love and light to all things in all places.

Doug

Wat do u fink?

#11
Wat do u fink?

Might be getting of the subject a bit here but reading the posts, earth is a learning planet we have chosen this present carnation to evolve higher, I don't necesarily believe that it is karma but choice, earth is a planet of emotions, I have also experienced that by losing yourself you can work on your ego. Buddahs mission was 'why do human suffer and define their reality through pain'. Jesus's was about love and he suffered for our ignorance etc. I have experienced that maybe in our 1st incarnation we lost our way and and caught up in the dense matter of earth we are now learning to transend that, it is easy to lose your essense on earth because of the dense matter and we are constantly re-incarnating to find our way back home. I think that this is the only planet that you can have this emotionl/learning experience, which is why Aliens(greys that donot have this emotion)sometimes abduct humans to try to learn about emotion, YOu have to learn certain lessons before you can take the evolutionary step into higher realms we seem en mass to be taking this step now, the planet earth will always be a learning planet, it is a step in time, infinity. Some are here to teach some are here to learn most are here for both.;)
New Age to me means new learning from old teaching, remembering, awakening, moving forward.:)

#15
Dear Sacrinarious Joe, I for one love your posts, I flatter you not, would love to talk to you face to face you stimulate my brain although that is easy ( small brain)lol,:rolleyes: because I am always thirsty for more knowledge.
Where is the post you you posted in here? Have you deleted it it was :cool:
Didn't know you could do that:eek:
You donot follow the crowd and that is always admiral in my book, It shines through that you care, I am just dreading the day that you quote one of my messages, please be gentle,:o

Erm wonder if I should send this as a private message, no I will post it here for all the world to see

Much Love Angela:)

#16
Oh I just wanted to clarify my post, I didn't mean that offensively I meant it in a good way...... we are bringing back many of the forgotten and supressed spiritual aspects that were quite ingrained in our heritage... sorry was a bit worried I might have come across a bit clipped. :)

#17
Thanks Angelalouisa! ^_^

Actually, it was just a long post exploring the negative sides of the new age movements and some of the hypocracies and some of the reasons for the common assumptions that new-agers are into wacky conspiracies and this and that, as well as a deconstructionist or analytic views of certain new age practices and philosophies, such as some particular people who make it a point to tell you that they are humble or selfless or psychic or healers, and the contradictory nature of making a point out of those things. Though at the end I stated that the new age movement does has it's function, and named a few of them that I'm certain many new agers would deny because of their implications.

But then I thought about that guy(who seems to have never read an anthropology book in his life and doesn't realize that the energy expenditure involved in frequent hunting outwieghs the nutritional value of meat, among a blatant lack of a bunch of other information) who came into the vegan topic and started trying to recruit meat eaters. I didn't want to be that guy.

I posted a long response to him too, but I deleted it because I didn't feel that he was worth my energy, and though his cliche arguments annoyed me, they were not worth my rebuttal.

#20
[QUOTE=Indigofuzzy;1296]
2. Selflessness. I know this to be impossible for a human. the idea of giving up the self sounds as appalling to me as the judeo-christian/islamic/book-based-faith idea that God creates us with a sex drive that is always active, but is always wrong to act on except when married to a member of the opposite gender. I can't see the self and the ego as these "bad" or "dark" things. It's our ego that gives us ambition, the drive to do better. I do agree that misuse of ego leads to greed and other bad things, as misuses of the sex drive leads to rape and other bad things. But personally, I've fought for as long as i could speak for the right to say that I myself and the "me" that the Creator(s) made me, not the "me" that my parents named and tried to [/QUOTE]
Sorry... Just wanted to say that in no way do and biblical works, that I know of (true biblical works, no stuff written by the Church, i.e. laws) actually literally say that you cannot be gay. It doesn't say you can't have sex outside of marriage either though, but I think there tend to be consequences.

Also, as far as I know, technically, (I could be wrong) the term 'New Age' mostly refers to works that are modern renditions of ancient pagan like practices/beliefs. The reason they aren't 'pagan' is because there are very, very few examples of traditions that have survived, and the ones that say they have cannot be proved anymore. So it is more like modern Hebrew, which was made after the language died away, and no one knew how to speak it. We have guessed at times, and added our own things, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

#21
[QUOTE=God's Flaming Brother;6739]Sorry... Just wanted to say that in no way do and biblical works, that I know of (true biblical works, no stuff written by the Church, i.e. laws) actually literally say that you cannot be gay. It doesn't say you can't have sex outside of marriage either though, but I think there tend to be consequences.

Also, as far as I know, technically, (I could be wrong) the term 'New Age' mostly refers to works that are modern renditions of ancient pagan like practices/beliefs. The reason they aren't 'pagan' is because there are very, very few examples of traditions that have survived, and the ones that say they have cannot be proved anymore. So it is more like modern Hebrew, which was made after the language died away, and no one knew how to speak it. We have guessed at times, and added our own things, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.[/QUOTE]

I think hebrew has been passed down much more carefully and conscientiously than the "new age".
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